THE WENGER THREAD

[Redarmy]

To those wishing for a collapse next year, be careful what you wish for

Bare in mind that the one thing which might attract a top manager to the club post-Wenger could well be European football, believe you me if we didn't attract a top manager and have European competition then the financial handcuffs would be on tighter than Spuddy's chastity belt (allegedly) which in turn could mean rolling about mid-table for a lot longer than we expect.

The years of Arsenal being an attractive prospect may be long gone by the time he leaves and when a manager looking in, sees what Stan and Arsene have done to the club, and then compares it to other possibilities around especially with increased revenues from the upcoming TV deal much as i hate to admit it we might just not be as attractive considering the effort required to rebuild without money readily available.

I know we all like to think we are the hottest ticket in London, and currently we probably are but a sudden collapse down the table and no European football might not be attractive to the level of manager we require to rebuild us and honestly deserve after the last 12 years.

Oh and for those about to say a young up and coming manager would be ok, for most of us it might be but lets be honest the AKBs will crucify the first 2 or 3 managers who are not instantly successful whilst Arsene sits there smuggly rubbing his hands together and feeling vindicated.

Scary shit what we may have to endure for the rest of his tenure and then afterwards and please, for once look at what i have said rationally instead of immediately jumping on the Arsenal are the greatest, most attractive prospect, history rose tinted glasses arguments some of you use to justify things every-time.

Right now we may be able to attract just about any manager out there, but in another year or two with other clubs pushing on and us slipping back it might not be so easy whether we like it or not

think the £8 million a year will make it attractive enough

[xisstential]

To those wishing for a collapse next year, be careful what you wish for

Bare in mind that the one thing which might attract a top manager to the club post-Wenger could well be European football, believe you me if we didn't attract a top manager and have European competition then the financial handcuffs would be on tighter than Spuddy's chastity belt (allegedly) which in turn could mean rolling about mid-table for a lot longer than we expect.

The years of Arsenal being an attractive prospect may be long gone by the time he leaves and when a manager looking in, sees what Stan and Arsene have done to the club, and then compares it to other possibilities around especially with increased revenues from the upcoming TV deal much as i hate to admit it we might just not be as attractive considering the effort required to rebuild without money readily available.

I know we all like to think we are the hottest ticket in London, and currently we probably are but a sudden collapse down the table and no European football might not be attractive to the level of manager we require to rebuild us and honestly deserve after the last 12 years.

Oh and for those about to say a young up and coming manager would be ok, for most of us it might be but lets be honest the AKBs will crucify the first 2 or 3 managers who are not instantly successful whilst Arsene sits there smuggly rubbing his hands together and feeling vindicated.

Scary shit what we may have to endure for the rest of his tenure and then afterwards and please, for once look at what i have said rationally instead of immediately jumping on the Arsenal are the greatest, most attractive prospect, history rose tinted glasses arguments some of you use to justify things every-time.

Right now we may be able to attract just about any manager out there, but in another year or two with other clubs pushing on and us slipping back it might not be so easy whether we like it or not

Who cares, seriously we are beyond all those scare tactics. If he continues to get 4th (soon to become top 6 as everyone continues to improve) he'll stay for another decade. The only thing that will DRIVE him out is failure, complete & utter failure. He is in the middle of continuously failing now yet it gets dressed as success. He needs to go and I will accept ANYTHING, short of relegation, to get rid of him. We'll get a manager, don't worry about that... Leicester were on the verge of relegation and now.......??? They got a manager. Believe me there are 100's of managers out there better than Wenger who would bite your hand off if they were offered the Arsenal job.

Any half arsed success (it's about to become Europa league qualification, believe me) and he will stay & stay & stay......... Failure on a cataclysmic scale is required, we need to be bottom half of the table for the whole of next season.

[VoiceOfReason]

Chelsea, Man City and Man Utd finish above us = how can we compete with that kind of money.

Chelsea, Man City and Man Utd finish below us = everyone's had a bad season, and these teams haven't won the league, so we shouldn't expect to either.

[VoiceOfReason]

The only way we'll get shot of this truly dreadful man is if he dies. I hope we have the season from hell next season, I really do, the wheels need to come off and the roof needs to cave in completely and it needs to happen on his watch.

I adopted this attitude back in 2011, but it hasn't made the slightest jot of difference and he can still blag fourth come hell or high water.

[xisstential]

The only way we'll get shot of this truly dreadful man is if he dies. I hope we have the season from hell next season, I really do, the wheels need to come off and the roof needs to cave in completely and it needs to happen on his watch.

