THE WENGER THREAD

[Ikechukwu1]

Henry Winter at AST meeting telling it how it is apparantely. Absolutely slating Wenger.

Revealing what some of us already knew/suspected including........

There has been at least £30mill available for transfers EVERY SEASONsince the stadium move, but Wenger doesnt spend.
Debunks a few Kroenke haters too.

But....but....but...
Remember?
Arsene "worked miracles" to keep us in a distant 4th place during the "austerity years"! Wonder what that makes Ranieri?

Everything. Everything we have said about him is true........
He is a fraud and a liar and a coward. Always had money. Always.
Even during the "austerity years". £30mil per season was HUGE back then and he didnt fully utilise it or else he pissed it up against the wall

Mate. We have the ultimate proof don't we?

Point 1: Lord A-Hole is a professional liar. He will say or create anything to absolve himself.

2: We went into the season with over £80m in the bank available to spend on players. He due nothing. So who is to say there wasn't money before he wasn't spending?
Actually do you remember as far back as 2007/8 (think). Keith Edelman was one of our directors and he grew tired of reading bullshit stories about how Wenker was "short of funds". So he came out and did an interview where he clearly exposed Wenker and confirmed that plenty of funds were available. Wenker was furious and guess what? Edelman was sacked weeks after that interview.

Just a reminder that during those "austerity years" our wage bill went up every single year. It was higher back in 2007 than Leicester's is now!

AKBs must be distraught tonight. Never mind, the pricks will regroup and invent a new one...hmmmm maybe those Panama tax haven leaks are to blame

[armchair]

Thats exactly how Ozil was signed imo. Gazidis was banging on in the press bout how Arsenal had transfer funds available and were gonna spend BIG. So what does Wenger do? He only goes and offers 40mil + 1 pound for Suarez.

A pound ffs!
Talk about embarrassment.

Thats when Gazidis went over his head and got Ozil in the bag. Yes it was spun that he wanted to play for Arsene blah, blah. But I'll tell you Mesut Ozil is defo not "Arsene Wengers man" now.

[Clash]

What's this about Henry Winter absolutely eviscerating Wenger at an AST meeting? When did a mainstream journalist grow a pair of testicles and open their eyes?

Obviously Wenger has been a prissy little prick one time too many and seriously put Winter's nose out of joint to persuade him to go out on such a limb and piss off so many AKBs.

Wenger will undoubtedly be questioned on it and hopefully as usual he won't be able to resist some smart condescending swipe at Winter and the media at large. Would love to see this spat escalate and get uglier.

To be fair to winter, he has been a long term defender of wenger but this season he has finally seen the crock of shit for what it is, and has criticised wenger on numerous occasions I think that it is fair to say that HW would probably viewed as THE most respected footie journo in England, so his motives wont be questioned and nor will his opinions be rubbished as easily

I do think Winter is pretty good and better late than never I suppose. But how good a journalist is he really if it took him this long to see what has been obvious for years ?

I know nobody follows a club with the same scrutiny as its fans do but I sometimes wonder what these journalist guys have been watching for the last decade. They are meant to be experts after all. Journalism and punditry is a load of bollocks in the main though.

[Ikechukwu1]

Thats exactly how Ozil was signed imo. Gazidis was banging on in the press bout how Arsenal had transfer funds available and were gonna spend BIG. So what does Wenger do? He only goes and offers 40mil + 1 pound for Suarez.

A pound ffs!
Talk about embarrassment.

Thats when Gazidis went over his head and got Ozil in the bag. Yes it was spun that he wanted to play for Arsene blah, blah. But I'll tell you Mesut Ozil is defo not "Arsene Wengers man" now.

Want to know the worst thing about that Suarez piss-take bid? There are STILL plenty of Arsenal fans that defend that pathetic bid. Honestly.

[augie]

As you said yourself, the journo's cover all teams so they wouldn't be as tuned in regarding our problems as we would be. I think that it is also fair to say that the respect that most journo's have for wenger, has probably restricted their ability to assess his performances clinically although they would probably dispute that. I would see it as a similar situation to the way I don't slag arteta - yes the guy is past it, but the total commitment he showed since the day he signed (including having to take a pay cut when he joined from his everton salary ffs ) has probably insulated him from my wrath (although if he was playing regularly I might take a different stance )

[VoiceOfReason]

Thats exactly how Ozil was signed imo. Gazidis was banging on in the press bout how Arsenal had transfer funds available and were gonna spend BIG. So what does Wenger do? He only goes and offers 40mil + 1 pound for Suarez.

A pound ffs!
Talk about embarrassment.

Thats when Gazidis went over his head and got Ozil in the bag. Yes it was spun that he wanted to play for Arsene blah, blah. But I'll tell you Mesut Ozil is defo not "Arsene Wengers man" now.

