THE WENGER THREAD

[Wilson]

The noise surrounding Ozil and Sanchez is really indicative of how things are at Arsenal. These are two players who know what proper football is, having played for Real Madrid and Barcelona. Then they come here and want to leave after not that long. Its obvious they have realised titles are not the ambition of the club. Wenger seems almost euphoric after basically securing 3rd spot. The players also seem satisfied. Does the french fool not realise celebrating securing CL football sends the wrong message to players who actually want to win tangible trophies you can touch and see, and not these imagined 'top 4 trophies'.

He doesnt know how to manage our own players. Without even knowing it, he is driving Ozil and Sanchez closer to the exit. As I keep saying, he is really is ignorant and without a clue.

[Clash]

The noise surrounding Ozil and Sanchez is really indicative of how things are at Arsenal. These are two players who know what proper football is, having played for Real Madrid and Barcelona. Then they come here and want to leave after not that long. Its obvious they have realised titles are not the ambition of the club. Wenger seems almost euphoric after basically securing 3rd spot. The players also seem satisfied. Does the french fool not realise celebrating securing CL football sends the wrong message to players who actually want to win tangible trophies you can touch and see, and not these imagined 'top 4 trophies'.

He doesnt know how to manage our own players. Without even knowing it, he is driving Ozil and Sanchez closer to the exit. As I keep saying, he is really is ignorant and without a clue.

Good post as usual Wilson. Do you also get the feeling that Wenger would prefer not having star quality like Ozil and Sanchez in his team?

There seems a reluctance on his part to have players like that. Certainly when it comes to buying them ... and in Arshavins case, when it comes to playing them.

The infamous line ''We dont buy superstars, we make them'' comes to mind.

Where is the excitement supposed to come from supporting Arsenal these days? Or am I missing the point of what the club now exists for? Are we just expected to sit back and enjoy ''the quality and process of what we do'', whatever the fuck that means.

The team dynamic never changes even when the personnel does. Wenger doesnt sign too many players in one window because of some mind up nonsense he has invented that he calls ''a technical risk''

If you are only prepared to make minor changes you will not see drastic improvements. So on we go. Same old same old

[xisstential]

The noise surrounding Ozil and Sanchez is really indicative of how things are at Arsenal. These are two players who know what proper football is, having played for Real Madrid and Barcelona. Then they come here and want to leave after not that long. Its obvious they have realised titles are not the ambition of the club. Wenger seems almost euphoric after basically securing 3rd spot. The players also seem satisfied. Does the french fool not realise celebrating securing CL football sends the wrong message to players who actually want to win tangible trophies you can touch and see, and not these imagined 'top 4 trophies'.

He doesnt know how to manage our own players. Without even knowing it, he is driving Ozil and Sanchez closer to the exit. As I keep saying, he is really is ignorant and without a clue.

Good post as usual Wilson. Do you also get the feeling that Wenger would prefer not having star quality like Ozil and Sanchez in his team?

There seems a reluctance on his part to have players like that. Certainly when it comes to buying them ... and in Arshavins case, when it comes to playing them.

The infamous line ''We dont buy superstars, we make them'' comes to mind.

Where is the excitement supposed to come from supporting Arsenal these days? Or am I missing the point of what the club now exists for? Are we just expected to sit back and enjoy ''the quality and process of what we do'', whatever the fuck that means.

The team dynamic never changes even when the personnel does. Wenger doesnt sign too many players in one window because of some mind up nonsense he has invented that he calls ''a technical risk''

If you are only prepared to make minor changes you will not see drastic improvements. So on we go. Same old same old

When last has that happened?? He buys players like Sanogo, Kallstrom... even Walcott, & Ox and he just cannot do anything with them. In Walcott and with AoC & Chambers they have actually become worse and the others go out on loan before being flogged off.

If you think about it, from coaching, tactics, man management & purchasing Wenger is a complete & utter failure on every front. He is so much more of a business manager for Arsenal Plc than he is a football manager.

I think Ozil will go in the summer & we are going to lose an absolute bundle on him (how he's going to explain that away I do not know) Sanchez won't be far behind. And Wenger won't care, as you rightly pointed out he doesn't want superstars. Wenger wants average players who'll get us top 4, loyal players who he is prepared to overpay in return for their loyalty. Big name players who want to win things will question his tactics & ambition. He won't have that.

What a shameful mess that one man can be allowed to do this to what was once a great football club.

