Wenger Out protest thread

[markyp]

The real protest is when ST holders get that renewal form. If you want another two years of the same renew.If not boycott.Its that simple.No one puts a gun to your head.Its alright saying you want Wenger out but if you renew your ST you are voting with your £1500 for him to stay

I gave up my ST in 2010.Not one day since have i regreted it

This argument has been done to death, it make no difference if a season ticket holder renews or not. They will just fill your seat with a tourist and the fansbase becomes even more dilluted.

I don't agree completely with this,its become clear certainly the last 3 seasons that it is becoming increasingly difficult to fill the emirates and at times the place looks only 3/4 full,after 2 more years of this shit when TOF signs that contract the place really will be half empty especially when it will lbe spurs with the fancy new stadium and playing CL football and pushing for the title every season compared to our Europa league crap and mediocrity ,not even tourists will wear this shit

[Gunnersaurus]

Feel sorry for you boys organising this, maintaining the march is always going to be hard, even more so if the team starts winning (did hover around the directors box yesterday but didn't see anything happening so went in) all you have left now is to take it into the ground even more, noticed the banners have not been up at the end of the last two games (might have seen one after City) the only protest that's going to be taken seriously from here on in will be if the anti Wenger/Contract songs get going inside but that seems like it will be hard to do too, might have more joy in the next two away games.

I've got three seats (two kids seats) haven't sold one of them since Christmas, two were empty last night, people will do what they can but it has to spill inside or it seems like it'll fizzle out.

Keep your chin up, you're doing a great job and even if he does sign, you've rustled his and the clubs feathers.

[Skooner]

Feel sorry for you boys organising this, maintaining the march is always going to be hard, even more so if the team starts winning (did hover around the directors box yesterday but didn't see anything happening so went in) all you have left now is to take it into the ground even more, noticed the banners have not been up at the end of the last two games (might have seen one after City) the only protest that's going to be taken seriously from here on in will be if the anti Wenger/Contract songs get going inside but that seems like it will be hard to do too, might have more joy in the next two away games.

I've got three seats (two kids seats) haven't sold one of them since Christmas, two were empty last night, people will do what they can but it has to spill inside or it seems like it'll fizzle out.

Keep your chin up, you're doing a great job and even if he does sign, you've rustled his and the clubs feathers.

Pretty much agree with this, it is incredibly difficult to sustain this given a large section of the fanbase are not on board but you guys are doing everything in your power to make a difference. Time will tell if it falls on deaf ears but those who want what you want definitely appreciate it.

[Brady's left peg]

well the reality of the situation certainly hit home last night..

got to the "protest march" about 5 minutes late, - i looked up Avenell Road towards the East Stand, didnt look like there was anyone there and so thought I must have missed it. Went into Gillespie Road but could only see the regular match going "zombies" walking towards the stadium. Spoke to some guy selling copies of the Gooner and he told me that he thought that the march had been cancelled.

continued on to the stadium, got a beer in just before kick off and wondered how many people would not go in...then it hits you that most people are totally oblivious to any protest. there are of course the usual latecomers, but they were just heading straight to their seat.
watched the first 10 minutes on the TV, I certainly didnt appear to be missing much! then headed to my seat. the guy next to me was taking a selfie

easy 3-0 win (once we had scored the first goal) but West Ham offered so little it wasnt a proper contest. They could well get relegated.

basically the vast majority of the Emirates crowd are happy the way things are, it matters very little to them where we are in the league.
yes we might well get top 4 again, but really that is no longer a big deal I dont think. For those who dont go to games now you have to realise that like the manager they are not bothered about winning things anymore - going to the Arsenal in 2017 is about the day out, the experience, the buying of over priced crap food, the buying of plastic tat from the club stores. If Arsenal score 1 or 2 goals it is just a bonus.

I can't see an end in sight.

Sadly, I'm afraid it's ^^^^ this. I think most of us think / know that he'll sign a new contract and regardless of what the rest of the season has in store (out of the Cup, 5th or 6th in the league), there'll be no more anti Wenger sentiment from the morons than we're seeing now. God knows, the diehards have tried hard with our protests, but very few new recruits are on board.

