THE WENGER THREAD

[Dan_85]

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This AKB, for fucks sake

[flash gunner]

Has the senile old *word censored* gone yet?

[xisstential]

Couldn't give a flying fuck about him going with dignity and all that.

His credit has long since dried up and he has been on borrowed time since the 2011/12 debacle.

That team was as poor as could possibly be expected given our wage bill. The only way was up yet 4 years later we are in reality no closer to winning the league and just about as poor a side even though we have 3 quality players in Cech, Ozil and Sanchez. And Wenger is still condescending and insistent that he is doing a good job.

Since when could the words,
DIGNITY, GOING, ARSENE be put into the same sentence?






WENGER OUT

Arsene is going because all his dignity is gone

[Wilson]

The thing is, we actually have a very good squad with some really capable players. Sanchez, Monreal, Bellerin, Ozil, Cech Koosicleny are really top class. Yet Wenger's insists on pooling them with some serial under performers. Not only that, the under performers seem to get chance after chance, and maintain permanent presence in the team.

People talk about Wenger just needing more time to acquire more quality. Yet he cant even make the most of what he has got.

[xisstential]

The thing is, we actually have a very good squad with some really capable players. Sanchez, Monreal, Bellerin, Ozil, Cech Koosicleny are really top class. Yet Wenger's insists on pooling them with some serial under performers. Not only that, the under performers seem to get chance after chance, and maintain permanent presence in the team.

People talk about Wenger just needing more time to acquire more quality. Yet he cant even make the most of what he has got.

And the under performers drag the general quality down of the entire team & piss off the quality players by their very presence. Think about Ozil, can he ever look up and execute a slide rule pass for a forward to run on to??? No, because Giroud wouldn't get to it & Walcott wouldn't be able to control it.

I wouldn't be surprised if Ozil & Sanchez leave tbh.

[NickF]

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This AKB, for fucks sake

The answers Guvnor( ) gave were just lame.
I've not really heard a compelling reason for keeping Wenger other than just blind loyalty for things that happened over 10 years ago.

[DB10GOONER]

Like you, I thought it could. I've now seen the reality of the situation and know that we can't change things.
The only thing I am happy about is the knowledge that you value my words so much that you're taking the time to look back at all my old posts. I hope you've learned a lot. I'm here all week if you have any questions!

Essentially many of us want him gone and want to protest to show our views. My method is to not give them the thing they care about most.... Money. Yours is to show a banner and chant. In reality both are equally futile. You're just working your way to an early grave from stress and I'm just depriving myself of watching the team I've supported for 40 years.
He'll go when he's ready and not before. I just hope it is sooner rather than later. And with regard his leaving with his head held high? Yes, I'd have liked to have seen that but I don't think it's a reality now. He could have done so, probably even as recently as the start of this season, but not now, I totally accept that. I just think it's a real shame that it has come to this.

Agreed, mate. I too would have liked to see him go with dignity. I do understand some fans do now genuinely hate him (and some are just keyboard warriors that like to shout the loudest), but I never hated him and still don't, to be honest. But I am now at the stage that I don't care anymore how he goes, just so he goes, for the good of the club and my love of the game.

It's like that ex-girlfriend that you just couldn't work it out with. She was fine but it went to shit and you split up, amicably enough. Initially you are still friends and you wish her all the best. You still care about her a bit. Then a few years later you find out she's riding one of your mates now and you wish the dirty bitch nothing but bad. You still can't hate her as such (because of all them goooood times you had!) but you sure as hell don't like her anymore.

Arsene - stop riding my mates!!

Some are just deluded enough to think they can influence matters mate. I recall a story about sugar mice. I can't remember where now but it was something to do with Arsenal win if they bought them but lost if they didn't. As if buying sweets could affect the outcome of a game
It's a bit like 10 seconds of "Arsene, with the greatest of respect would you awfully mind toodling off to another club please, pretty please Sir" is going to get him to quit ! Lmfao mate

And I agree, he's got to stop riding my mates. I know a bloke called Gus we could offer up for him to ride

Gus' arse has been worn like a glove by so many by now it probably rattles when a draft goes by!

[xisstential]

If Wenger read this entire thread from start to finish he'd probably come to the conclusion..... Hmmmm about 92% for and a smallish 8% against. Not even against really, just haven't grasped or understood yet what I'm trying to do

[Perryashburtongroves]

If Wenger read this entire thread from start to finish he'd probably come to the conclusion..... Hmmmm about 92% for and a smallish 8% against. Not even against really, just haven't grasped or understood yet what I'm trying to do

He'd probably stop at page 4 and consider it success.

[xisstential]

Keown again.... Q. Can Wenger take us any further or ever win the league again -

A. If that’s the case then Arsenal have to be absolutely perfect in everything they do. The summer purchases have to be spot on to fit into the core of that side and they have to have the character and mental toughness. There is a lot of juggling to do. Knowing Wenger, he is not a man for great change but I do feel next season could be the final roll of the dice.

Whatever happens, you cannot overstate his achievements with Arsenal and what he has done for English football. If he were to win the league next year, I think that would just reaffirm his self-belief and he would use it as motivation to continue rather than to use it as the perfect exit.


Cannot overstate his achievements... why doesn't he actually list them and then put the time period next to it?? It withers compared to Ferguson's. Anyway Keown's head is so far up Wengers A$$ I'm surprised he can breathe let alone write.