[Wilson]

Players like Ozil and Sanchez challenge the consensus at the club. So yes, I do feel Wenger would breath easier without them.

When Ozil and Sanchez talk about titles, about needing to get better, and take responsibility (Ozil saying we 'messed up', and Sanchez questioning the players 'hunger') , it threatens the consensus and makes Wenger uncomfortable. Thats why Wenger prefers young players, and players who would never get 100k a week and CL football elsewhere - it gives Wenger total control, as the playing personnel feel they owe Wenger for signing them, and will thus never rock the boat. Ozil and Sanchez are pushing the bubble of complacency, and its making Wenger uncomfortable. The worst thing is, if Wenger sells them, he wouldnt replace them with equal quality, as he wouldnt want to allow the situation were serial winners arrive, and point out the obvious deficiencies and demand improvement.

I literally believe, he would allow both Sanchez and Ozil to leave, just to make his own life easier in terms of controlling the squad. He is that selfish and self-centered, and if it does happen, it is within the realm of treason. If it does happen, he should not only be sacked, but any planned statue, or naming of a stand in his name, should be scrapped. The de-wengerization of Arsenal is a must. We need to get rid of this egomaniac and his cult of personality.

[SPUDMASHER]

I am quite confident that he'd allow them to go for the very reasons you say. I think he only signed them in the first instance to appease people and prolong the fans belief that he might be trying to win the league!
There's obviously a massive part of me that wants them to stay because they are the only 2 world class players we have but if it takes them leaving to bring about change for the greater good then I can live with it. It goes back to my earlier statements that the real power lies with the players. If they walk and others won't sign that makes his position unsustainable and is far more likely to garner a response from the board than the protests.

[Gunner Rob]

I am quite confident that he'd allow them to go for the very reasons you say. I think he only signed them in the first instance to appease people and prolong the fans belief that he might be trying to win the league!
There's obviously a massive part of me that wants them to stay because they are the only 2 world class players we have but if it takes them leaving to bring about change for the greater good then I can live with it. It goes back to my earlier statements that the real power lies with the players. If they walk and others won't sign that makes his position unsustainable and is far more likely to garner a response from the board than the protests.

this is a good point.
however when RVP left under similar circumstances there was a massive backlash against him and not the club. Similarly Nasri.
I could never understand why. what would be different when Ozil leaves this summer?

[begeegs]

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/footbal ... 44341.html

"It is understood one element complicating negotiations is the uncertainty around Wenger’s position. He has always insisted he would not leave the club this summer and see out the final year of his deal but while the Arsenal hierarchy are happy for him to stay beyond 2017, Wenger has repeatedly refused to discuss his future beyond that date."

Hahahaha. I would bet that is why Sanchez wants to leave because he fears that Wenger will extend rather than leave.

[SPUDMASHER]

I am quite confident that he'd allow them to go for the very reasons you say. I think he only signed them in the first instance to appease people and prolong the fans belief that he might be trying to win the league!
There's obviously a massive part of me that wants them to stay because they are the only 2 world class players we have but if it takes them leaving to bring about change for the greater good then I can live with it. It goes back to my earlier statements that the real power lies with the players. If they walk and others won't sign that makes his position unsustainable and is far more likely to garner a response from the board than the protests.

this is a good point.
however when RVP left under similar circumstances there was a massive backlash against him and not the club. Similarly Nasri.
I could never understand why. what would be different when Ozil leaves this summer?

I've no idea what the difference would be but I doubt they'd be quiet as to why they've left, particularly Ozil. I've nothing to back that up, just a gut feeling that he's more likely to be outspoken.

[xisstential]

I am quite confident that he'd allow them to go for the very reasons you say. I think he only signed them in the first instance to appease people and prolong the fans belief that he might be trying to win the league!
There's obviously a massive part of me that wants them to stay because they are the only 2 world class players we have but if it takes them leaving to bring about change for the greater good then I can live with it. It goes back to my earlier statements that the real power lies with the players. If they walk and others won't sign that makes his position unsustainable and is far more likely to garner a response from the board than the protests.

this is a good point.
however when RVP left under similar circumstances there was a massive backlash against him and not the club. Similarly Nasri.
I could never understand why. what would be different when Ozil leaves this summer?

Because now, there is a bit of unrest. Them leaving will add to it, another thing that will shine an unwelcome light on him. People will start to question why EVERY half decent player wants to leave and we are always stuck with the dregs. I also believe he will make no effort to keep them as they are becoming disruptive. The problem is Ozil, as I said before he/we (I prefer he as he's the one who fucked it up) is going to lose an absolute bundle on him. There is no way, absolutely no way, he can spin that to look good or even acceptable.