There's one thing that needs pointing out and that's the misguided belief that the apathy and acceptance is as a result of jcl's and tourists. What's a jcl anyway ?? Is it just a supporter from a younger generation that wasn't around in the 60's, 70's and 80's ? Hardly their fault that they're only 30 or younger and it doesn't make them any less a supporter than we older guys. I accept that they obviously have less of a grasp on pre Wenger Arsenal, but there are young guys on here who are anti Wenger (I've met and seen many at the protests) and it's unfair to foist a disparaging label on a generation. As for 40 and 50 year olds that only started going 10 or 15 years ago, are there really many of them?

Tourists ? I don't really know. No doubt about lots of selfies and people kitted out in crap from the Armoury, but I've no idea what percentage of them are tourists and day trippers.

No, the apathy issue runs far deeper than "jcl's" and tourits. Bear in mind that there's what, 40 - 45,000 season tickets at the bowl. That's a lot of non-tourists and if 10% had joined the protests, then we'd probably be home and dry. As much as we might not want to admit it, it's these proper gooners that are the problem. We all know diehard, old school supporters who still support Il Duce, or are at least unwilling to campaign for his removal (there have been a number of posts on here over the last couple of days detailing mates who won't protest and want to give him time etc) and it's been eye opening on the marches. On Sunday, the biggest detractors and / or nuisances trying to disrupt the march, were old boys in their 60's. Four clearly spring to mind, a couple maybe even the wrong side of 70. Take it from me, they weren't jcl's or tourists.

Like it or not, the real problem is brain dead gooners.....FACT .

The soulless bowl is full of half and half scarves for fuck sake... you wouldn't find a proper gooner anywhere near one of those fucking things, and don't get me started on fucking ipads and selfie sticks.... fucking cretins the lot of em!

[NickF]

Feel sorry for you boys organising this, maintaining the march is always going to be hard, even more so if the team starts winning (did hover around the directors box yesterday but didn't see anything happening so went in) all you have left now is to take it into the ground even more, noticed the banners have not been up at the end of the last two games (might have seen one after City) the only protest that's going to be taken seriously from here on in will be if the anti Wenger/Contract songs get going inside but that seems like it will be hard to do too, might have more joy in the next two away games.

I've got three seats (two kids seats) haven't sold one of them since Christmas, two were empty last night, people will do what they can but it has to spill inside or it seems like it'll fizzle out.

Keep your chin up, you're doing a great job and even if he does sign, you've rustled his and the clubs feathers.

There definately was one at City, me!
Even DT doesn't seem to bother now, probably too busy filming himself. Said it loads of times, there are not enough people at the Emirates willing to do banners. It is pretty much a lost cause.

Better at away grounds, WBA was rocking - loads of banner and loud Wenger Out chants.
However, I suspect wouldn't have been so good had we won.....

[Retro Gunner]

there'll be no more anti Wenger sentiment from the morons than we're seeing now.

Hey Nick, you trying to get me shot ?! I can see that this line in my post could be misinterpreted, but if you quote it as a stand alone line, then it will definitely be taken the wrong way !

Ok, the morons are the supine, docile fans that are gratefully accepting what the Fraud is serving them and aren't protesting. My point was that, no matter what happens during the remainder of the season, including a total collapse, those fans won't adopt an anti-Wenger sentiment.

Clearly, the morons are NOT the protesting fans. The protesters are highly, highly intelligent people, with an excellent grasp of football, sound morals, kind to children and animals, gentlemanly and chivalrous with women, very green aware and who never use foul language......(ok, I lied about the last bit).

Thank you....I'll now remove the bullet proof vest.

[armchair]

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[Tollgoon]

^^ Brilliant, I'll be doing mine soon

[Bob Bayliss]

Some interesting and different interpretations of the challenges of recruiting more to join in on here: for what it is worth, here is mine.

