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donaldo71 wrote:Lets all laugh as chance after chance is missed.We did get away with it yesterday because Stoke were so poor.But thats no excuse for not hammering our two "strikers".Walcott has missed 6 sitters in the last 2 games Yes we won but don't bury you head in the sand about how poor Walcott was
I do & all I get is some Theo lover hammering me for mentioning the fact !! But how would I know - I'm an old fart. The goal he did get he took OK but you would expect that with a one on one with the keeper & with his pace to get onto the through ball. Nice through ball from Ozil. With our tippy tappy build up he doesn't get that kind of service very often. Maybe when we're on the back foot a little more he could be useful on the break. Against Chel$ki ??. Only AW knows.
I am no Theo lover
You are such a child fella you really are, I just don't understand why you ONLY slate theo when there are plenty of other players more deserving of criticism.
11 goals in 11 games, what's girouds record in that time yet you don't slate him, is it a black thing
Theo has his faults but he will get goals and his movement gets him those chances, NO player scores all their chances, if he puts away one in four then I am happy with that.
Ali G - is it cos I is black ?
On a serious note lefty, I read a stat somewhere today that said that wally has scored 1 goal from 13 shots/attempts this season - a more relevant stat no ??
There's no excuse not to give Theo his run there now because he really doesn't have many options, he did miss a few chances but his goal showed what he could bring, likewise Giroud showed everything that he is about in the short time he was on, a shocking miss and a bread and butter header but his body language after scoring looked like someone that had a bit of a sulk on with the support.
Butland is impressive, kept them in it and is huge, should have scored 3 or 4 but a win is a win.
donaldo71 wrote:Lets all laugh as chance after chance is missed.We did get away with it yesterday because Stoke were so poor.But thats no excuse for not hammering our two "strikers".Walcott has missed 6 sitters in the last 2 games Yes we won but don't bury you head in the sand about how poor Walcott was
I do & all I get is some Theo lover hammering me for mentioning the fact !! But how would I know - I'm an old fart. The goal he did get he took OK but you would expect that with a one on one with the keeper & with his pace to get onto the through ball. Nice through ball from Ozil. With our tippy tappy build up he doesn't get that kind of service very often. Maybe when we're on the back foot a little more he could be useful on the break. Against Chel$ki ??. Only AW knows.
I am no Theo lover
You are such a child fella you really are, I just don't understand why you ONLY slate theo when there are plenty of other players more deserving of criticism.
11 goals in 11 games, what's girouds record in that time yet you don't slate him, is it a black thing
Theo has his faults but he will get goals and his movement gets him those chances, NO player scores all their chances, if he puts away one in four then I am happy with that.
Ali G - is it cos I is black ?
On a serious note lefty, I read a stat somewhere today that said that wally has scored 1 goal from 13 shots/attempts this season - a more relevant stat no ??
I IS BLACK - so it's just a football thing. If one of my team of kids missed 3 out of every 4 chances created for him I'd get a new striker !!.
Nos89 wrote:Can't believe the criticism...thought this was the easiest match against stoke I've ever seen. Butland made a few great saves, assisted by some wasteful finishing.Sanchez and Theo both shouldve got hattricks in 1st half. Watched Ozil closely in first half and he never stopped moving, always finding space. Silly yellow card. Coquelin was outstanding, why are there even questions over his quality? Stopped stoke, played it simple and was effective. Carzola was average as was Ramsey. Simply, drop ssnti, move Ramsey to the middlr, play Ozil in his best positon. An easy victory. Anyone, notice the difference Gabriel made?
Did Gabriel have a good game? Would be nice for him to get a run, think Per is finished.
People will have a moan whatever, had we beaten them 6-0 people would complain that we are flat track bullies and that all is now perfect in Wengerland.
For me the pertinent point is that both of our mega-bucks strikers yet again missed a hatful of chances, as they have done so far and as they will do all season. That's not going to change.
YOU DONT WIN TITLES WITH STRIKERS LIKE GIROUD AND WALCOTT.
Gabriel is a very good reliable defender. He already has a good understanding with Kos.