Imagine if Ozil adds to that by saying he wants to leave because he wants to win things. It's just one more thing to add to the growing discontent. This truly is a situation of giving a man enough rope & he'll hang himself. Unfortunately with Wenger the rope stretches for miles.

[Redarmy]

At the risk of repeating myself but have a strong feeling Wenger will spend big in the summer

1) If and it is a big IF....he does go will want to go out with some glory, his ego would not let him leave if they do not win anything or secure a top 4 finish

2) He could not stand anyone else coming in and spending his war chest, in case they got instant glory

[Gunner Rob]

At the risk of repeating myself but have a strong feeling Wenger will spend big in the summer

1) If and it is a big IF....he does go will want to go out with some glory, his ego would not let him leave if they do not win anything or secure a top 4 finish

2) He could not stand anyone else coming in and spending his war chest, in case they got instant glory

he will not spend big for the following reasons

1. Leicester City just won the league so his arrogance will try and replicate this feat
2. Euro 2016 so too busy to deal with transfers
3. who the fuck with a big price tag is going to come to serial losers like ourselves
4. we are now probably the 4th most attractive team in London for a big player to come to
5. if Ozil leaves any other top player will be put off coming
6. have you learnt nothing over the past 20 years Wenger will never really spend that big!

[xisstential]

At the risk of repeating myself but have a strong feeling Wenger will spend big in the summer

1) If and it is a big IF....he does go will want to go out with some glory, his ego would not let him leave if they do not win anything or secure a top 4 finish

2) He could not stand anyone else coming in and spending his war chest, in case they got instant glory

I disagree but we shall see..... Wenger is set in his ways, I think he'll have another tilt at the Wenger Experiment. I also think, and I've said it before, he is scared to spend big, to spend 100m on 4 or 5 players because if he still doesn't win he faces ridicule. This scenario is perfect for him, minimum outlay (for some reason the scandalous wage bill is overlooked) plod along, get 4th and it looks like he's overachieved considering his frugality. Blow 100m and still get 4th doesn't look so good.

I think in his heart Wenger knows if he spent 200m he probably still wouldn't win it. You can lie to everybody, you cannot bullshit yourself.

[Redarmy]

At the risk of repeating myself but have a strong feeling Wenger will spend big in the summer

1) If and it is a big IF....he does go will want to go out with some glory, his ego would not let him leave if they do not win anything or secure a top 4 finish

2) He could not stand anyone else coming in and spending his war chest, in case they got instant glory

he will not spend big for the following reasons

1. Leicester City just won the league so his arrogance will try and replicate this feat
2. Euro 2016 so too busy to deal with transfers
3. who the fuck with a big price tag is going to come to serial losers like ourselves
4. we are now probably the 4th most attractive team in London for a big player to come to
5. if Ozil leaves any other top player will be put off coming
6. have you learnt nothing over the past 20 years Wenger will never really spend that big!

Yes all good points but we shall see.....

[Redarmy]

At the risk of repeating myself but have a strong feeling Wenger will spend big in the summer

1) If and it is a big IF....he does go will want to go out with some glory, his ego would not let him leave if they do not win anything or secure a top 4 finish

2) He could not stand anyone else coming in and spending his war chest, in case they got instant glory

I disagree but we shall see..... Wenger is set in his ways, I think he'll have another tilt at the Wenger Experiment. I also think, and I've said it before, he is scared to spend big, to spend 100m on 4 or 5 players because if he still doesn't win he faces ridicule. This scenario is perfect for him, minimum outlay (for some reason the scandalous wage bill is overlooked) plod along, get 4th and it looks like he's overachieved considering his frugality. Blow 100m and still get 4th doesn't look so good.

I think in his heart Wenger knows if he spent 200m he probably still wouldn't win it. You can lie to everybody, you cannot bullshit yourself.

I think he knows he is coming to the end and the competition will be fierce next season, his top 4 VT is no formality, he may just put his head on the block with big signings...as you say we shall see

[DB10GOONER]

I suppose anything is possible, but I think what will stop Wenger spending big is that some pundits and media commentators are publicly saying he needs to. His ego will not let him do anything that isn't (or can't be spun as) his own invention. This is the man that even tried to take credit for Leicester winning the PL, because he said it could be done - even though we all know he meant by him.