I believe the match-going fan-base has changed dramatically over the past 10 years, ie since we've been at the soulless bowl. The half-half scarves reflect that a lot of people dip in and out of matches without necessarily feeling any great sense of affiliation to the club. The proportion of long-standing gooners who pass on their season tickets match-by-match (or rent it out for the season) has increased year-on-year. As others have said, these visitors are largely oblivious to the club's history and prospects. It's like a trip to the theatre or a hospitality opportunity.

I don't agree with the view that there are now significant numbers of 'real' Arsenal supporters who baulk at joining us because they have respect for Arsene Wenger. Five years ago, maybe, but no longer. I believe the recent Arsenal Supporters Trust survey provided a reasonably accurate picture of what the vast majority want, but they were surveyed from the comfort of their armchairs......Our problem is simply apathy. If they can't be bothered to turn up for matches these days, it is difficult to galvanise them to coming along to protest. Many have simply got out of the habit of going to football - hence why they rent their seats out.

Last night was disappointing, but let's not give up. Wenger may not be toast, but he is hardly flavour of the month either. There is plenty we can do to keep the media focus firmly on him, and after the next couple of weeks the fixture list turns against him again. Stay positive.

[Retro Gunner]

well the reality of the situation certainly hit home last night..

got to the "protest march" about 5 minutes late, - i looked up Avenell Road towards the East Stand, didnt look like there was anyone there and so thought I must have missed it. Went into Gillespie Road but could only see the regular match going "zombies" walking towards the stadium. Spoke to some guy selling copies of the Gooner and he told me that he thought that the march had been cancelled.

continued on to the stadium, got a beer in just before kick off and wondered how many people would not go in...then it hits you that most people are totally oblivious to any protest. there are of course the usual latecomers, but they were just heading straight to their seat.
watched the first 10 minutes on the TV, I certainly didnt appear to be missing much! then headed to my seat. the guy next to me was taking a selfie

easy 3-0 win (once we had scored the first goal) but West Ham offered so little it wasnt a proper contest. They could well get relegated.

basically the vast majority of the Emirates crowd are happy the way things are, it matters very little to them where we are in the league.
yes we might well get top 4 again, but really that is no longer a big deal I dont think. For those who dont go to games now you have to realise that like the manager they are not bothered about winning things anymore - going to the Arsenal in 2017 is about the day out, the experience, the buying of over priced crap food, the buying of plastic tat from the club stores. If Arsenal score 1 or 2 goals it is just a bonus.

I can't see an end in sight.

Sadly, I'm afraid it's ^^^^ this. I think most of us think / know that he'll sign a new contract and regardless of what the rest of the season has in store (out of the Cup, 5th or 6th in the league), there'll be no more anti Wenger sentiment from the morons than we're seeing now. God knows, the diehards have tried hard with our protests, but very few new recruits are on board.

There's one thing that needs pointing out and that's the misguided belief that the apathy and acceptance is as a result of jcl's and tourists. What's a jcl anyway ?? Is it just a supporter from a younger generation that wasn't around in the 60's, 70's and 80's ? Hardly their fault that they're only 30 or younger and it doesn't make them any less a supporter than we older guys. I accept that they obviously have less of a grasp on pre Wenger Arsenal, but there are young guys on here who are anti Wenger (I've met and seen many at the protests) and it's unfair to foist a disparaging label on a generation. As for 40 and 50 year olds that only started going 10 or 15 years ago, are there really many of them?

Tourists ? I don't really know. No doubt about lots of selfies and people kitted out in crap from the Armoury, but I've no idea what percentage of them are tourists and day trippers.

No, the apathy issue runs far deeper than "jcl's" and tourits. Bear in mind that there's what, 40 - 45,000 season tickets at the bowl. That's a lot of non-tourists and if 10% had joined the protests, then we'd probably be home and dry. As much as we might not want to admit it, it's these proper gooners that are the problem. We all know diehard, old school supporters who still support Il Duce, or are at least unwilling to campaign for his removal (there have been a number of posts on here over the last couple of days detailing mates who won't protest and want to give him time etc) and it's been eye opening on the marches. On Sunday, the biggest detractors and / or nuisances trying to disrupt the march, were old boys in their 60's. Four clearly spring to mind, a couple maybe even the wrong side of 70. Take it from me, they weren't jcl's or tourists.

