Jack Wilshere

[clockender1]

I would have dropped Jack too.

To teach him and the team a lesson.


For me the midfield 5 has to be ozil, Ramsey and flamini based on form plus two others. Probably when fit, cazorla and Walcott as part of 4-3-2-1 with ozil and Walcott playing in front of flamini and Ramsey and Caz.

With the rise in form of Ramsay, jack is no longer the automatic choice - 2 goals in 68 games FFS.

He should be on the bench.

[Henry Norris 1913]

the reason why west brom fans gave jack so much stick

[safcftm]

He's gone up in my estimations as a bloke with this http://www1.skysports.com/football/news ... or-england

Couldn't agree more - the bloke wasn't born in England, he doesn't have English parents, he doesn't even have English grandparents, not even one, he hasn't been here most of his life having fled a war torn country and made England a safe place to call home. He's a lad who came here at, what, 15 and just for football? Not for me that like, don't like foreign coaches and don't like the idea of this lad with no real link to England being brought in. That and the fact that the media are going mental, yet again, about a lad that has had one good match.

[augie]

He's gone up in my estimations as a bloke with this http://www1.skysports.com/football/news ... or-england

Couldn't agree more - the bloke wasn't born in England, he doesn't have English parents, he doesn't even have English grandparents, not even one, he hasn't been here most of his life having fled a war torn country and made England a safe place to call home. He's a lad who came here at, what, 15 and just for football? Not for me that like, don't like foreign coaches and don't like the idea of this lad with no real link to England being brought in. That and the fact that the media are going mental, yet again, about a lad that has had one good match.

I havent been slating jack as much as many on here have of late and he would still be starting in my midfield, but there are times that he is a total knobhead What business is it of his who plays for engerland ? His job is to play football instead of being yet another gobby tart who thinks they have done enough in their career to justify his public statements Does he feel that AFC, a core traditional english club, should not employ foreigners ? If he had of made the statement saying that he shouldnt play for england cos he aint english and then left it at that then you could accept that but he then started spouting bullshit outdated anti foreigner remarks which I would be questioning if I was a foreign clubmate of his. He obviously hasnt heard of previous players who represented england and who were not born there (john barnes, dorigo and butcher spring to mind) ?

[northbank123]

I agree with him - the bloke isn't English. Not even remotely. End of.

[LDB]

Good on the lad, he has an opinion and is not just going to give the easy answers. Although he has not said anything remotely offensive he will be jumped on by the thought police no doubt.

The only thing I disagree with is this bullshit nostalgic view of "brave" England. Maybe we could trade some of this "bravery" for actually being good at football? At least Jack can back this up with technical quality but its still a nonsense that has been holding us back for 50 years.

[DB10GOONER]

Footballer makes dullard remarks shocker!!



No problem with his statement tbh as it got to a silly level with Oireland under Charlton where if you owned an Oirish Setter you qualified!

But those are really stupid outdated remarks about "foreigners" and the "brave English" as if being a scrappy player is something to treasure ahead of technical ability. Unfortunately that view encapsulates exactly why Ingerland haven't won the world cup since 66 and never will until they improve the technical ability of their players.

[safcftm]

He's gone up in my estimations as a bloke with this http://www1.skysports.com/football/news ... or-england

Couldn't agree more - the bloke wasn't born in England, he doesn't have English parents, he doesn't even have English grandparents, not even one, he hasn't been here most of his life having fled a war torn country and made England a safe place to call home. He's a lad who came here at, what, 15 and just for football? Not for me that like, don't like foreign coaches and don't like the idea of this lad with no real link to England being brought in. That and the fact that the media are going mental, yet again, about a lad that has had one good match.

I havent been slating jack as much as many on here have of late and he would still be starting in my midfield, but there are times that he is a total knobhead What business is it of his who plays for engerland ? His job is to play football instead of being yet another gobby tart who thinks they have done enough in their career to justify his public statements Does he feel that AFC, a core traditional english club, should not employ foreigners ? If he had of made the statement saying that he shouldnt play for england cos he aint english and then left it at that then you could accept that but he then started spouting bullshit outdated anti foreigner remarks which I would be questioning if I was a foreign clubmate of his. He obviously hasnt heard of previous players who represented england and who were not born there (john barnes, dorigo and butcher spring to mind) ?

To be fair to the lad he's probably just been asked a question and given his honest answer. Good on him, I hate how some footballers nowadays receive so much media training that they end up guarding everything they say like a politician, if he's asked "would you like to see Januzaj play for England?" and he wouldn't, I'd rather he just came out and said it. As for previous players who seem to fall into the same category, he probably disagrees with Barnes and Dorigo since they didn't have any link to England but I don't think he'd have any argument with Butcher since his dad was in the navy and he was only born abroad because of his dad being stationed there!

[Bradywasking]

Was the Premier League the best league in Europe /the world because Eduardo scored great goals or because Martin Taylor broke his(Eduardo's ) leg ?.. Sorry Jack I accept what you say abut English players playing for England but this hard tacklers nonsense is well just nonsense. That is the same "they don't like it up them " rubbish that pundits used to justify kicking Arsenal all over the pitch. Remember the end of the invincibles for example. ? Remember the " he is not that type of player " comments to condone the thuggery of Shawcross. Tackling is an art , but it alone will not win the major prizes.

