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the playing mantis wrote:no police cant do anything, cos wanky no morals lawyers will act on behalf of the scum who are rioting if the police even try to suppress them with force. they guy was shot, was by all media reports a scummy drug dealer.
look at the example of that guy who died when he was pushed over in the protests earlier this year, police arnt allowed to do there job. that case sums up what this country has become
simple solution to these tottenham rioters, if you dont like it here if f off (even though these riots are supposedly about other issues not deprivation etc)
Spot on mate.
Like I said, political correctness and ridiculous rights for people who deserve fuck all.
Policeman kicks the shit out of some scumbag who deserves everything he gets, all of a sudden he's lost his job. It's a joke. The government are weak and as a result the area where I grew up is being burnt to the ground and businesses which have been worked for are being destroyed.
Lives are being destroyed.
Please see my post on the previous page. And don't agree with playingmantis who is an idiot and has no idea what he's talking about.
I read your previous post and I disagree.
Sure the police are outnumbered, I appreciate that. If they're outnumbered, why aren't we bringing in the army to make up the numbers?
In addition, how is it that the police are standing there to hold a secure zone instead of proactively trying to stop these riots.
it's a wonder nobody has been killed, and meanwhile the government sits there doing nothing whilst this spirals out of control.
Bring in the rubber bullets and the watercannons. Oh no, we can't do that because there would be public outrage that these poor little souls have been hurt a little bit.
Fuck them.
Do you know the protocol required for enforcing martial law? Why do people think it's as easy as lifting up the phone and calling in the army?
The police aren't just standing there doing nothing. When they are outnumbered they are standing their ground otherwise they'll get overpowered. In situations when they do have enough numbers they are going in with riot gear and batons and dogs. I don't see how that's being soft-handed?
MM99 wrote:
Secondly, it's not 'human rights' preventing the police from hitting yobs that are getting mouthy. It's sheer numbers and being outnumbered that leads to the fact that the police can't break their lines by trying to attack them.
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This.
And it's been like that for years and years, 10 of them to 1 copper, playing little Police & Thieves games, both sides holding fragile truce, both in some way profiting from it. Now reality is beginning to bite. Nobody knew just how many "mindless thugs" there is all over country. Now we know.
And others, like Anarchists, have jumped on a bandwagon. There just isn't enough coppers available. Or poor firefighters. So next time they go on on strike over pay conditions do not piss all over them.
Broken Brittain Bites Back, like it or not, it's fucking happening. And it's only monday.
Prime Minister is on his way back.
Thing is mate they say nobody knew just how bad it was, but that's because the politicians are SO out of touch with certain areas.
Anyone who's been to south london in the middle of the night knows that the area is rough. Kids have got absolutely no respect these days and there is no sufficient deterrant. Kids go to court on criminal charges and get a community order.
As a result, we have a whole generation of lawless thugs and it was only a matter of time before something triggered scenes like we're seeing tonight.
Everything is benig recorded...the police will gather more than enough evidence to track down and convict all involved. Why put themselves in danger when CCTV is everywhere...these numpties smashing up shop[s and stealing are all looking at court...EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM
the playing mantis wrote:no police cant do anything, cos wanky no morals lawyers will act on behalf of the scum who are rioting if the police even try to suppress them with force. they guy was shot, was by all media reports a scummy drug dealer.
look at the example of that guy who died when he was pushed over in the protests earlier this year, police arnt allowed to do there job. that case sums up what this country has become
simple solution to these tottenham rioters, if you dont like it here if f off (even though these riots are supposedly about other issues not deprivation etc)
Spot on mate.
Like I said, political correctness and ridiculous rights for people who deserve fuck all.
Policeman kicks the shit out of some scumbag who deserves everything he gets, all of a sudden he's lost his job. It's a joke. The government are weak and as a result the area where I grew up is being burnt to the ground and businesses which have been worked for are being destroyed.
Lives are being destroyed.
Please see my post on the previous page. And don't agree with playingmantis who is an idiot and has no idea what he's talking about.
I read your previous post and I disagree.
Sure the police are outnumbered, I appreciate that. If they're outnumbered, why aren't we bringing in the army to make up the numbers?
In addition, how is it that the police are standing there to hold a secure zone instead of proactively trying to stop these riots.
it's a wonder nobody has been killed, and meanwhile the government sits there doing nothing whilst this spirals out of control.