I adopted this attitude back in 2011, but it hasn't made the slightest jot of difference and he can still blag fourth come hell or high water.

We are getting worse, others are getting better. And he, Wenger, is worse in his management "skills" than he has ever been. He stays I guarantee he won't get 4th next season. The bar will soon be lowered to top 6. Wenger will tell Kroenke, Europa League is just as good. And on we'll go... until he's not even able to get top 6, which tbh, I don't think is that far away.

[MrT]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/201 ... eason---b/

While the frustrations of the fans are understandable to those who have followed Arsenal closely for some time, it must be baffling for opposition supporters to see protests at a club that is still on course to qualify for the Champions League for a 19th successive season.

[Peeman]

http://metro.co.uk/2016/04/29/arsene-we ... l-5850729/



Probably already been posted coz I've seen parts quoted but apparently we should be more like The Victims

Arsene Wenger calls for Arsenal fans to be more like Liverpool

Arsene Wenger has urged Arsenal supporters to be more like Liverpool.
The Frenchman is currently enduring one his most difficult spells as Arsenal boss, battling fan protests as yet another Premier League title bid collapses mid-season leaving fourth place the only target remaining.
The Emirates stadium can be seen with thousands of empty seats as the season continues to wind down but Wenger, who has insisted his plans to see out his contract, has called for the fans to follow in the footsteps of Premier League rivals Liverpool.
Liverpool, who have always been known for their passionate Anfield support, have hit the headlines this season after their vociferous support inspired a famous comeback victory over Borussia Dortmund in the Europa League and Wenger has called for Arsenal fans to follow their lead:
‘You speak about Liverpool [and their atmosphere],’ he said. ‘It’s a good example to follow.


‘Look, I can understand the frustration of our fans, but as well, despite that, we want to support our team. The best chance you can give to the team is to be behind the team.
‘They should not question the character of these players because they are exceptional characters. We are disappointed, but we have to fight. We have to stick together
‘We lost the championship at home against the lower teams, but we played sometimes at home in a very difficult climate.
‘We have to realise that away from home we are championship winners.’


Is he deliberately on a one man wum session trying to see how much "the people who want him out but still sung for him" can take before they turn on poor old Mr I built Arsenal.


Next game I'm at I'll be coming home with hubcaps a plenty and I'm quitting my job signing on and gonna blame it on The Sun. Oh and I'll not sing all game and then in the 89th minute I'll belt out a rendition of You'll never walk alone (or is it work again) for the cameras

Friday May 26th 1989 without doubt the greatest night of my time supporting The Arsenal - AW telling us to be more like that shower of wankers is akin to saying we should be more like swamp dwellers - even "if" the victims were top of the range supporters - which they aren't, don't tell us to be more like them u dickhead. Hey that fella ur wife ran off with - be more like him he's a Topper Harley.


Why don't u be more like Paisley, Sir Taggart Whiskey Nose, Guardiola, Simeone, Ancelotti, Conte ie winners or at least devastated when u don't and not a cunte surrendering accepting not winning as a victory - Escape to Victory (only a film) the typical mentality not winning being hailed as a victory. Every winner we had and who were getting disillusioned and probably questioned his buying, tactics, desire were allowed to leave instead of being made to stay coz his ego genuinely thought he can replace these winners that could, should and would have stayed if he had've wanted them to and showed them that he was wanting more than the 4th place trophy the board were happy with. Vieira - the most important influential player we have ever had after years of staying was told while on holidays Juventus have made an offer for u and we've accepted it. He went on to win 5 more leagues. Cole as much as I obviously hate him now could have been avoided - the best left back in the world for years was shafted over £5000 and when u see whats gone on since wages wise is laughable, Van Judas, TH14, The Buck Tooth Lesbo, Chavregas all left to win things and had nothing to do with money as some would have u believe.

[Wilson]

Wenger again asking us fans to 'have faith'.

How many CEO's make decisions and then simply 'have faith'they will come off? Or do they do their homework, plan contingency operations should things go south, have back plans, and in general have made decisions based on thorough and hard evidence.

Rather than 'having faith', is it beyond Wenger to plan for a season based on reality? Look at Giroud's historical goal return, and deduce he wont be scoring 20 in the league and 30 in all competitions, as opposed to backing him and simply hoping he scores the goals. Or looking at the historical trend of capitulating, and then do something about it (deeper squad, more leaders on the pitch), instead of sticking with the same methods and simply hoping it wont happen this time around.