[GranadaJoe]

If playing for a national side doesn't require being born in that country, or having parents who were born in that country (I could maybe accept if a very young child grew up here) then the very rational for 'national' teams is shattered.

I lost all interest in England's cricket team when we had nearly as many South Africans in the team as English.
Athletics is going the same way with Americans being lured over. Watching some of the Olympics middle and long distance races was a matter of wondering if Ethiopia's Ethiopians would beat the Qatari Ethiopians and the Bahraini Ethiopians.

It isn't racist to suggest that a country should be represented by its citizens and Jack was entitled to give his opinion.

[goonersid]

His latest comments merely confirm the guy is an idiot.
I wonder what John Barnes would make of that statement.

[northbank123]

I agree with the sentiment - and roping in players with tenuous Welsh connections is something that has fucked me right off for Wales in the past.

But having read the BBC article Wilshere really is brainless isn't he? Couldn't really do much more to perpetuate the English outdated mentality and when a player with such talent/potential and relative technical ability says stuff like that it really makes you worry.

Hopefully he'll get slammed for it and finally he'll realise that he's better off not piping up all the time because he seems stupider with every interview he gives.

[augie]

Footballer makes dullard remarks shocker!!



No problem with his statement tbh as it got to a silly level with Oireland under Charlton where if you owned an Oirish Setter you qualified!

But those are really stupid outdated remarks about "foreigners" and the "brave English" as if being a scrappy player is something to treasure ahead of technical ability. Unfortunately that view encapsulates exactly why Ingerland haven't won the world cup since 66 and never will until they improve the technical ability of their players.

This "put down" of the Irish national team used to really really piss me off mainly because of the total and absolute hypocrisy of it all - the piss taking was initiated by the media uk and for me they totally ignored the numerous examples similar situations in english sport and it was largely used to belittle the Irish teams "achievements" under Big Jack. I never really had a problem with the grandparent rule as long as players didnt use playing for Ireland as some sort of consolation price/last resort. We had players like townsend, houghton and big Mick McCarthy who would have run through brick walls whilst representing us and I contrast that to the attitude of wankers like keane and stephen ireland who are born and bred Irish but who treated the national team like they were above it

I can understand the logic of england wanting only english players (surely a country of it's size should be able to produce 20+ players of the required level) but I can never understand the logic (on sunday supplement frequently of late) that the english manager should always be english - shouldnt the main requirement be that the best man gets the job ? It's a well accepted fact in england that you dont produce enough quality coaches so why narrow your options, especially to a culture that prioritises "passion" over technique ?

[goonersid]

Footballer makes dullard remarks shocker!!



No problem with his statement tbh as it got to a silly level with Oireland under Charlton where if you owned an Oirish Setter you qualified!

But those are really stupid outdated remarks about "foreigners" and the "brave English" as if being a scrappy player is something to treasure ahead of technical ability. Unfortunately that view encapsulates exactly why Ingerland haven't won the world cup since 66 and never will until they improve the technical ability of their players.

This "put down" of the Irish national team used to really really piss me off mainly because of the total and absolute hypocrisy of it all - the piss taking was initiated by the media uk and for me they totally ignored the numerous examples similar situations in english sport and it was largely used to belittle the Irish teams "achievements" under Big Jack. I never really had a problem with the grandparent rule as long as players didnt use playing for Ireland as some sort of consolation price/last resort. We had players like townsend, houghton and big Mick McCarthy who would have run through brick walls whilst representing us and I contrast that to the attitude of wankers like keane and stephen ireland who are born and bred Irish but who treated the national team like they were above it

I can understand the logic of england wanting only english players (surely a country of it's size should be able to produce 20+ players of the required level) but I can never understand the logic (on sunday supplement frequently of late) that the english manager should always be english - shouldnt the main requirement be that the best man gets the job ? It's a well accepted fact in england that you dont produce enough quality coaches so why narrow your options, especially to a culture that prioritises "passion" over technique ?

100% Augie, we have some great memories of Big Jack's time as manager, ones which will probably never be repeated. I always remember a headline in the Daily Mirror after we beat Ingerland in the euros "Forty Shades of Green Around the Gills" accompanied by a pic of Charlton and an article slating him as basically a traitor. But then they never did "like it up em"
Other countries have been more than willing to have players from other countries represent them in various sports. None more so than England, particularly in cricket, even when sportsmen from South Africa were banned from international sport because of the apartheid regime, the MCC were to their shame willing to offer them an opportunity to represent England.

[officepest]

As regards Jack's comments on Januzaj, he's correct in that there is no earthly reason to select him for England. The media are drooling over him as if he's the genetically spliced child of Moses, Jesus and Mohammed but as soon as he drops a bollock the press will revert to type and print their usual hatchet jobs.

I do, however, wish Jack would keep his mouth shut though as he comes across as a pretty dim individual. I don't think a career in quantum mechanics beckons for him after he hangs up his boots.

The new Marlboro man perhaps instead?