Like it or not, the real problem is brain dead gooners.....FACT .

The soulless bowl is full of half and half scarves for fuck sake... you wouldn't find a proper gooner anywhere near one of those fucking things, and don't get me started on fucking ipads and selfie sticks.... fucking cretins the lot of em!

Sorry Brady, I'm not buying that. You don't address the points in my penultimate paragraph. If the place is full of half and half scarves (and I realise you're exaggerating for effect), then that's an awful lot of season ticket holders. Where my season ticket is, it's all proper Gooners, people of all ages, Arsenal men, but bar a handful they don't hoot and holler about what's going on.

Are you telling me that you don't know any Gooners who still support Wenger, or others that make lame excuses and while thinking he ought to go, are reluctant to protest ? There's plenty of posters on here who know life long Gooners who are exactly like that. They are the most frustrating of all, those that can go back 20, 30, 40 years at our Club, but have a total mental block about the current situation. It's irritating enough when people with no real idea about the game, or supporters of other clubs, try telling us he's done well with no money , who could replace him and we should be careful what we wish for, but when long-term supporters come out with that crap, I have to fight off a sense of violent fucking rage !!

Sorry mate, but to believe that he isn't being backed by "proper" Gooners is delusional. I know loads. Oh....and they don't buy half and half scarves.

[armchair]

Just remember..........
We dont need hundreds of people marching in the street demanding his head.

Like Ive said before its all about the media. It only takes a second and 2 people to hold up a banner and take a pic.

Look at the coverage that guy kano got holding up an A4 piece of paper at Chelsea. One guy!

We just have to be creative.

And also if the funds permit we should do the plane again. We have already paid for the sign yea?

[Brady's left peg]

well the reality of the situation certainly hit home last night..

got to the "protest march" about 5 minutes late, - i looked up Avenell Road towards the East Stand, didnt look like there was anyone there and so thought I must have missed it. Went into Gillespie Road but could only see the regular match going "zombies" walking towards the stadium. Spoke to some guy selling copies of the Gooner and he told me that he thought that the march had been cancelled.

continued on to the stadium, got a beer in just before kick off and wondered how many people would not go in...then it hits you that most people are totally oblivious to any protest. there are of course the usual latecomers, but they were just heading straight to their seat.
watched the first 10 minutes on the TV, I certainly didnt appear to be missing much! then headed to my seat. the guy next to me was taking a selfie

easy 3-0 win (once we had scored the first goal) but West Ham offered so little it wasnt a proper contest. They could well get relegated.

basically the vast majority of the Emirates crowd are happy the way things are, it matters very little to them where we are in the league.
yes we might well get top 4 again, but really that is no longer a big deal I dont think. For those who dont go to games now you have to realise that like the manager they are not bothered about winning things anymore - going to the Arsenal in 2017 is about the day out, the experience, the buying of over priced crap food, the buying of plastic tat from the club stores. If Arsenal score 1 or 2 goals it is just a bonus.

I can't see an end in sight.

Sadly, I'm afraid it's ^^^^ this. I think most of us think / know that he'll sign a new contract and regardless of what the rest of the season has in store (out of the Cup, 5th or 6th in the league), there'll be no more anti Wenger sentiment from the morons than we're seeing now. God knows, the diehards have tried hard with our protests, but very few new recruits are on board.

There's one thing that needs pointing out and that's the misguided belief that the apathy and acceptance is as a result of jcl's and tourists. What's a jcl anyway ?? Is it just a supporter from a younger generation that wasn't around in the 60's, 70's and 80's ? Hardly their fault that they're only 30 or younger and it doesn't make them any less a supporter than we older guys. I accept that they obviously have less of a grasp on pre Wenger Arsenal, but there are young guys on here who are anti Wenger (I've met and seen many at the protests) and it's unfair to foist a disparaging label on a generation. As for 40 and 50 year olds that only started going 10 or 15 years ago, are there really many of them?