Bring in the rubber bullets and the watercannons. Oh no, we can't do that because there would be public outrage that these poor little souls have been hurt a little bit.
Fuck them.
Do you know the protocol required for enforcing martial law? Why do people think it's as easy as lifting up the phone and calling in the army?
The police aren't just standing there doing nothing. When they are outnumbered they are standing their ground otherwise they'll get overpowered. In situations when they do have enough numbers they are going in with riot gear and batons and dogs. I don't see how that's being soft-handed?
Granted I know it's not as easy as pushing a button and the army turn up, but even as a threat it's a start. At the moment it seems the government are making out that the police are handling the situation. Clearly the situation is rapidly spiralling out of control and it's only going to get worse overnight.
Captain Fabregas wrote:
They just had the owner of the shop on the phone on Sky News, sounded like he was in tears and said "Good bye sky news......." Heart breaking stuff.
Absolutely terrible.
Honestly something has to change in the UK. This is a result of political correctness and human rights gone mad.
Sure people have rights, but these scumbags have forgone any rights and need to be punished.
Mate in what way does this have anything to do with political correctness and human rights?
Everything. Political correctness and human rights is the reason these youths think they can get away with murder because they know for a fact that the police cant touch them.
Officers are standing there while some little c**t comes into their face and shouts and swears and throws bricks and bits of wood and the copper can't do fuck all because he'll be the one who gets done for it.
They can't touch these little yobbos because they have "rights". Well I'm sorry but they forgo their rights the minute they abuse someone elses.
In the same way, "human rights" means people cant protect their property. If this was the states, half these fucking scumbags would have been blown away by now and good riddance to them. Over here, if one of them was shot you'd go down for murder.
It's fucking ridiculous.
Do you know the actual meaning of 'political correctness'? If you did you'd see you're using it in the wrong context in regards to these riots.
I don't think he is using it in the wrong context at all. It is quite clear what worthing_gooner means by the term - a culture that has been deliberately created to prevent people speaking freely about issues for fear of offending certain groups, including racial minorities. For example if I were to raise the question tonight of "why are so many young black youths involved in these crimes", I would undoubtedly be accused of racism. It is a perfectly legitimate question (because it is true) with potentially perfectly legitimate answers e.g. social deprivation. The fact is, in the current politically correct climate you are no longer even allowed to ask the question. This may not fit your text book definition of ‘political correctness’ but I dare say this is an example of what the majority of people who use the term are referring to.
SammyDroppedHisShorts wrote:Everything is benig recorded...the police will gather more than enough evidence to track down and convict all involved. Why put themselves in danger when CCTV is everywhere...these numpties smashing up shop[s and stealing are all looking at court...EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM
True but what kind of sentence will they get? Bit of community service? We don't have the deterrants in place.
the playing mantis wrote:and you do mr trainee big shot lawyer?? what uni you at then, good one i bet??? please explain where i am wrong at why i dont know what im talking about.
I don't see how the place where i get my education from has got anything to do with this?
But your lack of understanding regarding the g7 protests where an old man was pushed over just sums up you that you have no clue what you're talking about.
Also laughing at your 'if you dont like it here f off' line. Seen that same line spouted by the extreme right...
SammyDroppedHisShorts wrote:Everything is benig recorded...the police will gather more than enough evidence to track down and convict all involved. Why put themselves in danger when CCTV is everywhere...these numpties smashing up shop[s and stealing are all looking at court...EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM
True but what kind of sentence will they get? Bit of community service? We don't have the deterrants in place.
A one week suspended sentence will steer them clear of future crimes for sure.
ThomasMitchell wrote:
I don't think he is using it in the wrong context at all. It is quite clear what worthing_gooner means by the term - a culture that has been deliberately created to prevent people speaking freely about issues for fear of offending certain groups, including racial minorities. For example if I were to raise the question tonight of "why are so many young black youths involved in these crimes", I would undoubtedly be accused of racism. It is a perfectly legitimate question (because it is true) with potentially perfectly legitimate answers e.g. social deprivation. The fact is, in the current politically correct climate you are no longer even allowed to ask the question. This may not fit your text book definition of ‘political correctness’ but I dare say this is an example of what the majority of people who use the term are referring to.