I am not sure what is wrong with BFG but surely he cannot be considered first choice CB from now on.
As others have said, if Ramsey is going to be played wide, I would rather have the ox in that position.
Just startling how he can continue playing Ramsey out there. At the moment I don't think Ramsey starts on merit anywhere, but certainly not out wide where he has never been effective. Makes us completely toothless down that side and it's utterly baffling. The reality is that he is now one of Wenger's favourites and will be shoe-horned into the side accordingly.
Forget the media wankathon over players like Ross Barkley, Chris Smalling, Raheem Sterling etc. Chamberlain is the real deal. Strong, fit, fast, can beat a player on either side, direct, two great feet and has an eye for goal. Forget the fact that he has unbelievable potential, he is a great player now for us and should be starting for that reason alone. He should be starting just about every week because it's what's best for him and the team. It will be criminal if he keeps falling in and out of favour and inexplicably spending games on end on the bench. We have a real gem on our hands and there's a danger Wenger will have him treading water and no better a player in 3 or 4 years time.
Gabriel allowed Kos to carry the ball forward more, something Kos did with great effect alongside TV5. He is quick and makes the defence less vulnerable to the counter. It was a great finish by Theo, instinctive, its when he has time to think that the problem, as proven by his woeful second half attempt when clean through. But if he stays fit abd remains the starter he'll get 20+ goals. There is a confidence in the defence that had been missing for a few years. Chamberlain's best game for us was against Utd in midfield, when RVP questioned Wenger's substitution of him. He just happens to have Santi and Ramsey in front of him, and dare I say Wilshere. As someone has pointed out, he leaves the full back vulnerable whichever wing he plays out wide.
Nos89 wrote:Can't believe the criticism...thought this was the easiest match against stoke I've ever seen. Butland made a few great saves, assisted by some wasteful finishing.Sanchez and Theo both shouldve got hattricks in 1st half. Watched Ozil closely in first half and he never stopped moving, always finding space. Silly yellow card. Coquelin was outstanding, why are there even questions over his quality? Stopped stoke, played it simple and was effective. Carzola was average as was Ramsey. Simply, drop ssnti, move Ramsey to the middlr, play Ozil in his best positon. An easy victory. Anyone, notice the difference Gabriel made?
Did Gabriel have a good game? Would be nice for him to get a run, think Per is finished.
People will have a moan whatever, had we beaten them 6-0 people would complain that we are flat track bullies and that all is now perfect in Wengerland.
For me the pertinent point is that both of our mega-bucks strikers yet again missed a hatful of chances, as they have done so far and as they will do all season. That's not going to change.
YOU DONT WIN TITLES WITH STRIKERS LIKE GIROUD AND WALCOTT.
Gabriel is a very good reliable defender. He already has a good understanding with Kos.
I am not sure what is wrong with BFG but surely he cannot be considered first choice CB from now on.
As others have said, if Ramsey is going to be played wide, I would rather have the ox in that position.
Just startling how he can continue playing Ramsey out there. At the moment I don't think Ramsey starts on merit anywhere, but certainly not out wide where he has never been effective. Makes us completely toothless down that side and it's utterly baffling. The reality is that he is now one of Wenger's favourites and will be shoe-horned into the side accordingly.
Forget the media wankathon over players like Ross Barkley, Chris Smalling, Raheem Sterling etc. Chamberlain is the real deal. Strong, fit, fast, can beat a player on either side, direct, two great feet and has an eye for goal. Forget the fact that he has unbelievable potential, he is a great player now for us and should be starting for that reason alone. He should be starting just about every week because it's what's best for him and the team. It will be criminal if he keeps falling in and out of favour and inexplicably spending games on end on the bench. We have a real gem on our hands and there's a danger Wenger will have him treading water and no better a player in 3 or 4 years time.