Tourists ? I don't really know. No doubt about lots of selfies and people kitted out in crap from the Armoury, but I've no idea what percentage of them are tourists and day trippers.

No, the apathy issue runs far deeper than "jcl's" and tourits. Bear in mind that there's what, 40 - 45,000 season tickets at the bowl. That's a lot of non-tourists and if 10% had joined the protests, then we'd probably be home and dry. As much as we might not want to admit it, it's these proper gooners that are the problem. We all know diehard, old school supporters who still support Il Duce, or are at least unwilling to campaign for his removal (there have been a number of posts on here over the last couple of days detailing mates who won't protest and want to give him time etc) and it's been eye opening on the marches. On Sunday, the biggest detractors and / or nuisances trying to disrupt the march, were old boys in their 60's. Four clearly spring to mind, a couple maybe even the wrong side of 70. Take it from me, they weren't jcl's or tourists.

Like it or not, the real problem is brain dead gooners.....FACT .

The soulless bowl is full of half and half scarves for fuck sake... you wouldn't find a proper gooner anywhere near one of those fucking things, and don't get me started on fucking ipads and selfie sticks.... fucking cretins the lot of em!

Sorry Brady, I'm not buying that. You don't address the points in my penultimate paragraph. If the place is full of half and half scarves (and I realise you're exaggerating for effect), then that's an awful lot of season ticket holders. Where my season ticket is, it's all proper Gooners, people of all ages, Arsenal men, but bar a handful they don't hoot and holler about what's going on.

Are you telling me that you don't know any Gooners who still support Wenger, or others that make lame excuses and while thinking he ought to go, are reluctant to protest ? There's plenty of posters on here who know life long Gooners who are exactly like that. They are the most frustrating of all, those that can go back 20, 30, 40 years at our Club, but have a total mental block about the current situation. It's irritating enough when people with no real idea about the game, or supporters of other clubs, try telling us he's done well with no money , who could replace him and we should be careful what we wish for, but when long-term supporters come out with that crap, I have to fight off a sense of violent fucking rage !!

Sorry mate, but to believe that he isn't being backed by "proper" Gooners is delusional. I know loads. Oh....and they don't buy half and half scarves.

OK Retro I will try and address those points here... how many of those 45,000 season tickets are actually being used by their owners? An awful lot are rented out, put on TX or lent to friends or colleagues. How many actual ST holders still go regularly? Nobody really knows, personally I threw both of mine back a few years ago and haven't put one penny into the club since and I don't intend too until Wenger and Kroenke have both left the club.
I accept your points about many of our fanbase blindly following inspector clueless and hanging on his every word though, and just a quick flick through Twatter is enough to reinforce that... one reason I rarely go on Twatter now is the effect wankers on there have on my blood pressure! And yes I do know a few fans who will not hear a word said against him. They tend to be the same fans who chant Feo,Feo,Feo when the little prick scores but totally ignore all the shit games he has week in week out.
I am also fully aware of our delusional fanbase... indeed according to you I am one of them although not for the same reason. Apathy is rife amongst fans of The Arsenal but after years of the same old shit is that really a surprise... we all know the only way things will change is if Wenger goes, followed by Kroenke but a lot of fans have now given up hope of that happening any time soon. For all the good the protests are doing and the media coverage can only be a good thing, until such time that the club start feeling it in the pocket nothing will change... sad but true.

[rich31]

I was there last night.I hung around Avenell Road just before 7 but no one was there.The ground had ALOT of empty seats (some of which filled up after 13 mins but there were still alot) but i saw no signs at all of discontent.Most people seemed happy to clap a pass my 10 year old could complete on a sunday morning.Loads of people around me stood to applaud walcott when he was substituted and west ham pretty much outsung Arsenal for most of the game.Lots of tourists,people on their phones and people with clearly no interest in the game at all.
Unfortunately ladies and gents we are facing an uphill battle to do anything about the general apathy i saw last night.Hopefully i just went on the wrong night but if its always like that then thank f"@k i gave up going a fair while ago.Lets keep it up though people..where theres a will theres a way!!

