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Jumpers For Goalposts · Sat Sep 25, 2010 6:35 pm

Jumpers For Goalposts wrote:This weekend marks 2 years since Hull beat us at home

I remember sitting there when we were 1-0 up after a scrappy own goal and thinking "They look good today and we're starting to showboat". Just as I thought that, Giovanni slammed one in.

I then started thinking "If we're not careful this could all go horribly wrong" - just as I thought that, Cousin's header flew past Manuel and the rest as they say, is History!

All of which is totally irrelevant cos we're gonna win 3-0 today. Unless of course we start showboating and West Brom "do a Hull" . . . . . . . .

I was actually joking when I posted that this morning!!

Just got home and still can't believe what an inept performance our "superstars" put in.

We can add this one to the list that includes:-

Wigan (a) 2-3
Blackburn (a) 1-2
Stoke (a) 1-2
Hull (h) 1-2
Brum (a) 2-2
Brum (a) 1-1
etc. etc. etc. Each one because because too many players just expect to beat "weaker" teams without putting in too much effort.

* How many more shit performances will it take for Arsene to see that the balance in the squad is wrong?

* How many more shit performances will it take for Arsene to see that he needs to spend just a fraction of our huge profits, rather than stock-piling as much cash as possible?

* How many more shit performances will it take for Arsene to see that the back four don't work as a unit?

* How many more shit performances will it take for Arsene to see that Almunia is a League 1 keeper at best?

* How many more shit performances will it take for Arsene to see that Eboue and Diaby are lazy, dopy, careless and way, way short of what is needed to compete with Man U / Chelsea?

* How many more shit performances will it take for the home crowd to boo louder than they did today when Diaby trotted off and each time Almunia touched the ball after the 3rd goal went in???

topgoon · Post by **topgoon** » Sat Sep 25, 2010 6:35 pm

Just thinking that but for stupidity last week and arrogance and sheer shitness this week we should be sitting at the top of the tree tonight with a 2 point gap

mrgnu1958 · Post by **mrgnu1958** » Sat Sep 25, 2010 6:36 pm

marcengels · Post by **marcengels** » Sat Sep 25, 2010 6:38 pm

topgoon wrote:Just thinking that but for stupidity last week and arrogance and sheer shitness this week we should be sitting at the top of the tree tonight with a 2 point gap

Sounding like a strange Arsenal version of ""What have the romans ever done for us?"

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Sat Sep 25, 2010 6:38 pm

topgoon wrote:
USMartin wrote:
topgoon wrote:
USMartin wrote:Can I ask all the "wenger out" what hard evidence do you have that if a new manager is brought in there will be a clear and noticable change in our spending and team-building policy ? What can you point to besides quotes from the Board about money being available to spend all the way back to 2005 really but with no actual action of anysort that backed theses claims?

My concern is simple - this won''t end with a new manager unless whatever the Board is out to do now has been accomplished already. There will be no major change and possibly no change at all in our spending otherwise no matter who is managing the team.

In which case a lot of the ciriticism levelled at the manager may in fact be very unfair and just plain untrue.

If I genuinely knew in fact the manager was the sole impediment to investing more in better players I'd reluctantly but immediately stand with the "wenger out" group but I see no real evidence that that is the case.

Anmd that is not the case not only is it terribly unfair to him but tour selves as well as we will be the ones who are let down if there is no real change.

So again does anyone have hard evidence that the manager chose to reject money to sign certain players or a certain level of quality players?
As much as I can't be arsed to get involved in this AW in/out fight for a manger with a new 4 year contract, the board don't pick the team. We had at least 2 players on the bench who could have won us that game or saved the humiliation but AW didn't pick them.
So unless you're saying he gets call during the game telling him who he can or cannot pick to start the game from PH-W, Fizsman,Kroenke and whoever else, then this arguement is for another time
I won't argue with you you if you don't wish to, but the team is slected by the signing of players be the players brought through the youth system or players bought from other clubs - and the odd Bosman signing -

The question is would we be looking at the same pool of players to select from for the team and the first eleven if Mr. Wenger had the same support he had prior to 2005?

