THE WENGER THREAD

[officepest]

Here's the thing: this thread was started eight years ago. Go back and read the first few posts.

Let that sink in. Fans (and I include myself in this) started suggesting that Wenger needs to be given "one more year" eight years ago.

This whole debate gets diluted when you make it too complex. so let's keep it simple;

If Arsene Wenger had been manager of Leicester City at the start of the season, do you think he would have got them to where they are? If your answer is "yes" you are lying to yourself.

If your answer is "no" then you've arrived at your moment of enlightenment. If he was going to win us the league again he would have done it by now.

So, if we take it that he will not win us the league again, then what is the point of keeping him? Change is needed, but not yet? I do not understand that at all.

Sure, objectively speaking our club is in a good position compared to most others, but don't forget, our fans pay the highest prices in world football. We were promised that our brand new stadium would allow us to compete with Europe's elite.

Does keeping a manager who no longer has what it takes to win the league show a level of ambition that is in proportion with the price of the tickets? Are we really competing with Europe's elite?

Breaking up is hard and oftentimes scary, but the longer we wait to do it, the more of the club's time and the fan's money gets wasted.

What he said.

[Perryashburtongroves]

Perhaps in any other club, the players would have forced him out by now. But, there are only three- Ozil, Welbz and Sanchez- that are proper footballers who have been at big clubs who have seen what should be happening. The rest of them are lettuce leaf cowards who only know Wanker's methods or who have been given a chance to move from a shit club to us and are grateful to him. At Man. Utd, Chavs, Bin dippers, the players wouldn't have stood for this nonsense and would have rebelled. At our place though, the big names just leave and get replaced by total nobodies on huge money and so nothing happens.

[Robin_L]

For those who are delusional enough to think that Wenger will have an epiphany and make several world class signings, well yesterday was a sign of things to come. Next season will see Giroud miss more sitters, Ramsey will be ineffective as usual, and as for signings, we will sign no one, or rather no one who will improve the team. Wanker will again claim the likes of Giroud, Ramsey, Coquelin etc. are world class. The only transfer news involving the club, will be Sanchez and Ozil leaving the club.

It will be fascinating as we know Arteta, Flamini, and Mert are going, and possibly 2 or 3 from Ox, Theo, Campbell, Sanchez and Ozil.
So that's 5 at least, maybe 6
Sanogo will be back again, as will Jenkinson, but that leaves 4 places in an already weak squad.
I wonder if it feels now is the time to reintroduce his Chambers at centre half project, v Man City.

You mean Arteta, Flamini and Rosicky. The German stays one more year, alongside Cazorla.

Laughably, I can't see any major additions by Wenger. He'll trim some of the fat around the edges like the above-named players and just claim that Gabriel / Elneny will be more solid in their 2nd seasons and that the whole squad as a group will be another year more experienced with the requisite spireet and beeleef that of COURSE comes along with it.

Think the big casualty could be Oxlade-Chamberlain although he's not coming along here at all, might as well sell him back to Southampton. Ditto Wilshere but we know he'll still be around in August.

[augie]

Here's the thing: this thread was started eight years ago. Go back and read the first few posts.

Let that sink in. Fans (and I include myself in this) started suggesting that Wenger needs to be given "one more year" eight years ago.

This whole debate gets diluted when you make it too complex. so let's keep it simple;

If Arsene Wenger had been manager of Leicester City at the start of the season, do you think he would have got them to where they are? If your answer is "yes" you are lying to yourself.

If your answer is "no" then you've arrived at your moment of enlightenment. If he was going to win us the league again he would have done it by now.

So, if we take it that he will not win us the league again, then what is the point of keeping him? Change is needed, but not yet? I do not understand that at all.

Sure, objectively speaking our club is in a good position compared to most others, but don't forget, our fans pay the highest prices in world football. We were promised that our brand new stadium would allow us to compete with Europe's elite.

Does keeping a manager who no longer has what it takes to win the league show a level of ambition that is in proportion with the price of the tickets? Are we really competing with Europe's elite?

Breaking up is hard and oftentimes scary, but the longer we wait to do it, the more of the club's time and the fan's money gets wasted.

Good to see that your posts, whilst not as frequent anymore, are still bang on the money like they used to be

Somewhat sad to see a quality mod like TS rarely post on here anymore, but yet the shit mods like DB10 and flash find the time to post shite all too often

[Clash]

From Oliver Holt on twitter: "spoiled little rich boys complaining because their pricey season tickets haven't bought them the title doesn't do it for me".
These journalist seem to be resembling Wenger in their level of arrogance

So because you have an Arsenal season ticket that makes you a rich boy does it?

Holt is one of the main journalists and also does TV work. All in a sport that exploded beyond recognition in terms of the coverage it gets. So the sickening truth is that it is Holt himself that is probably a millionaire now.

[BFG4]

I'm seriously beginning to question, how I can continue to support the club. This weekend was a real eye opener, as to how untouchable Wenger is at the club. He openly slags off the fans, on the eve of the game, but gets huge support from the fans, and also in many parts of the media. The reality is, not only will he sign a contract extension next season, but there is very little stopping him from extending his stay beyond 2019. In the event that he has had enough, he will more than likely move upstairs, and dictate the every move of whatever puppet is brought in to replace him. If his health remains good, then we could be stuck with him for the best part of a decade. So that's 10 more years of arrogance, disrespect, lies, and baffling decisions, like sticking with players like Giroud, Ramsey etc. I love this club, but the idea of another decade with this wanker, makes me sick.

