Wenger Out protest thread

[Yankee_Gooner_Dandee]

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This is brilliant. Maybe if "Wenger Out" becomes an international meme it can carry some weight to the higher ups.

Doubtful, but we can hope can't we?

[GoonerMuzz]

Not sure any of us have the right to call people on whether they are real Gooners or not depending on whether they support the protests or not but i sure as hell know that some people would be put of joining the protests because of that sort of attitude

I wont go to the protests because i can't but also because i disagree with the target, but that's my personal opinion and i applaud those of you organising and attending them for doing something, but to call people not real Gooners because they disagree with you is well out of order.

I remember at Highbury many nights or weekends where the crowd was as low as 25000 back in the day, we now have a 60000 seat stadium with some of the highest ticket prices in Europe, of course the demographic is going to change but as said before i know quite a few old school Gooners who don't go to games any more, myself included, but i'd never say they weren't Gooners and it does your protests no good to imply that people who don't attend, are apathetic or don't want to join in are not 'Real Gooners', in fact it smacks of unbelievable arrogance and conceit.

Those spouting this sort of rhetoric are really not endearing themselves or the purpose of the protests to any of the supporters who may pop on here to see whats what due to the media attention the protests are getting at the moment.

[Bob Bayliss]

Not sure any of us have the right to call people on whether they are real Gooners or not depending on whether they support the protests or not but i sure as hell know that some people would be put of joining the protests because of that sort of attitude

I wont go to the protests because i can't but also because i disagree with the target, but that's my personal opinion and i applaud those of you organising and attending them for doing something, but to call people not real Gooners because they disagree with you is well out of order.

I remember at Highbury many nights or weekends where the crowd was as low as 25000 back in the day, we now have a 60000 seat stadium with some of the highest ticket prices in Europe, of course the demographic is going to change but as said before i know quite a few old school Gooners who don't go to games any more, myself included, but i'd never say they weren't Gooners and it does your protests no good to imply that people who don't attend, are apathetic or don't want to join in are not 'Real Gooners', in fact it smacks of unbelievable arrogance and conceit.

Those spouting this sort of rhetoric are really not endearing themselves or the purpose of the protests to any of the supporters who may pop on here to see whats what due to the media attention the protests are getting at the moment.

I don't think anyone would suggest that the vast swathes of "old school" Gooners who don't go to games any more for various reasons are not "real Gooners". I sincerely hope not, as I am one. I was a regular at Highbury (and briefly the Emirates) for 40 years, travelled regularly away in my younger days and to Europe too.

But it is not arrogance to wonder why so many people who clearly still have a deep affection for the club and remember it as it was are prepared to accept the status quo, which is as far removed from the 'Arsenal' I loved all my life as I can imagine. I would love to understand their rationale. Is it that they actually disagree that we need a change (the recent AST survey of a cross-section of fans suggests that is unlikely), or that they don't have the appetite to attend even a peaceful protest because there are other things going on in their lives now they have stopped going to football? I genuinely want to know why they don't think it worth getting involved.

I can only speak for myself, but I don't recognise the club any more, I don't feel remotely proud of the owner, manager, or (with one exception) those who wear the red shirt. I basically have two choices - to turn my back or to fight, and fight again, for the values of the club which meant so much to me. Just because I find it hard to comprehend fellow old school Gooners who don't attend, still profess to care about the club yet don't do all they can to protest at its relentlessly depressing direction of travel, please don't call me arrogant.

[NickF]

I wont go to the protests because i can't but also because i disagree with the target, but that's my personal opinion and i applaud those of you organising and attending them for doing something, but to call people not real Gooners because they disagree with you is well out of order.

You don't think we should be targeting Wenger????????

Don't think anyone has called people who don't agree with the cause "not real gooners". I think people are generally talking about people who wear half and half scarf (especially when one half is West Ham) and spend most of the time on their mobiles. We all know the type.

[armchair]

...............I wont go to the protests because i can't but also because i disagree with the target...........

You dont think Wenger should be targeted?
Now Ive defo heard all the excuses for doing nothing.