Gabriel allowed Kos to carry the ball forward more, something Kos did with great effect alongside TV5. He is quick and makes the defence less vulnerable to the counter. It was a great finish by Theo, instinctive, its when he has time to think that the problem, as proven by his woeful second half attempt when clean through. But if he stays fit abd remains the starter he'll get 20+ goals. There is a confidence in the defence that had been missing for a few years. Chamberlain's best game for us was against Utd in midfield, when RVP questioned Wenger's substitution of him. He just happens to have Santi and Ramsey in front of him, and dare I say Wilshere. As someone has pointed out, he leaves the full back vulnerable whichever wing he plays out wide.
Nos89 wrote:Can't believe the criticism...thought this was the easiest match against stoke I've ever seen. Butland made a few great saves, assisted by some wasteful finishing.Sanchez and Theo both shouldve got hattricks in 1st half. Watched Ozil closely in first half and he never stopped moving, always finding space. Silly yellow card. Coquelin was outstanding, why are there even questions over his quality? Stopped stoke, played it simple and was effective. Carzola was average as was Ramsey. Simply, drop ssnti, move Ramsey to the middlr, play Ozil in his best positon. An easy victory. Anyone, notice the difference Gabriel made?
Did Gabriel have a good game? Would be nice for him to get a run, think Per is finished.
People will have a moan whatever, had we beaten them 6-0 people would complain that we are flat track bullies and that all is now perfect in Wengerland.
For me the pertinent point is that both of our mega-bucks strikers yet again missed a hatful of chances, as they have done so far and as they will do all season. That's not going to change.
YOU DONT WIN TITLES WITH STRIKERS LIKE GIROUD AND WALCOTT.
Gabriel is a very good reliable defender. He already has a good understanding with Kos.
I am not sure what is wrong with BFG but surely he cannot be considered first choice CB from now on.
As others have said, if Ramsey is going to be played wide, I would rather have the ox in that position.
Just startling how he can continue playing Ramsey out there. At the moment I don't think Ramsey starts on merit anywhere, but certainly not out wide where he has never been effective. Makes us completely toothless down that side and it's utterly baffling. The reality is that he is now one of Wenger's favourites and will be shoe-horned into the side accordingly.
Forget the media wankathon over players like Ross Barkley, Chris Smalling, Raheem Sterling etc. Chamberlain is the real deal. Strong, fit, fast, can beat a player on either side, direct, two great feet and has an eye for goal. Forget the fact that he has unbelievable potential, he is a great player now for us and should be starting for that reason alone. He should be starting just about every week because it's what's best for him and the team. It will be criminal if he keeps falling in and out of favour and inexplicably spending games on end on the bench. We have a real gem on our hands and there's a danger Wenger will have him treading water and no better a player in 3 or 4 years time.
Gabriel allowed Kos to carry the ball forward more, something Kos did with great effect alongside TV5. He is quick and makes the defence less vulnerable to the counter. It was a great finish by Theo, instinctive, its when he has time to think that the problem, as proven by his woeful second half attempt when clean through. But if he stays fit abd remains the starter he'll get 20+ goals. There is a confidence in the defence that had been missing for a few years. Chamberlain's best game for us was against Utd in midfield, when RVP questioned Wenger's substitution of him. He just happens to have Santi and Ramsey in front of him, and dare I say Wilshere. As someone has pointed out, he leaves the full back vulnerable whichever wing he plays out wide.
donaldo71 wrote:Lets all laugh as chance after chance is missed.We did get away with it yesterday because Stoke were so poor.But thats no excuse for not hammering our two "strikers".Walcott has missed 6 sitters in the last 2 games Yes we won but don't bury you head in the sand about how poor Walcott was
I do & all I get is some Theo lover hammering me for mentioning the fact !! But how would I know - I'm an old fart. The goal he did get he took OK but you would expect that with a one on one with the keeper & with his pace to get onto the through ball. Nice through ball from Ozil. With our tippy tappy build up he doesn't get that kind of service very often. Maybe when we're on the back foot a little more he could be useful on the break. Against Chel$ki ??. Only AW knows.
I am no Theo lover
You are such a child fella you really are, I just don't understand why you ONLY slate theo when there are plenty of other players more deserving of criticism.
11 goals in 11 games, what's girouds record in that time yet you don't slate him, is it a black thing
Theo has his faults but he will get goals and his movement gets him those chances, NO player scores all their chances, if he puts away one in four then I am happy with that.
