Tony Adams praises Danny Fiszman

augie · Post by **augie** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 1:54 pm

Fucks sake tony I read so much about ikea there I didnt know if I had logged on to a home decor website by mistake

Post by **T.S** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 2:19 pm

augie wrote:Fucks sake tony I read so much about ikea there I didnt know if I had logged on to a home decor website by mistake

Exactly my point!

SWLGooner · Post by **SWLGooner** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 2:24 pm

tonysaunders wrote:[
I forget who suggested it, but I think the blog thing is a very good idea. Again, I'm not telling you to get out of town. Rather, I think that a blog might be a better what of gathering like-minded people together for your cause. After all, that is what you want to do, isn't it? Gather a group of like-minded people to fight for a cause.

Mine's a Guinness Tony

mcdowell42 · Post by **mcdowell42** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 2:28 pm

I thought it was only me who had a wife who asks for my opinion on certain things and after giving my opinion she goes and does exactly the opposite.

RoscommonGooner · Post by **RoscommonGooner** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 2:30 pm

Babu wrote:Martin, the 'Board' has gone.

They sold up, made their cash, and they have left the building - even if a couple of the smaller ones are still 'officially' on the Board, they have no shares, no say and no power.

They are non-executive directors, just a token presence.

It's over. You were right about the old Board. But they are gone.

The NEW BOARD is KROENKE. The End.

I wonder what the outcome would have been if this was posted in May 2010. Would we all have been saved?

biglunn · Post by **biglunn** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:51 pm

Babu wrote:Martin, the 'Board' has gone.

They sold up, made their cash, and they have left the building - even if a couple of the smaller ones are still 'officially' on the Board, they have no shares, no say and no power.

They are non-executive directors, just a token presence.

It's over. You were right about the old Board. But they are gone.

The NEW BOARD is KROENKE. The End.

Of course. Kroenke owns 66% and R&W own 29%.

What on earth the One Man Army Marty actually campaigning for?

I am clinging on to the fact that Kroenke has paid top prices to purchase his stake in Arsenal. And with Wenger and (yes Marty) the 'Previous Board' sapping the lifeblood out of the club in order to raise the share prices, I doubt Kroenke wants to see a further decline in the team leading to a devaluation of his investment.

Old custodians (Board) gone. Sack Wenger. New start with ambition. That is what I believe will happen.

biglunn · Post by **biglunn** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:51 pm

Babu wrote:Martin, the 'Board' has gone.

They sold up, made their cash, and they have left the building - even if a couple of the smaller ones are still 'officially' on the Board, they have no shares, no say and no power.

They are non-executive directors, just a token presence.

It's over. You were right about the old Board. But they are gone.

The NEW BOARD is KROENKE. The End.

Of course. Kroenke owns 66% and R&W own 29%.

What on earth the One Man Army Marty actually campaigning for?

I am clinging on to the fact that Kroenke has paid top prices to purchase his stake in Arsenal. And with Wenger and (yes Marty) the 'Previous Board' sapping the lifeblood out of the club in order to raise the share prices, I doubt Kroenke wants to see a further decline in the team leading to a devaluation of his investment.

Old custodians (Board) gone. Sack Wenger. New start with ambition. That is what I believe will happen.

PS - This thread is behaving very weird. Technical problems?

Babu · Post by **Babu** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:22 pm

biglunn wrote:
Of course. Kroenke owns 66% and R&W own 29%.

What on earth the One Man Army Marty actually campaigning for?

I am clinging on to the fact that Kroenke has paid top prices to purchase his stake in Arsenal. And with Wenger and (yes Marty) the 'Previous Board' sapping the lifeblood out of the club in order to raise the share prices, I doubt Kroenke wants to see a further decline in the team leading to a devaluation of his investment.

Old custodians (Board) gone. Sack Wenger. New start with ambition. That is what I believe will happen.

To be fair to Martin I first heard his views many years ago now, and at the time I was not imterested in the Board at all.
I had my opinion of them as arrogant, upper class arseholes, and that was enough for me. Couldn't really have given a toss what they were doing, as at the time I started going ( 70s and 80s ) they were doing very little, as they were 'custodians' due to the fact that they couldn't make any money out of the club even if they wanted to, due to tight legalisation as to what exactly you could do. For example you couldn't take dividends, as that was illegal. Couldn't make any money out of a Club, actually.

Of course that all changed, and our 'old' Board cleaned up. They literally stole Â£237 million this year alone from The Arsenal. Quite clearly stolen money. They never put a cent in, and cleaned up.

Hill-Wood banked Â£4.7m for his shares, Lady Nina Bracewell-Smith Â£116m and Danny Fiszman, Â£117m for his family.

But they've done it, and it was all above-board...

And now the whole situation has changed. Kroenke is the man. The rest are nothing.

I don't think Kroenke will sack Wenger ( sadly ), but I believe he has a gentleman's agreement to let the contract run out...and then - depending on results - it will be extended or not. Quite clearly if the trend continues then Wenger will not even try to renew it, as he won't be offered an extension.

We are stuck with him though until his contract expires.

Would be interesting to see if we started with 3 defeats in the PL and get knocked out of the CL though, but I really don't want that to happen, even if it might mean Wenger leaving and us starting again. Problem would be that the transfer window would already be closed and we would fall into crisis, especially with our impressive, powerfully built, mentally strong squad. Could really see the little darlings going into total meltdown, so really we have to hope that Wenger stays and buys a bit of quality this summer.