The manager selects the team he sends onto the pitch, but the team he can select from is determined by how much we are willing to pay to bring a player to this club and then how much we are willing to pay to keep them.

I mean how else did we get the teams we had from 1998-2005 that the manger could select his first eleven from? My point is that no new manager will have better options to pick from so long as the Board continues to run the finances as it is, and its naive to conclude otherwise.

Feel free to respond at a time and place or thread of your choosing but do consider that in all of this. The Board isn't telling him who can choose to play but its limiting who he has the chance to choose from before that point is reached even.
It's not a case of just not wanting to do the arguement but seriously USM can you agree with me on one point we had enough players on the bench to win the game today if we'd played our strongest team yes...

I do - as I said earlier the attitude seems to be they don't believe they can win the League, and thus had no real hunger to take advantage of the opportunity laid before them. They played like closing the gap on Chelsea was meaningless to them.

My other point was about this belief that its solely down to the manager that we don't have the same quality of players and deoth of quality we had here from 1998-2005, and that may not change with the next manager or the next one after that even.

Arsenal Till I Die · Post by **Arsenal Till I Die** » Sat Sep 25, 2010 6:38 pm

Jumpers For Goalposts wrote:
Jumpers For Goalposts wrote:This weekend marks 2 years since Hull beat us at home

I remember sitting there when we were 1-0 up after a scrappy own goal and thinking "They look good today and we're starting to showboat". Just as I thought that, Giovanni slammed one in.

I then started thinking "If we're not careful this could all go horribly wrong" - just as I thought that, Cousin's header flew past Manuel and the rest as they say, is History!

All of which is totally irrelevant cos we're gonna win 3-0 today. Unless of course we start showboating and West Brom "do a Hull" . . . . . . . .
I was actually joking when I posted that this morning!!

By anychance what do you think the lottery numbers are this weekend?

And what about the 3.10 at Kempton.

topgoon · Post by **topgoon** » Sat Sep 25, 2010 6:39 pm

Jumpers For Goalposts wrote:
Jumpers For Goalposts wrote:This weekend marks 2 years since Hull beat us at home

I remember sitting there when we were 1-0 up after a scrappy own goal and thinking "They look good today and we're starting to showboat". Just as I thought that, Giovanni slammed one in.

I then started thinking "If we're not careful this could all go horribly wrong" - just as I thought that, Cousin's header flew past Manuel and the rest as they say, is History!

All of which is totally irrelevant cos we're gonna win 3-0 today. Unless of course we start showboating and West Brom "do a Hull" . . . . . . . .
I was actually joking when I posted that this morning!!

Just got home and still can't believe what an inept performance our "superstars" put in.

We can add this one to the list that includes:-

Wigan (a) 2-3
Blackburn (a) 1-2
Stoke (a) 1-2
Hull (h) 1-2
Brum (a) 2-2
Brum (a) 1-1
etc. etc. etc. Each one because because too many players just expect to beat "weaker" teams without putting in too much effort.

* How many more shit performances will it take for Arsene to see that the balance in the squad is wrong?

* How many more shit performances will it take for Arsene to see that he needs to spend just a fraction of our huge profits, rather than stock-piling as much cash as possible?

* How many more shit performances will it take for Arsene to see that the back four don't work as a unit?

* How many more shit performances will it take for Arsene to see that Almunia is a League 1 keeper at best?

* How many more shit performances will it take for Arsene to see that Eboue and Diaby are lazy, dopy, careless and way, way short of what is needed to compete with Man U / Chelsea?

* How many more shit performances will it take for the home crowd to boo louder than they did today when Diaby trotted off and each time Almunia touched the ball after the 3rd goal went in???

I agree with all you've written but this because I just can't imagine booing my own team in our stadium, I don't know any other way to get AW to get rid but I can't honestly agree with booing our own players at the Grove.

topgoon · Post by **topgoon** » Sat Sep 25, 2010 6:43 pm

marcengels wrote:
topgoon wrote:Just thinking that but for stupidity last week and arrogance and sheer shitness this week we should be sitting at the top of the tree tonight with a 2 point gap
Sounding like a strange Arsenal version of ""What have the romans ever done for us?"