Ali G - is it cos I is black ?
On a serious note lefty, I read a stat somewhere today that said that wally has scored 1 goal from 13 shots/attempts this season - a more relevant stat no ??
Of course he is not good enough to start as a forward for Arsenal but you have give him credit for getting in those positions time after time and not go hiding, he equalled our top scorer Saturday that's how bad our strike force are as a whole.
But 11 goals in 11 starts is top top work and no one can argue it because it's there.
I believe he would score just as many from the wing as from up front and give the side more balance, Ramsey ain't no winger and I think the on is inconsistent.
Us missing so many chances is a symptom of the way we play. I believe if we changed a couple fo players at least, we'd have more solidity, create less chances but compete better for the league.
And if you ever see RayC at a match, you'll be able to identify him by the flag "Theo - Children - Wife, in that order"
Us missing so many chances is a symptom of the way we play. I believe if we changed a couple fo players at least, we'd have more solidity, create less chances but compete better for the league.
And if you ever see RayC at a match, you'll be able to identify him by the flag "Theo - Children - Wife, in that order"
Nos89 wrote:Can't believe the criticism...thought this was the easiest match against stoke I've ever seen. Butland made a few great saves, assisted by some wasteful finishing.Sanchez and Theo both shouldve got hattricks in 1st half. Watched Ozil closely in first half and he never stopped moving, always finding space. Silly yellow card. Coquelin was outstanding, why are there even questions over his quality? Stopped stoke, played it simple and was effective. Carzola was average as was Ramsey. Simply, drop ssnti, move Ramsey to the middlr, play Ozil in his best positon. An easy victory. Anyone, notice the difference Gabriel made?
Did Gabriel have a good game? Would be nice for him to get a run, think Per is finished.
People will have a moan whatever, had we beaten them 6-0 people would complain that we are flat track bullies and that all is now perfect in Wengerland.
For me the pertinent point is that both of our mega-bucks strikers yet again missed a hatful of chances, as they have done so far and as they will do all season. That's not going to change.
YOU DONT WIN TITLES WITH STRIKERS LIKE GIROUD AND WALCOTT.
That bit in red's not true, mate. Sure, Theo missed a few, Giroud missed only one proper chance. But in fairness Giroud's was the worst miss of the game, a ball misspassed to him by oppo player 6 yards out and he spun and scuffed it wide when it looked easier to score. Theo took his goal well, as did Giroud - whoever said it was a simple header is just being an arse tbh. He did well to get in between the 2 CH's and plant it. Theo had put a similar one over the bar earlier on.
But I agree that doesn't change the fact that neither Theo or Giroud are good enough to be first choice striker in a team that wants to win the PL.
This isn't aimed at you NB123, but in general this thread is utter whining shite. We outplayed and quite often outmuscled the Orcs on Saturday and very few people have the fucking honesty to say it - probably because it doesn't fit in with their anti-Wenger / anti-Arsenal agendas. Couple seasons ago these wánkers would have kicked us and intimidated us out of that game and there would be nothing but whining shite on here. Now we outplay them easily and still very few people can get past their well documented dislike of everything at modern Arsenal to even gleam a tiny bit of enjoyment from a good win. You do know you can still praise a good win and that doesn't mean you are now a Wenger lover...
On the hand I agree DB10. One should be able to credit good play where shown regardless of underlying beliefs.
On the other hand, I can't remember them kicking us out of many of our homes games against them. That would be more pertinent to the away games.
Still, I think your main point stands. Applaud the players and leave your hate for Wenger and the board and remember, every thread is open for that shit.
arseofacrow wrote:On the hand I agree DB10. One should be able to credit good play where shown regardless of underlying beliefs.
On the other hand, I can't remember them kicking us out of many of our homes games against them. That would be more pertinent to the away games.
Still, I think your main point stands. Applaud the players and leave your hate for Wenger and the board and remember, every thread is open for that shit.
Yeah, in fairness you are probably right in that, mate. And I would agree we'd have to see how we do at their place. But you could see on Saturday that the worm has turned and the likes of Sanchez, Santi, Nacho, Ramsey and especially Gabriel were taking no shit from them.