Oh by the way, who we talking about here then?........#flipflop

.............So i ask other than shouting abuse at the man at every opportunity how exactly are we supposed to make our point? Banners, A4 posters etc have had exactly zero real effect, but in reality i'm not even sure shouting abuse at him will have any more effect.

In fact to be honest the media have actually had a field day making our fans out to be petulant and ungrateful, 's recently.

I actually despair of our fan base, so many sets of other fans have been more than able to put massive pressure on unwanted managers and get rid if them yet at AFC we spend more time criticising each other and picking holes than actually organising something meaningful.

I actually think due to the divisions in our fan base we are in many ways getting exactly what we deserve.

[xisstential]

Not sure any of us have the right to call people on whether they are real Gooners or not depending on whether they support the protests or not but i sure as hell know that some people would be put of joining the protests because of that sort of attitude

I wont go to the protests because i can't but also because i disagree with the target, but that's my personal opinion and i applaud those of you organising and attending them for doing something, but to call people not real Gooners because they disagree with you is well out of order.

I remember at Highbury many nights or weekends where the crowd was as low as 25000 back in the day, we now have a 60000 seat stadium with some of the highest ticket prices in Europe, of course the demographic is going to change but as said before i know quite a few old school Gooners who don't go to games any more, myself included, but i'd never say they weren't Gooners and it does your protests no good to imply that people who don't attend, are apathetic or don't want to join in are not 'Real Gooners', in fact it smacks of unbelievable arrogance and conceit.

Those spouting this sort of rhetoric are really not endearing themselves or the purpose of the protests to any of the supporters who may pop on here to see whats what due to the media attention the protests are getting at the moment.

If you think that getting rid of Kroenke will change Wenger......??? How anybody can believe a word that comes out of that arrogant fucking despots mouth is beyond me. And I don't think we can do one single thing to put people off, most people who go to the games couldn't give a flying fuck, they have been brainwashed by Wenger to believe we are a Top 4 club...In fact only a Top 4 club because he has us punching above our weight...without his genius would be fighting relegation. The damage he has brought to the club is incalculable, there is a culture of mediocrity that runs from the board through the fans, right down to the players The sooner we get him out the sooner we can start on Kroenke.

[Retro Gunner]

Not sure any of us have the right to call people on whether they are real Gooners or not depending on whether they support the protests or not but i sure as hell know that some people would be put of joining the protests because of that sort of attitude

I wont go to the protests because i can't but also because i disagree with the target, but that's my personal opinion and i applaud those of you organising and attending them for doing something, but to call people not real Gooners because they disagree with you is well out of order.

I remember at Highbury many nights or weekends where the crowd was as low as 25000 back in the day, we now have a 60000 seat stadium with some of the highest ticket prices in Europe, of course the demographic is going to change but as said before i know quite a few old school Gooners who don't go to games any more, myself included, but i'd never say they weren't Gooners and it does your protests no good to imply that people who don't attend, are apathetic or don't want to join in are not 'Real Gooners', in fact it smacks of unbelievable arrogance and conceit.

Those spouting this sort of rhetoric are really not endearing themselves or the purpose of the protests to any of the supporters who may pop on here to see whats what due to the media attention the protests are getting at the moment.

To be fair GoonerMuzz, as the other guys have said, I can't see where anyone has said that those not backing the protests aren't real Gooners. It seems that inignited this debate and my stance was quite the opposite to what you suggest. I'm completely unconvinced by this idea that it's the "jcl's" (no one has yet really offered an opinion of what exactly constitutes a Jcl) and tourists that are the mainstay of either wenger supporters, or the apathetic mass, but think it is, indeed, "proper" Gooners who fill those camps. I suppose your position as an undoubted Gooner, yet apparently without a "Wenger Out" position, backs up my belief.

Brady's point was that the jcl's and tourists (the half and half scarf brigade) were the Wengerites and were not proper Gooners......not because they don't support Wenger out, but because of their scarves, selfie sticks and Armoury fuelled fashion sense.

Neither of us actually said that being pro Wenger precludes one from being a Gooner. Personally, I just fail to understand how a passionate Gooner can still not want him gone (and there are no end of them), but that's a different argument.

[Gunnersaurus]

I don't come on the boards that much anymore, migrated more to twitter now but I'm guessing a lot don't want to get involved (based on what I see there) is because they associate protests with the gobby circus acts from AFTV.