And in the words of the excellent Mr Cleese... oh Just FACK OFF

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Sat Sep 25, 2010 6:44 pm

topgoon wrote:
Jumpers For Goalposts wrote:
Jumpers For Goalposts wrote:This weekend marks 2 years since Hull beat us at home

I remember sitting there when we were 1-0 up after a scrappy own goal and thinking "They look good today and we're starting to showboat". Just as I thought that, Giovanni slammed one in.

I then started thinking "If we're not careful this could all go horribly wrong" - just as I thought that, Cousin's header flew past Manuel and the rest as they say, is History!

All of which is totally irrelevant cos we're gonna win 3-0 today. Unless of course we start showboating and West Brom "do a Hull" . . . . . . . .
I was actually joking when I posted that this morning!!

Just got home and still can't believe what an inept performance our "superstars" put in.

We can add this one to the list that includes:-

Wigan (a) 2-3
Blackburn (a) 1-2
Stoke (a) 1-2
Hull (h) 1-2
Brum (a) 2-2
Brum (a) 1-1
etc. etc. etc. Each one because because too many players just expect to beat "weaker" teams without putting in too much effort.

* How many more shit performances will it take for Arsene to see that the balance in the squad is wrong?

* How many more shit performances will it take for Arsene to see that he needs to spend just a fraction of our huge profits, rather than stock-piling as much cash as possible?

* How many more shit performances will it take for Arsene to see that the back four don't work as a unit?

* How many more shit performances will it take for Arsene to see that Almunia is a League 1 keeper at best?

* How many more shit performances will it take for Arsene to see that Eboue and Diaby are lazy, dopy, careless and way, way short of what is needed to compete with Man U / Chelsea?

* How many more shit performances will it take for the home crowd to boo louder than they did today when Diaby trotted off and each time Almunia touched the ball after the 3rd goal went in???

I agree with all you've written but this because I just can't imagine booing my own team in our stadium, I don't know any other way to get AW to get rid but I can't honestly agree with booing our own players at the Grove.

Not that I am at matches every week but I can't fathom doing that either. As frustrated as i am I am 100% behind ther team all 90-whatever minutes no matter what. There's got be a better way.

topgoon · Post by **topgoon** » Sat Sep 25, 2010 6:46 pm

Just realised I've just passed my half 1,000th post what do I get for that then, I can't find any pictures with only half a tit or half an arse to post

mcdowell42 · Post by **mcdowell42** » Sat Sep 25, 2010 6:48 pm

topgoon wrote:Just realised I've just passed my half 1,000th post what do I get for that then, I can't find any pictures with only half a tit or half an arse to post

Ill help you out there heres a hint he was in goals today for us.

donaldo · Post by **donaldo** » Sat Sep 25, 2010 6:48 pm

The thing is the surrenders v Wigan,Blackburn and today have all happened in the last TEN league games we have played.The attitude of the players stank in all of them games.Add to that an injury time own goal saved us at Liverpool and a below par performance at Sunderland. When is someone going to point the finger at Wenger?

Edit: Last 10 league games 4 wins 3 draws and 3 losses

Arsenal Till I Die · Post by **Arsenal Till I Die** » Sat Sep 25, 2010 6:49 pm

USMartin wrote:
topgoon wrote:
Jumpers For Goalposts wrote:
Jumpers For Goalposts wrote:This weekend marks 2 years since Hull beat us at home

I remember sitting there when we were 1-0 up after a scrappy own goal and thinking "They look good today and we're starting to showboat". Just as I thought that, Giovanni slammed one in.

I then started thinking "If we're not careful this could all go horribly wrong" - just as I thought that, Cousin's header flew past Manuel and the rest as they say, is History!

All of which is totally irrelevant cos we're gonna win 3-0 today. Unless of course we start showboating and West Brom "do a Hull" . . . . . . . .
I was actually joking when I posted that this morning!!

Just got home and still can't believe what an inept performance our "superstars" put in.

We can add this one to the list that includes:-

Wigan (a) 2-3
Blackburn (a) 1-2
Stoke (a) 1-2
Hull (h) 1-2
Brum (a) 2-2
Brum (a) 1-1
etc. etc. etc. Each one because because too many players just expect to beat "weaker" teams without putting in too much effort.