He has the wrong mindset if he thinks he will be rewarded for his idealism. He does not appreciate the cut throat nature of football, and unlike other managers, refuses to be a pragmatist and make realistic decisions based on the evidence. Walcott isnt going to come good, he is what he is - an average winger with a below par goal return. Wenger's persistence with Feo - is it 'faith', or a judgement call based on Feo's performances thus far? Because if Wenger is simply crossing the fingers and wishing Walcott to become a better player, then he is just like those ISIS fighters who think they can defeat the US war machine from the back of their White Toyota's - because they have 'faith' in the prophecy outlined by the leader of ISIS.

Wenger must see himself as one of those managers in a Disney movie - the leader of a bunch of misfits and in the end, gets his happy ending. Wenger must think its written in the stars that he will get a happy ending. But his 'faith' is horribly misguided and is unworthy of seriousness.I really believe Wenger thinks his 'faith' will be rewarded. However, back in reality, his 'faith' in players like Giroud, Walcott, Ramsey, and before them Denilson, Almunia, Diaby, is simply blind delusion that has cost him and the club.

He needs to give up the 'faith' shit. He wouldnt get in an airplane with a monkey as the pilot and just have 'faith' everything will ok. So why does he have the 'faith' going into a premier league season with players who have shown they no capacity they could win the league.

[Redarmy]

I think he still has red nose on his mind, he wants to stay longer than him, so at least another 6 years it is then.....

"You don't spend so many years at a club – like Sir Alex Ferguson spent 26 – without every minute of your time, you give your whole life for that and try to do as well as possible.

[northbank123]

If we were more like Liverpool supporters he would have been out of a job long ago.

[Redarmy]

If we were more like Liverpool supporters he would have been out of a job long ago.

you get what you deserve, the supporters at the Emirates are the worst in the country, let them have another 6 years of mediocrity

away fans up there with the best of them by the way

[augie]

If we were more like Liverpool supporters he would have been out of a job long ago.

you get what you deserve, the supporters at the Emirates are the worst in the country, let them have another 6 years of mediocrity

away fans up there with the best of them by the way

And yet the memory of the banner "who ever heard of cesc and nasri" on display after the 8-2 hammering at old shatford, still burns into my brain - that is up there with some of the worst and most embarrassing moments in my Gooner life

[xisstential]

Jamie Redknapp.................

I’ve covered the last three Arsenal matches and seeing their fans right now is like watching a teenage break-up.

Some want a clean break from Arsene Wenger but there’s still a lot of love there and most of them are willing to give it one more try.

Wenger is saying nothing to suggest he will walk away and the club are not going to get rid of him.

The demonstration was a waste of time but with Wenger the more people tell him to do something, the more resistant he becomes, particularly with transfers.

It’s obvious that Arsenal needed more firepower. Olivier Giroud hasn’t scored for 15 league games in the most important part of the season.

And I didn’t like Alexis Sanchez’s reaction to being subbed off. It was a show of disharmony that we never normally associate with Wenger’s squads.

It’s when these kind of issues become obvious to the fans that you’ve got problems. The trouble for Wenger right now is his mistakes are obvious to everybody.


I reckon we are going to have another year of the "Wenger experiment" Everybody on here knows, tell Wenger what is obvious, what needs to happen, he won't do it. He buys a striker who scores 20 -30 goals a season & everybody will be saying... We told you, why didn't you do it earlier, etc, etc. He's not having that. He'll persist with Giroud, just one goal & we'll be hearing "I told you he was top class, all strikers go through a lean spell

One more season, I don't think we'll get top 4 next season, hopefully it will be even worse... but it's going to be one more season.. AT LEAST. I don't think we'll be buying anyone either... the fans think we need to so therefore..........

[Redarmy]

If we were more like Liverpool supporters he would have been out of a job long ago.

you get what you deserve, the supporters at the Emirates are the worst in the country, let them have another 6 years of mediocrity

away fans up there with the best of them by the way

And yet the memory of the banner "who ever heard of cesc and nasri" on display after the 8-2 hammering at old shatford, still burns into my brain - that is up there with some of the worst and most embarrassing moments in my Gooner life

yeah true...theres always one out there

[Redarmy]

If we were more like Liverpool supporters he would have been out of a job long ago.

you get what you deserve, the supporters at the Emirates are the worst in the country, let them have another 6 years of mediocrity

away fans up there with the best of them by the way

And yet the memory of the banner "who ever heard of cesc and nasri" on display after the 8-2 hammering at old shatford, still burns into my brain - that is up there with some of the worst and most embarrassing moments in my Gooner life

yeah true...theres always one out there

tried to erase that painful memory from my mind.....
worked with a mate who was a Man Utd fan he got in to my office at 7.0 am on the day after and totally decked it out with Utd banners and with the scoreline everywhere....