[Retro Gunner]

well the reality of the situation certainly hit home last night..

got to the "protest march" about 5 minutes late, - i looked up Avenell Road towards the East Stand, didnt look like there was anyone there and so thought I must have missed it. Went into Gillespie Road but could only see the regular match going "zombies" walking towards the stadium. Spoke to some guy selling copies of the Gooner and he told me that he thought that the march had been cancelled.

continued on to the stadium, got a beer in just before kick off and wondered how many people would not go in...then it hits you that most people are totally oblivious to any protest. there are of course the usual latecomers, but they were just heading straight to their seat.
watched the first 10 minutes on the TV, I certainly didnt appear to be missing much! then headed to my seat. the guy next to me was taking a selfie

easy 3-0 win (once we had scored the first goal) but West Ham offered so little it wasnt a proper contest. They could well get relegated.

basically the vast majority of the Emirates crowd are happy the way things are, it matters very little to them where we are in the league.
yes we might well get top 4 again, but really that is no longer a big deal I dont think. For those who dont go to games now you have to realise that like the manager they are not bothered about winning things anymore - going to the Arsenal in 2017 is about the day out, the experience, the buying of over priced crap food, the buying of plastic tat from the club stores. If Arsenal score 1 or 2 goals it is just a bonus.

I can't see an end in sight.

Sadly, I'm afraid it's ^^^^ this. I think most of us think / know that he'll sign a new contract and regardless of what the rest of the season has in store (out of the Cup, 5th or 6th in the league), there'll be no more anti Wenger sentiment from the morons than we're seeing now. God knows, the diehards have tried hard with our protests, but very few new recruits are on board.

There's one thing that needs pointing out and that's the misguided belief that the apathy and acceptance is as a result of jcl's and tourists. What's a jcl anyway ?? Is it just a supporter from a younger generation that wasn't around in the 60's, 70's and 80's ? Hardly their fault that they're only 30 or younger and it doesn't make them any less a supporter than we older guys. I accept that they obviously have less of a grasp on pre Wenger Arsenal, but there are young guys on here who are anti Wenger (I've met and seen many at the protests) and it's unfair to foist a disparaging label on a generation. As for 40 and 50 year olds that only started going 10 or 15 years ago, are there really many of them?

Tourists ? I don't really know. No doubt about lots of selfies and people kitted out in crap from the Armoury, but I've no idea what percentage of them are tourists and day trippers.

No, the apathy issue runs far deeper than "jcl's" and tourits. Bear in mind that there's what, 40 - 45,000 season tickets at the bowl. That's a lot of non-tourists and if 10% had joined the protests, then we'd probably be home and dry. As much as we might not want to admit it, it's these proper gooners that are the problem. We all know diehard, old school supporters who still support Il Duce, or are at least unwilling to campaign for his removal (there have been a number of posts on here over the last couple of days detailing mates who won't protest and want to give him time etc) and it's been eye opening on the marches. On Sunday, the biggest detractors and / or nuisances trying to disrupt the march, were old boys in their 60's. Four clearly spring to mind, a couple maybe even the wrong side of 70. Take it from me, they weren't jcl's or tourists.

Like it or not, the real problem is brain dead gooners.....FACT .

The soulless bowl is full of half and half scarves for fuck sake... you wouldn't find a proper gooner anywhere near one of those fucking things, and don't get me started on fucking ipads and selfie sticks.... fucking cretins the lot of em!

Sorry Brady, I'm not buying that. You don't address the points in my penultimate paragraph. If the place is full of half and half scarves (and I realise you're exaggerating for effect), then that's an awful lot of season ticket holders. Where my season ticket is, it's all proper Gooners, people of all ages, Arsenal men, but bar a handful they don't hoot and holler about what's going on.

