Swansea match

[Irish Gooner]

Ramsey will be great, just needs time - he carried wales last week and was MOTM against England

just needs time,

What sort of time?

He's been shit 6 games in a row now for us. The only time he needs is a spell on the substitutes bench.

I couldnt careless who comes in, the Coquelin lad might actually tackle and pass a ball!

May seem a tad harsh, but I dont remember all this "he needs time" stuff for Eduardo, and he was a better player?

[Irish Gooner]

Mate if we dropped our off form players right now about 3 players would start the next game.

Ramsey it appears to me has been promised a run of consecutive games in the team no matter what.

Rightly so as he'll need at least 10 to peak.

I said earlier about him, out of all the players, he is the most that looks like he wants to play the fucking game. He needs more support and players with a similar attitude to see results.

I understand your point, and truth be told despite 5 new signings there is not a whole lot challenging Ramsey for his place in the side.

But if his form doesnt pick up by say mid October he really should be dropped in place of someone.

The whole form thing I agree we have nobody with any sort of frm bar the keeper, but we all remember in recent years Diaby, Song and Denilson amongst others having a free pass in the side and playing continually despite how bad they are.

[QuartzGooner]

Players often take a long while to get fully sharp and strong after a serious leg break.
Maybe give Ramsey another three months as a starter, but sub him regularly about 60-70 minutes if he is playing poorly.
Benayoun, Gervinho, Arshavin can all be players who replace him in a creative midfield role.
Use Ramsey as a sub from then on if he is still struggling, until he regains good form.
He is a good passer of the ball and makes interesting runs off the ball, well worth persevering with in an advanced midfield role.

[Rosie_titters]

Ramsey will be great, just needs time - he carried wales last week and was MOTM against England

just needs time,

What sort of time?

He's been shit 6 games in a row now for us. The only time he needs is a spell on the substitutes bench.

I couldnt careless who comes in, the Coquelin lad might actually tackle and pass a ball!

May seem a tad harsh, but I dont remember all this "he needs time" stuff for Eduardo, and he was a better player?

i was think one or two seasons, not just 6 games

[TeeCee]

Ramsey needs to go on loan to a decent club who will play him week in week out. He does have potential but because our first team is so weak we cannot afford to carry him for several months to see how he turns out!
Todays performance was dire, against one of the 'easier' teams to beat this season.
I just don't get this 4-3-3 tappy tap football. It is totally ineffective, against almost all teams. Walcott and Arsh are totally nullified playing out 'wide', and our central midfielders just don't support the attack....apart from Rambo who unfortunately isn't playing that well.
There are zero tactics to Arsenal's game. Whoever we're playing it's the same. Any substitutions are always like for like or if we're struggling, throw on a striker. We never seem to worry about the oppositions strengths, we never seem to know how to stop them, at any time. We just rely on a goal coming after 50 passes. To top it all I was in the West stand upper today and I had a girl next to me who came in with a huge hot dog and drink, after 15 mins she had finally finished and got her blackberry out to play with, watched the game for 5 mins then got some fruit out to eat, watched the game for ten mins then the blackberry came out again. Half time and her and her boyfriend were up straight away and off to the kiosks......came back after the second half had kicked off and she had a big box of food again and another drink. 15 mins later she got the programme out of her bag. FFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
5 or 6 mins from the end of the game I seriously thought there was a fire at the back of the stand, I've never seen so many people try to get out of the stadium so quickly, before the end. You can take your upper tier and stick it right up your Arsenal, I won't be buying another ticket up there this season, a shit game, shit atmosphere apart from the Jack Army and a bunch of fucking numpties in the seats. Mind you one guy had a bit of passion, he dared to criticise Theo after yet another bungled run.....cue three or four pricks jumping up telling him to shut up and a fight nearly starting.....almost got exciting for a while!
'Our season starts here' they said. Well Arsenal, in all honesty you can keep your season, I don't think I'll be buying many more tickets.
Wenger out!!

[Irish Gooner]

Ramsey will be great, just needs time - he carried wales last week and was MOTM against England

just needs time,

What sort of time?

He's been shit 6 games in a row now for us. The only time he needs is a spell on the substitutes bench.

I couldnt careless who comes in, the Coquelin lad might actually tackle and pass a ball!

May seem a tad harsh, but I dont remember all this "he needs time" stuff for Eduardo, and he was a better player?

i was think one or two seasons, not just 6 games

Judging on our last games, we will be in midtable unless something drastic changes with this side.

Next week we have Blackburn. Despite the fact they've lost 3 from 3 so far and are a piss poor side, I really can see us losing that game. Its worrying.