OH GOD!

stg · Post by **stg** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:45 pm

How have they stolen Â£237 million from The Arsenal. Is there a bank account in Arsenal football clubs name now light of Â£237 million. It's business, trading in shares that's what happens if you are floated on the stockmarket.

I didn't know it was ileagal for board members to take dividends out of the club?

mcdowell42 · Post by **mcdowell42** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:52 pm

Get ready hes lurking the 1st post shouldnt be too far away bet you it wont be a short post

Babu · Post by **Babu** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:30 pm

stg wrote:How have they stolen Â£237 million from The Arsenal. Is there a bank account in Arsenal football clubs name now light of Â£237 million. It's business, trading in shares that's what happens if you are floated on the stockmarket.

I didn't know it was ileagal for board members to take dividends out of the club?

No, of course it isn't illegal now.

It was though, still up to the eighties.

And it's the principle of the thing. They always spouted the 'we are the custodians' line, and said they'd never sell up, blah, blah, blah.

What I was saying though is that it's happened, they did it legally, and it's over.

It has finished, it's not a topic anymore.

THE END.

Not having a go at you, btw. I understand the question. It's very valid, it just shows they were liars. But so what? It's done, they did it. Can't do anything about it now. So let's move on!

Let's just hope Kroenke knows what is needed.

:fingerscrossed:

Post by **QuartzGooner** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 7:09 pm

Babu wrote:
stg wrote:How have they stolen Â£237 million from The Arsenal. Is there a bank account in Arsenal football clubs name now light of Â£237 million. It's business, trading in shares that's what happens if you are floated on the stockmarket.

I didn't know it was ileagal for board members to take dividends out of the club?
No, of course it isn't illegal now.

It was though, still up to the eighties.

And it's the principle of the thing. They always spouted the 'we are the custodians' line, and said they'd never sell up, blah, blah, blah.

What I was saying though is that it's happened, they did it legally, and it's over.

It has finished, it's not a topic anymore.

THE END.

Nothing was stolen.

They sold shares, and someone bought shares.

No money went in or out of the club, shares just changed hands, and so did the club.

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:24 pm

tonysaunders wrote: Do you see what I'm trying to say here Martin? I'm not saying that you're wrong, or that you behave much worse than certain other forum members, because you don't. I'm saying that you're flogging a dead horse with this board stuff. This forum is informal in the extreme - it's what makes/made it so good. For want of a better phrase, it's the pub humour. Now, don't get me wrong, the odd serious discussion is usually welcomed here and there are members here who know plenty about the board. However, even they, and most certainly the rest of the genuine Arsenal fans who log on here leisurely to chat about the Arsenal team will start to become annoyed at talking about the board all. of. the. time.

Is it a dead horse though Tony? Right now all weâ€™re hearing is how the old Board is gone and everyone and everything is different now. Well someone should contact the Clubâ€™s Website because go over there and youâ€™ll see this

http://www.arsenal.com/the-club/corpora ... enal-board

The Arsenal Board now is the same exact Board that met in late 2008 with exception of Mr. Fiszman longer being present. The same Board as three seasons ago. And when you consider that summer looks like the past several summers - at best â€“ I would suggest that its less All Change at Arsenal than No Change at All at Arsenal. We are sitting on up to 80 GBP that could be invested into the team right now. If the money is there and the ambition is there where are the players we all know we need to match that ambition?

But Iâ€™ll play ball and accept these men are all figureheads for or pawns of Mr. Kroenke.

What do you expect these pawns or figureheads will do then when Mr. Kroenke proposes (denands) the Board approve shareholders receiving annual financial dividends in order to allow him pay off the creditors he borrowed the money from to buy the club with?

The idea that this is just over is a na dangerously disngenuous cconlusion Tony.

Especially when if this scenario arises the fact isStan Kroenke won't be the only recipient of these Dividends. Alisher Usmanov will get roughly half what Mr. Kroene gets and remaining Shareholders will get about a fifth of that.

So Say Stan Kroenke gets 20 million yearly. Alisher Usmanov gets 10 million yearly, and 4 million more is paid out to smaller shareholders beyond that. That is 34 million GBP annually that is held back from re-investment in the team or even loan repayments. Did Somebody just say Liverpool? Did somebody just mention Hicks and Gillette?

mcdowell42 · Post by **mcdowell42** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:48 pm

Its just gone right over your head hasnt it.

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:50 pm

tonysaunders wrote: However, even they, and most certainly the rest of the genuine Arsenal fans who log on here leisurely to chat about the Arsenal team will start to become annoyed at talking about the board all. of. the. time.

I Understand this to a point but what determines where when why and how we have serious discussion?

The point is how can you have serious discussions about the team the players, the manger and what is right or wrong with the Club and team and limit the scope of discussiion as narrowly as so many seened determined to inisist on us doing?

I mean how can serious analyze the make-up of the team or the spending policies that make it up and then say we won't consider one reason we might thave these problems no matter what and achieve anything constructive? What is the point of discussing who should replace Arseene Wneger (if you believe that has to be done) and then naming managers there is simply no realistic chance of Arsenal signing because they will hamstrung compeltely and utterly by our financial policies and never put themselves in that position.

You can't ask what's "wrong with me doc?" then tell him "never mind I don't want to know " because you're afraid the real answer will be worse than you hoped and expect to actually get better.