No, that wouldn't be a bad qustion to ask and you wouldn't be accused of racism at all.
worthinggooner seemed to imply that it was political correctness tht was stopping the police from acting with full force. If you look at the action that the police have already taken then they cannot be used of just standing back and letting the rioters run loose. The times when they have had to sit back it has been because of practicality and NOT because they were scared to hit a black lad.
There is no respect for the Police some of it brought on themselves I agree - they have suffered cuts and losing front line coppers is no good for everyone.
Paramedics and Nhs staff are attacked and beaten a matter of time before one is killed.
Fire crews needing police escorts to attend some areas, I know of two instances in South Wales where two firefighters have been shot at, others had bricks thrown at them, spat at, assaulted etc - not one prosecution though.
ThomasMitchell wrote:
I don't think he is using it in the wrong context at all. It is quite clear what worthing_gooner means by the term - a culture that has been deliberately created to prevent people speaking freely about issues for fear of offending certain groups, including racial minorities. For example if I were to raise the question tonight of "why are so many young black youths involved in these crimes", I would undoubtedly be accused of racism. It is a perfectly legitimate question (because it is true) with potentially perfectly legitimate answers e.g. social deprivation. The fact is, in the current politically correct climate you are no longer even allowed to ask the question. This may not fit your text book definition of ‘political correctness’ but I dare say this is an example of what the majority of people who use the term are referring to.
No, that wouldn't be a bad qustion to ask and you wouldn't be accused of racism at all.
worthinggooner seemed to imply that it was political correctness tht was stopping the police from acting with full force. If you look at the action that the police have already taken then they cannot be used of just standing back and letting the rioters run loose. The times when they have had to sit back it has been because of practicality and NOT because they were scared to hit a black lad.
What I'm trying to explain is that it's political correctness, in my opinion, which has led to the whole youth culture now, where you're right we can't question black youths who cause trouble in case of being accused of racism. Parents arent allowed to hit their kids to discipline them. Teachers are barely allowed to shout at kids anymore for fear of losing their jobs.
That whole fear culture has led to youths of today becoming completely disrespectful, with no regard for other people, the law or society.
In the meantime, the government has completely lost touch, preaching that these multicultural communities are all peaceful and integrated. Nothing could be further from the truth IMO.
it matters where you get your eduation cos you decide to call me an idiot and claim that i am wrong and know nothing. i went to LSE, and moduled as my altervative in law in my first year alongside my IR major where are you pal????.that should also blow your far right comment out the water i would hope. i dont want to get personal or make an enemy on some crappy forum, but you shouldnt make comments like that.
the sentiments re f off are true. although this case isnt the right eample, as this isnt people complaining about whats going on here it scummy criminals taking advantage of the situation.
my lack of understanding of the g7 protests? an old man was pushed over for not doing what the police told him to do??? how can you argue with that. it was widely reported he didnt adhere to what the police said, plus he was hardly an old man, 60's wasnt he? he was pushed over. hardly excessive force, not the polices fault what happened after.
the polices hands ae tired. in most other countries water cannons and tear gas would be brought in.
re sharia law, it has some good points in it re the treating of criminals, as long as proven beyond doubt as guilty.
ThomasMitchell wrote:
I don't think he is using it in the wrong context at all. It is quite clear what worthing_gooner means by the term - a culture that has been deliberately created to prevent people speaking freely about issues for fear of offending certain groups, including racial minorities. For example if I were to raise the question tonight of "why are so many young black youths involved in these crimes", I would undoubtedly be accused of racism. It is a perfectly legitimate question (because it is true) with potentially perfectly legitimate answers e.g. social deprivation. The fact is, in the current politically correct climate you are no longer even allowed to ask the question. This may not fit your text book definition of ‘political correctness’ but I dare say this is an example of what the majority of people who use the term are referring to.
No, that wouldn't be a bad qustion to ask and you wouldn't be accused of racism at all.
worthinggooner seemed to imply that it was political correctness tht was stopping the police from acting with full force. If you look at the action that the police have already taken then they cannot be used of just standing back and letting the rioters run loose. The times when they have had to sit back it has been because of practicality and NOT because they were scared to hit a black lad.
But the point is you would not accuse me of racism because you are a reasonable, intelligent person. But many, many others would do so and therein lies part of the problem. A problem that results in people being frightened to speak their mind.
