As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
SPARKSY wrote:As much as Adrian Durham does talk some shit about our club, the piece he has done today in the mailonline is spot on. Have to agree with him completely.
You might be mocking this, laughing at the idea that Arsenal could attract a player like Neymar. Well, why not?
The money is there, surely Wenger still has persuasive powers, and they have Champions League football (subject to coming through a qualifier). Or is this a club ready to accept inferiority away from the elite of Europe?
The Neymar thing is pure stupidity. Why would you join Arsenal (no trophies in 8 seasons) when you can join Barcelona (10 major trophies in the last 8 seasons)? In Barcelona, you get to play with (and learn from) one of the best forwards ever and Barcelona also has a history of great Brazilian forwards (Romario, Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho).
Tevez? He wanted to leave England but maybe we did go for him and he rejected us. Anyway we don't know if we ever went for him.
northbank123 wrote:I'm not convinced by Benteke. Better than our current options? Have to say that he probably is. Good enough to be our #1 striker? Not for me.
Aside from the fact that a large number of his goals seem to have been pens, when I've watched him half the time he plays well and grabs a goal and half the time he is fucking woeful. Truly woeful.
As for Florentino Perez, it's hardly unheard of for Spanish club presidents to do their peacock routine and he is no different. Appears to be a complete wanker and I do not believe for one minute that there have been no negotiations whatsoever as to the fee. Just Billy BigDick over there trying to impress the fans.
Yeah, I don't see that he's better than Giroud. Everything at Villa went through Benteke like Michu at Swansea. It was the same with RVP in his last season or so with us. The difference with us now is that the goals are spread around most of the players up top. Although I think we can certainly improve, I don't think Benteke would be that man.
Looks like Sevilla are doing the same with Negredo. Everyone saying City were in talks blah blah. Sevilla say they've not even had an offer.
The reports I've heard about Negredo haven't been fantastic tbh - the ones I can remember hearing this summer and last basically suggested that Sevilla would demand a ridiculous fee for a bloke who, although having a good goalscoring season in Spain last year, is a little bit of a donkey and worse than the players they've shipped out.
SPARKSY wrote:As much as Adrian Durham does talk some shit about our club, the piece he has done today in the mailonline is spot on. Have to agree with him completely.
You might be mocking this, laughing at the idea that Arsenal could attract a player like Neymar. Well, why not?
The money is there, surely Wenger still has persuasive powers, and they have Champions League football (subject to coming through a qualifier). Or is this a club ready to accept inferiority away from the elite of Europe?
The Neymar thing is pure stupidity. Why would you join Arsenal (no trophies in 8 seasons) when you can join Barcelona (10 major trophies in the last 8 seasons)? In Barcelona, you get to play with (and learn from) one of the best forwards ever and Barcelona also has a history of great Brazilian forwards (Romario, Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho).
Tevez? He wanted to leave England but maybe we did go for him and he rejected us. Anyway we don't know if we ever went for him.
Falcao? How much are Monaco paying him?
Spot on pal. I can understand peoples frustrations but suggesting we "missed out" on players like Falcao and Neymar is beyond stupid.
SPARKSY wrote:As much as Adrian Durham does talk some shit about our club, the piece he has done today in the mailonline is spot on. Have to agree with him completely.
You might be mocking this, laughing at the idea that Arsenal could attract a player like Neymar. Well, why not?
The money is there, surely Wenger still has persuasive powers, and they have Champions League football (subject to coming through a qualifier). Or is this a club ready to accept inferiority away from the elite of Europe?
The Neymar thing is pure stupidity. Why would you join Arsenal (no trophies in 8 seasons) when you can join Barcelona (10 major trophies in the last 8 seasons)? In Barcelona, you get to play with (and learn from) one of the best forwards ever and Barcelona also has a history of great Brazilian forwards (Romario, Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho).
Tevez? He wanted to leave England but maybe we did go for him and he rejected us. Anyway we don't know if we ever went for him.
Falcao? How much are Monaco paying him?
Spot on pal. I can understand peoples frustrations but suggesting we "missed out" on players like Falcao and Neymar is beyond stupid.
Agreed. Falcao will be on absolutely stupid money at Monaco (considering their tax status), Neymar had the choice of basically any club he wanted. Although I don't agree with our 'wage structure' I also don't think it would be a fantastic idea to come in and put somebody like Tevez on £40k a week more than anybody else. Maybe for an absolutely world class player or to keep hold of one within our ranks (not that we currently have any) but certainly not Tevez with his attitude, reputation and intermittent quality. And that's what it would have cost, if it was an option at all.