[scotgooner]

What makes this farce incredible for me?

If you put a gun to these AKB , journalists , ex players etc heads and said "is Arsene Wenger the best man to improve Arsenal and if you are wrong you are getting shot in the temple"

Every single one despite their ridiculous delusion would say no.

These people are literally lying to what their instinct is telling them.

I simply don't understand it and even when he finally goes I still never will.

When we FINALLY get another manager and win things again (which we will I am convinced) these creatures don't deserve to enjoy the success.

[BFG4]

What makes this farce incredible for me?

If you put a gun to these AKB , journalists , ex players etc heads and said "is Arsene Wenger the best man to improve Arsenal and if you are wrong you are getting shot in the temple"

Every single one despite their ridiculous delusion would say no.

These people are literally lying to what their instinct is telling them.

I simply don't understand it and even when he finally goes I still never will.

When we FINALLY get another manager and win things again (which we will I am convinced) these creatures don't deserve to enjoy the success.

It says it all, when their biggest comeback is to tell anyone who is Wenger out, to go support Chelsea, Spurs etc. I had a guy tell me the other day, that if I didn't like the product, then don't go to games, or support the club. So either blindly follow, or fuck off. The bit that gets to me, is when some Wenger outs say, "the AKB'S have a different view point to us, but we are all fans". As far as I'm concerned, if you put the interests of one man over the interests of the club, then you aren't a fan.

[Redarmy]

Wenger commenting on yesterdays protests...

"It was a bit of a strange atmosphere. We have to live with that. Some fans were protesting, yes, but a big majority didn`t and the big majority was behind the team. They showed that they appreciate what I`ve done until now, so it`s alright".

There you go he has taken that as a mandate too carry on with a job going well......the project continues

[northbank123]

Holt is a prick - clearly has an inferiority complex about money. Like all journalists he Rams our constant collapses down our throat and gave us constant reminders of X years without a trophy - yet as soon as the fans raise the same points we are petulant, greedy, unrealistic, spoilt etc.

[xisstential]

I'm seriously beginning to question, how I can continue to support the club. This weekend was a real eye opener, as to how untouchable Wenger is at the club. He openly slags off the fans, on the eve of the game, but gets huge support from the fans, and also in many parts of the media. The reality is, not only will he sign a contract extension next season, but there is very little stopping him from extending his stay beyond 2019. In the event that he has had enough, he will more than likely move upstairs, and dictate the every move of whatever puppet is brought in to replace him. If his health remains good, then we could be stuck with him for the best part of a decade. So that's 10 more years of arrogance, disrespect, lies, and baffling decisions, like sticking with players like Giroud, Ramsey etc. I love this club, but the idea of another decade with this wanker, makes me sick.

If Wenger moves upstairs, no decent manager will come to us. So once again he'll get what he wants.. a puppet, when things go well he'll be his man, look who I brought you... if it goes badly he'll say "I told you to be careful what you wish for".

The only way we'll get shot of this truly dreadful man is if he dies. I hope we have the season from hell next season, I really do, the wheels need to come off and the roof needs to cave in completely and it needs to happen on his watch.

[northbank123]

Wenger won't move upstairs because it will not placate a single one of his detractors and no decent manager would dream of coming.

It is a concern however that he will have a big say in his successor. Let's hope not.

[Henry Norris 1913]

2 trophies in 11 years, and yet he is afforded god like status.

[Redarmy]

Honestly think this thread could be running another 5 years so........

[GoonerMuzz]

To those wishing for a collapse next year, be careful what you wish for

Bare in mind that the one thing which might attract a top manager to the club post-Wenger could well be European football, believe you me if we didn't attract a top manager and have European competition then the financial handcuffs would be on tighter than Spuddy's chastity belt (allegedly) which in turn could mean rolling about mid-table for a lot longer than we expect.

The years of Arsenal being an attractive prospect may be long gone by the time he leaves and when a manager looking in, sees what Stan and Arsene have done to the club, and then compares it to other possibilities around especially with increased revenues from the upcoming TV deal much as i hate to admit it we might just not be as attractive considering the effort required to rebuild without money readily available.

I know we all like to think we are the hottest ticket in London, and currently we probably are but a sudden collapse down the table and no European football might not be attractive to the level of manager we require to rebuild us and honestly deserve after the last 12 years.

Oh and for those about to say a young up and coming manager would be ok, for most of us it might be but lets be honest the AKBs will crucify the first 2 or 3 managers who are not instantly successful whilst Arsene sits there smuggly rubbing his hands together and feeling vindicated.

Scary shit what we may have to endure for the rest of his tenure and then afterwards and please, for once look at what i have said rationally instead of immediately jumping on the Arsenal are the greatest, most attractive prospect, history rose tinted glasses arguments some of you use to justify things every-time.

Right now we may be able to attract just about any manager out there, but in another year or two with other clubs pushing on and us slipping back it might not be so easy whether we like it or not