Well the one think we don't have to worry about is him staying on because he wins the league, I don't believe he will EVER do that again. EVER!!

[BFG4]

Couldn't give a flying fuck about him going with dignity and all that.

His credit has long since dried up and he has been on borrowed time since the 2011/12 debacle.

That team was as poor as could possibly be expected given our wage bill. The only way was up yet 4 years later we are in reality no closer to winning the league and just about as poor a side even though we have 3 quality players in Cech, Ozil and Sanchez. And Wenger is still condescending and insistent that he is doing a good job.

That sill amazes me, that anyone who is Wenger out can say "he deserves to leave with dignity" or "he deserves more respect". Do some people just close their ears, when the man speaks. This season alone, he has said so many disrespectful things towards the fans. He will lash out at anyone who questions him. Having respect for him is just as delusional as the AKB'S who still think he is a competent manager. The man has fuck all respect for anyone but himself.

[rodders999]

You've got to go after the "brand" that's how to truly affect change.

30 seconds into the West Brom game the camera panned around the ground to the sight of thousands and thousands of empty seats - that hurts the brand. That image being beamed around the world is bad for publicity, it's a marketing nightmare. Customers so disenfranchised with an "event" that they cant even be bothered to attend is bad enough, add in the fact that they'd already paid for their ticket and still didn't want to go - in their droves, sends alarm bells ringing.

Likewise, anti board/manager banners in the ground - home or away, is bad for the club's image. These ultimately end up on TV and in the press and the club who's aim is to control the agenda at all times are powerless.....which they hate. Unrest, protest and apathy are all toxic to the brand and in my opinion the longer this continues (which it pretty much has since Goodison) then the lesser the chance of him getting the fabled contract extension becomes.

Sadly I don't think what's going on at the moment is enough to drive him out this summer but I'm convinced that the more this escalates the greater the likelihood we finally reach nirvana next May and rid ourselves of the bastard,

Well done to all who've taken a stand, whatever it may be

[xisstential]

Couldn't give a flying fuck about him going with dignity and all that.

His credit has long since dried up and he has been on borrowed time since the 2011/12 debacle.

That team was as poor as could possibly be expected given our wage bill. The only way was up yet 4 years later we are in reality no closer to winning the league and just about as poor a side even though we have 3 quality players in Cech, Ozil and Sanchez. And Wenger is still condescending and insistent that he is doing a good job.

That sill amazes me, that anyone who is Wenger out can say "he deserves to leave with dignity" or "he deserves more respect". Do some people just close their ears, when the man speaks. This season alone, he has said so many disrespectful things towards the fans. He will lash out at anyone who questions him. Having respect for him is just as delusional as the AKB'S who still think he is a competent manager. The man has fuck all respect for anyone but himself.

100%, if he wants to leave with dignity, then he needs to make a DIGNIFIED EXIT. Instead he hangs on, bullshitting, spinning failure into success, sneering at everybody who questions him, stubbornly refusing to do the obvious because others are suggesting it, treating the fans with absolute disdain... and on & on....

I hope the roof falls in on him next season & he gets dragged out kicking & screaming.

A totally selfish & shameless man who is going to bring an ugly exit down on his own head.

[SPUDMASHER]

As I said in a recent post, I would have liked him to go with his head held high but that just isn't possible now. This season alone he has totally destroyed his relationship with many fans. I now accept that he just has to go, period.

I think you can track things back to the departure of David Dein and subsequently Ken Friar. Prior to that he was pretty much a conventional manager. He did the team side of things and they did the finance and club matters. Whether by design or accident he took on a large part of those roles after they left and consequently became too powerful at the club. One thing we all know is that power corrupts and boy has it done so here. I think that is a large factor behind his escalating levels of arrogance and disrespect for others. He doesn't really appear to have to answer to anyone at the club!

Head held high would have been nice, of course it would, but now there's no way that can ever happen. It's a bloody shame when power and arrogance makes any person destroys their own legacy. He would have been remembered as one of Arsenals greatest managers, Now he'll just be the guy that built a stadium and wrecked the team in doing so. I don't subscribe to the 'be careful what you wish for' theory. I think the foundations are still there and strong enough to rebuild with a new person at the helm. It may take a couple of years but we don't have a right to expect anything else. Liverpool have turned things around quite quickly with the arrival of Klopp whereas Manure have suffered with Moyes and rubberface. Who knows what way we'll go?

I just hope it is over sooner rather than later but doubt it will be.

[BFG4]

In my opinion, the biggest indictment of Wenger's time in charge, is the loser mentality that is prevalent at the club. For the first five years or so after we moved to the Emirates, Wenger treated top 4 finishes as success, but none of our players really did. Most of them seen the reality of playing under crackpot, and fucked off to clubs that could win actual trophies. Of the current squad, with the exception of Ozil and Sanchez, most of our squad seem quite contented with never winning a title, and doing just about enough to finish top 4 every year. Look at Giroud's reaction to setting up a goal last weekend. Does anyone think he cares about our title challenge going up in smoke, or that he is one of the causes of this failed season. No, he is too busy having a pop at the fans, for having questioned him. When Ozil and Sanchez leave, Wenger wont replace them with world class players, because they tend to question why we aren't winning things. Its better to have losers like Giroud, Ramsey etc. who are quit comfortable in being mediocre.