Wenger should be judged against who was realistically attainable, and with the likes of David Villa, Mario Gomez and surely Higuain moving clubs (as well as Jovetic being a realistic option against numerous other players of far superior quality to what we have now), there's no need to start pretending that the likes of Falcao or Neymar were feasible, or that we failed to capitalise on Ronaldo's apparent discontent at Madrid. And that's just the forwards.
Stopped readng his post when he mentioned the ginga Arsenal hater.
Tevez on over 250k a week,Neymar the hottest property n football to a team stuck in 3rd/4th spot for 8yrs and Falcao who could only have gone to Monaco to trouser lots of tax free wonga. If Ginga talks any sense, somethng I doubt having had the misfortune of listening to his rants/shows a few years ago, he certainly wasn't talkng any in suggesting we should have signed those players.
SCREAM AIM FIRE wrote:Quite amazing that Arsenal are unwilling to pay the extra £7m...or 2 weeks gate receipts...
Same shit different year!
Is that a fact? or the latest bullshit rumour to hit twitter?
But even if it is true, £7m is a lot of money to throw away if you can negotiate it down
I don't have a business degree, but it seems wise to try and make your limited budget stretch as far as possible... especially when your rivals have a bottomless pit of money available.
People are always 'just pay the 7 million and get him!!' but that's not really a way to run any football club. Otherwise you'ld be just paying what the clubs are demanding all the time. I still think the Higuain deal will come about. The quotes from the President make no sense given the quotes from his agents and pretty much every spanish journalist etc. I suppose 'no bid' means they've been talking and Arsenal are yet to reach the target they require. The player wants to come and Real want to look powerful. It's in many ways what we've been doing to clubs for the past few years.
I agree - whilst our incessant haggling over minor amounts is pretty fucking annoying and seems to have cost us in the past, doesn't mean we should let this bloke who thinks he's the second coming of General Franco bully us around with cheap tactics. Just making himself look like an idiot pretending that there's a chance Higuain might be persuaded to stay.
We should have got the deal tied up by now - or actually made some serious moves for alternative options like Gomez and not just apparently made a silly bid for Suarez - but Perez is just being a twat.
northbank123 wrote:I agree - whilst our incessant haggling over minor amounts is pretty fucking annoying and seems to have cost us in the past, doesn't mean we should let this bloke who thinks he's the second coming of General Franco bully us around with cheap tactics. Just making himself look like an idiot pretending that there's a chance Higuain might be persuaded to stay.
We should have got the deal tied up by now - or actually made some serious moves for alternative options like Gomez and not just apparently made a silly bid for Suarez - but Perez is just being a twat.
I understand that sentiment and I can understand those who are appealing for calm but it is impossible to just dismiss our recent transfer window history as though it never happened. This morning I tried to explain to my two boys (aged 10 and 8years old) on how the transfer saga's generally go - first a club makes a bid then the selling club looks for more money and then more often than not the clubs will end up striking a deal at a price somewhere in the middle. The thing is though, that we dont seem to operate the same way as everybody else - to me it seems that our first bid ends up generally being a take it or leave it bid which isnt normal practice in any business where large amounts of money are involved The case in point here seems to be the fellaini situation - wenger knows that the guy has a clause in his contract that allows him to join a champions league team for 23m but yet we go in and try and low bid them by only offering 20m ? Wtf is that all about ? Surely if wenger rates the guy enough to try and buy him then he would pay the full 23m ? I know to the ordinary man and woman on the street 3m is big money but in football circles 23m doesnt seem like much of a jump from 20m especially for a guy with his cv, so if wenger rates him then sign him ffs cos imo if he only wants him at 20m then he never really was sure about fellaini in the first place and if thats the case then dont sign him cos we have enough c>unts that are not good enough as it is
Did anyone here really think we would buy Rooney and pay him over £250,000 per week ? Also did anyone think the scousers would take 30 mill for Suarez ????? it is all pure bullshit , Arsenal are a selling club !!!!
I even doubt Higuain will come , someone will jump in and nick him , manure , citeh , because if we wanted him that much he would be signed now.
But Wenger and that Gazidas twat will tell the world we were in for the top players but we did not get them !
Gareth Barry and Loic Remy , yes but would they improve the squad (what Wenger would say -no).
Sorry but i am used to all of this bullshit , every year is deja vu