Are you telling me that you don't know any Gooners who still support Wenger, or others that make lame excuses and while thinking he ought to go, are reluctant to protest ? There's plenty of posters on here who know life long Gooners who are exactly like that. They are the most frustrating of all, those that can go back 20, 30, 40 years at our Club, but have a total mental block about the current situation. It's irritating enough when people with no real idea about the game, or supporters of other clubs, try telling us he's done well with no money , who could replace him and we should be careful what we wish for, but when long-term supporters come out with that crap, I have to fight off a sense of violent fucking rage !!

Sorry mate, but to believe that he isn't being backed by "proper" Gooners is delusional. I know loads. Oh....and they don't buy half and half scarves.

OK Retro I will try and address those points here... how many of those 45,000 season tickets are actually being used by their owners? An awful lot are rented out, put on TX or lent to friends or colleagues. How many actual ST holders still go regularly? Nobody really knows, personally I threw both of mine back a few years ago and haven't put one penny into the club since and I don't intend too until Wenger and Kroenke have both left the club.
I accept your points about many of our fanbase blindly following inspector clueless and hanging on his every word though, and just a quick flick through Twatter is enough to reinforce that... one reason I rarely go on Twatter now is the effect wankers on there have on my blood pressure! And yes I do know a few fans who will not hear a word said against him. They tend to be the same fans who chant Feo,Feo,Feo when the little prick scores but totally ignore all the shit games he has week in week out.
I am also fully aware of our delusional fanbase... indeed according to you I am one of them although not for the same reason. Apathy is rife amongst fans of The Arsenal but after years of the same old shit is that really a surprise... we all know the only way things will change is if Wenger goes, followed by Kroenke but a lot of fans have now given up hope of that happening any time soon. For all the good the protests are doing and the media coverage can only be a good thing, until such time that the club start feeling it in the pocket nothing will change... sad but true.

I don't disagree with any of that !!!

I don't really think you're delusional either....I did, but I don't now !

To be honest Brady, we can all get a bit frustrated and tetchy, it's all part of being a modern day Arsenal supporter. Btw, I'm one of those that has rented out his ST. This is the 3rd season I've done so. I've posted before on here that I'm somewhat torn over the thorny issue of whether people who want Wenger (and Kroenke) out, should renew their ST's. Ultimately, while it's not my place to question anyone, I do think that chucking your ST in is the only way. The argument that there's someone waiting to take it, doesn't hold too much water with me, because, although it may take time, eventually the seat will be empty. From what I read on here, the waiting list isn't anything like it once was. Anyway, I do feel like a fraud, because renting it out is a cop out of course. Indirectly, I'm still buying it, just not with my money, if you know what I mean ? If the guy renting it this year wants it again, I'll probably renew , but if he doesn't, well, as I've said before, I have a tough decision to make.

The travails of a contemporary Gooner .

[NickF]

To be honest Brady, we can all get a bit frustrated and tetchy, it's all part of being a modern day Arsenal supporter. Btw, I'm one of those that has rented out his ST. This is the 3rd season I've done so. I've posted before on here that I'm somewhat torn over the thorny issue of whether people who want Wenger (and Kroenke) out, should renew their ST's. Ultimately, while it's not my place to question anyone, I do think that chucking your ST in is the only way. The argument that there's someone waiting to take it, doesn't hold too much water with me, because, although it may take time, eventually the seat will be empty. From what I read on here, the waiting list isn't anything like it once was. Anyway, I do feel like a fraud, because renting it out is a cop out of course. Indirectly, I'm still buying it, just not with my money, if you know what I mean ? If the guy renting it this year wants it again, I'll probably renew , but if he doesn't, well, as I've said before, I have a tough decision to make.

The travails of a contemporary Gooner .

If Wenger signs a new contract I will join the ranks of people renting out their season tickets.

I hear what you say about the waiting list, but the thing is once Wenger does eventually leave and we start doing well, tickets will be hard to get hold of and you would be bottom of the list if you give up your season ticket. That was why I got one in the first place - when Bergkamp joined tickets became difficult to get.