Let's not dress it up, they are pond life and doubt anyone wants to be viewed as being behind them, shame as if they wasn't so involved in the first banner (publicly) then I reckon it may have had more support.

The AFTV lot are disliked universaly by most (not all) but I'd say the majority of matchday fans want nothing to do with them and will pick Wenger over them if they had one bullet.

[Bradywasking]

On Twitter yesterday ( which doesn't mean it's true) a bloke said he had a banner confisicated by stewards on Wednesday night.. Went onto say once the stewards realised it was a Pro Wenger banner they returned it to him..

[NickF]

On Twitter yesterday ( which doesn't mean it's true) a bloke said he had a banner confisicated by stewards on Wednesday night.. Went onto say once the stewards realised it was a Pro Wenger banner they returned it to him..

Based on experience, this is not true. They will not stop you going in with banners and they don't check what is on them. After the first march my backpack was full of banners and they didn't bat an eyelid.

They did confiscate banners at City away last season and were roundly criticized for doing so.

[augie]

Tbh, right now I have lost the will to live - the (predicted) easy result against the shammers, the airing of to1aw during the game, the apparent easing off all pressure on the old c.unt to fcuk off, allied to the fact that all I see (both here and in the media) is how he is definitely going to sign the new deal, has left me feeling that my time as a Gooner is coming to an end It was one thing for the board and some fans to stick by the senile arrogant c.unt whilst he was still under contract, but to have this golden opportunity to change things and not take that chance, goes way beyond the point of shameful - the media have openly turned against him and it is clear that a large percentage of fans have turned against him too, so these w**kers have all the excuses necessary to replace him, and appear to be endorsing this continual failure Please don't give us any bullsh*t about how he is gonna implement changes this summer, cos even chief cock sucker cross is saying in todays mirror that those changes will not be accepted by wenker What that tells us is that failure is acceptable now both inside the club and in the fanbase, and I hope to god that WHEN (not if) he gets anally raped by the big clubs again next season, those c.unts that felt it would be disrespectful to protest against him, are also getting raped without Vaseline by some 25 stone sweat covered sexual deviant

Why wont he just fcuk off ? Even if it was in a pine box it would be acceptable

[northbank123]

Thinking back to that West Brom game in particular and all those banners held up during the last ten minutes and after the end, can anybody think of the last time there was that scale of visible protest by a PL club's fans against its manager? Only time that springs to mind is Steve Kean, which was an even bigger debacle that this.

The point is that there is nothing remotely controversial about Gazidis' 2011 quote about managers being accountable to fans. Take a step back and try to realise just how unusual and extreme it is to be in the position of protest marches and banners at games. That would be enough to get rid of any other clubs manager a long time ago.

[northbank123]

Augie I wouldn't bother getting wound up about the West Ham game.

The scale and coverage of the protests and banners and the significant turn in the media (coupled with consistently pathetic performances) has exceeded anything which could reasonably have been expected in my opinion.

Although I would love for the protests and limp-dicked surrenders to continue, Nothing that happens between now and the end of the season will change whether or not he stays. The board's decision is made and so is Wenger's, even if we are not worthy of knowing yet.

[xisstential]

Augie I wouldn't bother getting wound up about the West Ham game.

The scale and coverage of the protests and banners and the significant turn in the media (coupled with consistently pathetic performances) has exceeded anything which could reasonably have been expected in my opinion.

Although I would love for the protests and limp-dicked surrenders to continue, Nothing that happens between now and the end of the season will change whether or not he stays. The board's decision is made and so is Wenger's, even if we are not worthy of knowing yet.

Maybe....but I still feel we need to embarrass them and make life as difficult as possible for them...it is so difficult to keep the momentum going, it is difficult to get people who profess to wanting him out to even help. The pressure needs to stay on, we just have no idea how. We cannot even find ONE person sympathetic to the cause who is going to be at the Palace game

[General]

We just have to wait and see how the team negotiates the Palace and Boro games. I still retain the faint hope that Le fraud staying is far from a forgone conclusion and I think eventually it would come down to results.

There is talk of security being beefed up around the training ground this morning.