* How many more shit performances will it take for Arsene to see that the balance in the squad is wrong?

* How many more shit performances will it take for Arsene to see that he needs to spend just a fraction of our huge profits, rather than stock-piling as much cash as possible?

* How many more shit performances will it take for Arsene to see that the back four don't work as a unit?

* How many more shit performances will it take for Arsene to see that Almunia is a League 1 keeper at best?

* How many more shit performances will it take for Arsene to see that Eboue and Diaby are lazy, dopy, careless and way, way short of what is needed to compete with Man U / Chelsea?

* How many more shit performances will it take for the home crowd to boo louder than they did today when Diaby trotted off and each time Almunia touched the ball after the 3rd goal went in???

I agree with all you've written but this because I just can't imagine booing my own team in our stadium, I don't know any other way to get AW to get rid but I can't honestly agree with booing our own players at the Grove.
Not that I am at matches every week but I can't fathom doing that either. As frustrated as i am I am 100% behind ther team all 90-whatever minutes no matter what. There's got be a better way.

Banners?

Flags?

Keyrings?

Car stickers?

We could paint ****'ys taxi red and white then have it dragging dolls of Almunia and Diaby at the back with a rope around their neck outside London Colney??

Burn the witch sorta shit going on here????

Dan_85 · Post by **Dan_85** » Sat Sep 25, 2010 6:50 pm

topgoon wrote:Just realised I've just passed my half 1,000th post what do I get for that then, I can't find any pictures with only half a tit or half an arse to post

I can't do you half a tit but I can do you a whole one...

Happy 500th!

Jumpers For Goalposts · Sat Sep 25, 2010 6:50 pm

topgoon wrote:
Jumpers For Goalposts wrote:
Jumpers For Goalposts wrote:This weekend marks 2 years since Hull beat us at home

I remember sitting there when we were 1-0 up after a scrappy own goal and thinking "They look good today and we're starting to showboat". Just as I thought that, Giovanni slammed one in.

I then started thinking "If we're not careful this could all go horribly wrong" - just as I thought that, Cousin's header flew past Manuel and the rest as they say, is History!

All of which is totally irrelevant cos we're gonna win 3-0 today. Unless of course we start showboating and West Brom "do a Hull" . . . . . . . .
I was actually joking when I posted that this morning!!

Just got home and still can't believe what an inept performance our "superstars" put in.

We can add this one to the list that includes:-

Wigan (a) 2-3
Blackburn (a) 1-2
Stoke (a) 1-2
Hull (h) 1-2
Brum (a) 2-2
Brum (a) 1-1
etc. etc. etc. Each one because because too many players just expect to beat "weaker" teams without putting in too much effort.

* How many more shit performances will it take for Arsene to see that the balance in the squad is wrong?

* How many more shit performances will it take for Arsene to see that he needs to spend just a fraction of our huge profits, rather than stock-piling as much cash as possible?

* How many more shit performances will it take for Arsene to see that the back four don't work as a unit?

* How many more shit performances will it take for Arsene to see that Almunia is a League 1 keeper at best?

* How many more shit performances will it take for Arsene to see that Eboue and Diaby are lazy, dopy, careless and way, way short of what is needed to compete with Man U / Chelsea?

* How many more shit performances will it take for the home crowd to boo louder than they did today when Diaby trotted off and each time Almunia touched the ball after the 3rd goal went in???

I agree with all you've written but this because I just can't imagine booing my own team in our stadium, I don't know any other way to get AW to get rid but I can't honestly agree with booing our own players at the Grove.

Trouble is though mate, we're in the minority - 7,000 or so buy & read The Gooner leaving 50-51,000 that don't. And the ground was half empty at the final whistle - if that lot had stayed the booing would've been deafening.

A large section to the left of Almunia's goal were booing every time he touched the ball and Diaby copped a load when he went off. Almunia looked up at the section booing a couple of times.

The level of abuse around me was as high as I've known today and if that performance is repeated it's only gonna get worse.