[Rosie_titters]

I had a girl next to me who came in with a huge hot dog


surely that was worth the admission fee alone, a girl eating a hot dog [/i]

[bradders]

Why do we keep playing Theo fucking Walcott? He is totally fucking shite and would struggle to get in Southamptons first eleven so why is he in ours?

I still think Wenger has lost the dressing room and most of the board It's only a matter of time before silent Stan tells him to fuck off back to France.... Let's hope he takes Theo with him..

[Yankee_Gooner_Dandee]

the problem (well one of them) is the complete lack of pace when attacking. Its like they just want to play as if they are playing in training. everyone walks around, mostly backwards, and there is rarely ever a player busting ass to make a forward through-ball type run. Thats why Walcott needs to be played up front, with Arshavin behind him and RVP on the right like he plays for the Dutch.


wenger is fucking blind as a bat

[psychoangus]

I hear the argument for sticking Walcott up front instead on the wing, but surely only in a 4-4-2 with someone else to help him out?

Up front in a 4-3-3? On his own? I think most Premiership centreback pairings would pocket him all day long, but I could be wrong.

[Number 5]

Mate if we dropped our off form players right now about 3 players would start the next game.

Ramsey it appears to me has been promised a run of consecutive games in the team no matter what.

Rightly so as he'll need at least 10 to peak.

I said earlier about him, out of all the players, he is the most that looks like he wants to play the fucking game. He needs more support and players with a similar attitude to see results.

I understand your point, and truth be told despite 5 new signings there is not a whole lot challenging Ramsey for his place in the side.

But if his form doesnt pick up by say mid October he really should be dropped in place of someone.

The whole form thing I agree we have nobody with any sort of frm bar the keeper, but we all remember in recent years Diaby, Song and Denilson amongst others having a free pass in the side and playing continually despite how bad they are.

Yeah I agree with that. I think what would help him most would be having Wilshere back.

A player with similar ideas, a quick brain and who wants to take the game by the scruff of it's neck. Get the ball moving and play. Not hide out on the wing or drift around the middle.

Right now we really are playing some dire football and that is right across the team. No way is Ramsey being carried at the moment as some are suggesting, they are all as shit as each other.

We don't have someone with the ability/balls to make things happen. I think a lot of people thought that would be Ramsey and perhaps that is why they are down on him.

But no way is he ready or can he at the moment. Possible ever if the rest of the side don't improve too.

[worthing_gooner]

Thing with Ramsey is hes still young and is still finding his feet after such a long time out. For that reason, he shouldn't be playing week in week out. Before his injury he was never a starting XI player week in week out. He'd just forced his way into the side after great performances over christmas against Pompey and later against West Ham in the FA Cup, and Stoke was one of his first starts for us.

So for him to come back and be a first XI player every single week, often carrying a weak midfield, is too much to expect of the lad IMO.

He needs to go back to the bench, and bring him back into the team gradually. It's too soon to expect so much of him. I still think he'll be a great player but I echo what others have said, he shouldn't yet be in the starting line up every week. Not his fault though and I wont get on his back about it.

[Watson]

Ramsey as I recall was looking classy before the injury. I really remember feeling how the impending Fabregas transfer would be cushioned if his development continued in that way. He'll get there just needs a few more games. Still baffled that we've loaned out Lansbury. I think he should of been given a chance and is easily premiership quality.

[Supagoon]

Ramsey was GREAT before the leg break, he looked like he was going to push on like Wilshere did a year later.

Thats why i am very resistant to lay into him. He isn't in the same pool as diaby and denilson.

Yes he shouldn't be starting but we are 'a little short' at the moment.

The way his leg was broken will affect him for a while yet, i can only imagine, what it must be like, so please bare with him.

[TeeCee]

surely that was worth the admission fee alone, a girl eating a hot dog

You didn't see the girl mate, it wasn't pretty.....and I mean both the way she ate and the way she looked!!


Wenger should sit every one of our players down and make them watch DVD's of how Man Utd have played this season! Awesome, fast, incisive, accurate play, Man City have been playing similar. I'm not saying we'll be as good as them, we won't with the players we've got! But we should be aiming at playing that way because it's the way to unlock defences and take teams apart.....hell, we even used to do it ourselves once upon a time!!
There is just no movement, no urgency and so little desire in our team. I seriously believe most of them know we aren't good enough and they go out there thinking if we keep the ball by just knocking it around then teams won't score 8 against us!
The coaching at Arsenal stinks, not a little, it is rotten and until that changes it's hard to see how the hell we could possibly succeed playing in such an awful way. We desperately need a clearout from Wenger all the way down through the coaches to bring in fresh ideas and start building good habits. This club can be great again but it needs the right people leading it, that is something we are missing badly at the moment.