Want to know the worst thing about that Suarez piss-take bid? There are STILL plenty of Arsenal fans that defend that pathetic bid. Honestly.

I'm about as 'Wenger Out' as they come, but bizarrely enough, this is the one incident over the past decade where I actually don't blame him. In fact, I thought it was quite clever (even though it didn't work).

The way I understand it, Liverpool hadn't rejected the £40m bid - they were simply unable to entertain the idea (legally) because of a clause in his contract. Thus, to get the notion on the table, they had to trigger the contract clause for it to be a discussion. As it turned out, Liverpool said no, but they would have said no to £42m, £43m or £45m as it turned out anyway. Suarez wasn't coming to Arsenal, and that was that.

It wasn't a piss-take in that the club weren't willing to value him at any more than £1 above the asking price; they valued him at £40m and were simply testing the waters.

[armchair]

Thats exactly how Ozil was signed imo. Gazidis was banging on in the press bout how Arsenal had transfer funds available and were gonna spend BIG. So what does Wenger do? He only goes and offers 40mil + 1 pound for Suarez.

A pound ffs!
Talk about embarrassment.

Thats when Gazidis went over his head and got Ozil in the bag. Yes it was spun that he wanted to play for Arsene blah, blah. But I'll tell you Mesut Ozil is defo not "Arsene Wengers man" now.

Want to know the worst thing about that Suarez piss-take bid? There are STILL plenty of Arsenal fans that defend that pathetic bid. Honestly.

And as a follow up to that, another good point Winter made was about whether Wenger was a draw for top players?
Apparantely not so much. The cash and location seem to be a bigger draw than Wenger.

[armchair]

Oh no!
Winters arguments have just been totally discredited by Wenger supporters.

Why? I hear you ask.......



Isnt it obvious? Its because hes never managed a team a day in his life and obviously knows fa bout football.
Oh well, I thought we had him there.

[MrT]

Thats exactly how Ozil was signed imo. Gazidis was banging on in the press bout how Arsenal had transfer funds available and were gonna spend BIG. So what does Wenger do? He only goes and offers 40mil + 1 pound for Suarez.

A pound ffs!
Talk about embarrassment.

Thats when Gazidis went over his head and got Ozil in the bag. Yes it was spun that he wanted to play for Arsene blah, blah. But I'll tell you Mesut Ozil is defo not "Arsene Wengers man" now.

Want to know the worst thing about that Suarez piss-take bid? There are STILL plenty of Arsenal fans that defend that pathetic bid. Honestly.

I'm about as 'Wenger Out' as they come, but bizarrely enough, this is the one incident over the past decade where I actually don't blame him. In fact, I thought it was quite clever (even though it didn't work).

The way I understand it, Liverpool hadn't rejected the £40m bid - they were simply unable to entertain the idea (legally) because of a clause in his contract. Thus, to get the notion on the table, they had to trigger the contract clause for it to be a discussion. As it turned out, Liverpool said no, but they would have said no to £42m, £43m or £45m as it turned out anyway. Suarez wasn't coming to Arsenal, and that was that.

It wasn't a piss-take in that the club weren't willing to value him at any more than £1 above the asking price; they valued him at £40m and were simply testing the waters.

Not buying that. You simply make an offer they can't refuse. A few reported that a bid of at least 50-55 would have done it. The amount didn't matter either way, the initial bid was enough to trigger the release clause. The dippers lied about it because they were rightly pissed off by the bid since some obvious tapping up occurred with his agent and they didn't want to lose their star asset. Had this gone to court we would have won. But, as we all know, Wenger doesn't like confrontation.

[armchair]

45 would have got him. But 45 + £1 would have been just as big an insult as 40 + £1.

It was always the +£1 that fucked it. Not clever at all. Fucking stupid if you ask me........unless of course he didnt actually want to sign a big name, troublesome player who wanted trophys cause it might upset the gravytrain.

In that case it actually was clever.

[Ikechukwu1]

Thats exactly how Ozil was signed imo. Gazidis was banging on in the press bout how Arsenal had transfer funds available and were gonna spend BIG. So what does Wenger do? He only goes and offers 40mil + 1 pound for Suarez.

A pound ffs!
Talk about embarrassment.

Thats when Gazidis went over his head and got Ozil in the bag. Yes it was spun that he wanted to play for Arsene blah, blah. But I'll tell you Mesut Ozil is defo not "Arsene Wengers man" now.

Want to know the worst thing about that Suarez piss-take bid? There are STILL plenty of Arsenal fans that defend that pathetic bid. Honestly.

I'm about as 'Wenger Out' as they come, but bizarrely enough, this is the one incident over the past decade where I actually don't blame him. In fact, I thought it was quite clever (even though it didn't work).