Nos89 wrote:Can't believe the criticism...thought this was the easiest match against stoke I've ever seen. Butland made a few great saves, assisted by some wasteful finishing.Sanchez and Theo both shouldve got hattricks in 1st half. Watched Ozil closely in first half and he never stopped moving, always finding space. Silly yellow card. Coquelin was outstanding, why are there even questions over his quality? Stopped stoke, played it simple and was effective. Carzola was average as was Ramsey. Simply, drop ssnti, move Ramsey to the middlr, play Ozil in his best positon. An easy victory. Anyone, notice the difference Gabriel made?
Did Gabriel have a good game? Would be nice for him to get a run, think Per is finished.
People will have a moan whatever, had we beaten them 6-0 people would complain that we are flat track bullies and that all is now perfect in Wengerland.
For me the pertinent point is that both of our mega-bucks strikers yet again missed a hatful of chances, as they have done so far and as they will do all season. That's not going to change.
YOU DONT WIN TITLES WITH STRIKERS LIKE GIROUD AND WALCOTT.
That bit in red's not true, mate. Sure, Theo missed a few, Giroud missed only one proper chance. But in fairness Giroud's was the worst miss of the game, a ball misspassed to him by oppo player 6 yards out and he spun and scuffed it wide when it looked easier to score. Theo took his goal well, as did Giroud - whoever said it was a simple header is just being an arse tbh. He did well to get in between the 2 CH's and plant it. Theo had put a similar one over the bar earlier on.
But I agree that doesn't change the fact that neither Theo or Giroud are good enough to be first choice striker in a team that wants to win the PL.
This isn't aimed at you NB123, but in general this thread is utter whining shite. We outplayed and quite often outmuscled the Orcs on Saturday and very few people have the fucking honesty to say it - probably because it doesn't fit in with their anti-Wenger / anti-Arsenal agendas. Couple seasons ago these wánkers would have kicked us and intimidated us out of that game and there would be nothing but whining shite on here. Now we outplay them easily and still very few people can get past their well documented dislike of everything at modern Arsenal to even gleam a tiny bit of enjoyment from a good win. You do know you can still praise a good win and that doesn't mean you are now a Wenger lover...
Okay Mr Pedantic, seeing as Giroud only managed to fluff one chance from six yards in the 15 minutes he was on the pitch I will clarify that they missed a hatful of chances BETWEEN THEM
Agree about the general whining about the performance not really being merited; could have caned them but it was a comfortable win that was never in doubt. Although whilst Stoke have thrown themselves about a bit at our place before they've never really caused much of a problem there.
DB10GOONER wrote:
This isn't aimed at you NB123, but in general this thread is utter whining shite. We outplayed and quite often outmuscled the Orcs on Saturday and very few people have the fucking honesty to say it - probably because it doesn't fit in with their anti-Wenger / anti-Arsenal agendas.
Absolutely agree.
I can't deny I was a little exasperated when I looked at this thread soon after full time and instead of praise, I read the comment "got out of jail" and a couple of other similar comments too.
I just find it very sad that the hatred of Wenger and desire to get him out of the club is so great that even when we play very well and win, the first thought of some is how it makes life easier for Wenger.
I do get that some people can't separate their dislike of Wenger from their love of Arsenal as he has such a hold on our club, but you surely have to try and enjoy Arsenal and put other issues that are out of your control to one side. The alternative is to become a miserable bastard and who wants that? (naming no names baba )
We outplayed and quite often outmuscled the Orcs on Saturday and very few people have the fucking honesty to say it - probably because it doesn't fit in with their anti-Wenger / anti-Arsenal agendas. Couple seasons ago these wánkers would have kicked us and intimidated us out of that game and there would be nothing but whining shite on here. Now we outplay them easily and still very few people can get past their well documented dislike of everything at modern Arsenal to even gleam a tiny bit of enjoyment from a good win. You do know you can still praise a good win and that doesn't mean you are now a Wenger lover... 
were taking no shit from them. 