The way I understand it, Liverpool hadn't rejected the £40m bid - they were simply unable to entertain the idea (legally) because of a clause in his contract. Thus, to get the notion on the table, they had to trigger the contract clause for it to be a discussion. As it turned out, Liverpool said no, but they would have said no to £42m, £43m or £45m as it turned out anyway. Suarez wasn't coming to Arsenal, and that was that.

It wasn't a piss-take in that the club weren't willing to value him at any more than £1 above the asking price; they valued him at £40m and were simply testing the waters.

With all due respect: what on earth are you on about? Can we please evaluate this fairly: that buyout clause was supposed to be a secret. Suarez' agent tipped off the club. He wasn't supposed to. Instead of bidding a round figure - as ALL clubs do, they added "+1". Plenty of clubs have triggered buyout clauses. Examples: Chelski triggered Diego Costa's £35m Claude from Atletico. And Lukaku's at Anderlecht. ManYoo triggered Fellaini's. These were all triggers at market value. NOBODY adds "+£1" - unless you're trying to be a smarty-bollocks and let them know that "you know". The minute that bid landed on Liverpool table they dug their heels in and rightly so. If it had been eg Citeh doing that to us I would have told them to do one.
Suarez wanted to come but when that bid came in, it showed how non professional and not serious Wenker and the club were. 19 out of 20 PL clubs laughed at that pathetic bid for a reason: it's a farce.
And yet, we have some defending it.
You don't know that £42m wouldn't have happened because we never bid again. You just like to think it!

Please remember this is a manager who went to Fulham and bid half a mil for Schwarzer. When they asked for £1.5m he said piss off and instead gave double that to Almunia in wages each year. The same manager who approached Moyes with an £11m bid for Jagielka and when Moyes laughed him out he returned end of the window with the exact same bid. The same manager who went to Leverkusen with a £17m bid for Lars Bender and when they asked for £30m, returned with £18m.
IR have you forgotten his joke bids for Draxler?

Look at these patterns of consistent arrogance please - it ain't a "negotiating tactic". Just an arrogant C U Next Tuesday trying to prove he "knows".

The Suarez bid was a joke. You start with a £42m bid and work upwards from there, or if you wanna be proper tight bid £40.5m.

Not having that

[Ikechukwu1]

From the BBC Sports page, on Football Leaks revelations:

"Neymar's Barcelona contract has been leaked and it shows the 24-year-old Brazil forward earns £77,000 a week and has a £153m buyout clause. (Daily Mail)"[/b]

Giroud: £120k a week
Ramsey: £100k a week
Wankpot: £140k a week
Rosicky: £80k a week
Mertesacker: £80k a week
Welbeck: £110k a week

Neymar: £77k a week. I would trade all the above mentioned shite for just one Neymar. Any day.

Also noticed that Giroud/Theo/Welbz have combined wages of over £350k a week but yet, put together, they have scored less league goals than Kane or Vardy. Basically, one Kane on his £80k a week smashes the trio of useless preening c*** managed by Le Grand C***.

Yet he will be making a "radical overhaul"

[officepest]

I was going to post that neymar story. Baba; are you feeling calm?

[Wilson]

The way he runs the club like we are some middle of the road club with limited resources and infrastructure is a scandal. Arsenal are a big club, with the highest match day revenues in Europe given the ticket prices. Yet Wenger projects the image Arsenal are a smaller club relative to others, and its because of him that we even get to play in Europe. What kind of sick joke is it, to think we owe it to Wenger for qualifying got the CL? I would say given Arsenal fans offer up more money to the club, than other fans offer to their club, that we pay out own way into the CL. Highest match day revenue in Europe - yet all Arsene has to do is finish 4th in England.

Its a flat out Fing lie to believe Arsenal are not swimming in cash. The money is there, yet Wenger chooses not to spend because he has turned Arsenal into his pet project, and wants to win 'his way'. Yet at the same time, he has no problems drawing the 3rd highest salary in Europe. Arsenal fans pay the most in Europe - our team is seriously under invested in, yet Wenger, and Kroenke make a killing. It really is hard not to believe Wenger, Gazidis and Kroenke are part of a ponzi scheme.

I think the banners are being too polite. As make no mistake about it, the suffering and disappointment endured over the last 10 years has been unavoidable. Wenger does not deserve respect, or even a nice send off. If I had my way, his crimes would be read out, and he would be marched out the door, exposed for what he really is. He doesn't have the clubs interest at heart. I genuinely believe he views Arsenal as a pet toy, and a vehicle from which he can experiment with. He holds the fans in contempt, and thinks we should be honored by his mere presence. He is arrogant, narcissistic, and has an inflated view of himself. He doesnt go into every season exploring every measure in order for Arsenal to be successful, as he thinks he owns the club and can do whatever he wants whilst being exempt from criticism. Then when he is criticized, he reads of a list of non-achievements.

He doesnt deserve respect, at all.


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[Jon]

Not allowed to wish him dead. But sure to hell wish he'd never been born.