Wenger Out protest thread

[NickF]

The Protest I do find embarrassing and ill thought out. The abuse I saw online shouted at players on the bus I have difficulty with and how people can think such things don't have a negative effect on the team is also beyond my limited intellect to comprehend.

Unless you've seen a different video to me, I didn't see anything particularly bad at the player bus, they should be thankful it isn't Spain, Italy or Turkey! Not quite sure what you expect, they put in a gutless performance on top of several other gutless performances away from home, they are not going to be nicely applauded. As far as negative effects, do you not think the uncertainty about Wenger's contract is more of a negative effect?

Just out of curiousity how would you have done the protest if you think it is ill thought out?

[Steve_I]

Many people struggle with those sentiments Steve but you are entitled to them, wrong as you are

As for Wenger being our greatest ever Manager, if you just look at the first 8-10 years yes, take the second half he'd be nothing but a middle of the road manager, 2 FA cups in 12 complete seasons is very poor for a club of our size and financial resources.

As for the tactics things, it isn't necessarily the tactics he sends them out with that people struggle with but the fact that he is unable to react to whats going on on the pitch, when things go badly he does nothing more often than not, well except berate the fourth official.

The fact is the boys have done a sterling job organising these protests even thoough i disagree with the target myself and why you find them embarrassing and ill thought out escapes me, are we to just accept our team continuing to languish in its own malaise going nowhere and still give them our unstinting support?

This is not a free entertainment we follow, we pay for it and therefore we have the right to expect more from our 'investment'.

Of course I am wrong, as are you

My problem is that I believe people feel entitled to more than our positioning necessarily dictates. Yes, I agree, it is frustrating given where we have come from and the moves we have made but, with the exception of Leicester, we haven't come behind a team with less resources than ourselves in recent years I know we didn't 'challenge' for the title to any great level at the business end of the season but we did, (again with the exception of Leicester) finish above where our 'resources' would dictate, last year. If we talk about resources then do we have to ignore Leicester?

Trust me I am gutted and exasperated by our current league form and position and if I knew what would make the difference I would shout it from the rooftops (without abusing manager or players during games of course)

Here's a thing:

At the recent game at home to West Ham, there was a pro Arsene banner at the end of the game and a round of applause after that corner of the ground sang "one Arsene Wenger" I always wait at end until the rush has gone down before walk to the pub. A chap who sits along for me is as negative as one can be and in stark contrast to my 'positive' outlook we have a post game 'debate' on most occasions (apart from the recent 1-5 to the Germans when he was so angry he made no eye contact with me as he walked by (a sensible move for both of us perhaps) He wants change and we can chat about it amicably on most games. What he will never do however, he told me this when I asked, is chant negatively, wave banners etc during games. I think there are many that feel the same as he while there are still many who feel like me.

What me and my co-gooner pal both have in common is one thing, the love of Arsenal and the (two things) the love of Arsenal and the bewilderment of people shouting abuse at players/manager during games and the love of banter(three things) The love of Arsenal, The bewilderment of people shouting abuse at players/manager during games and the banter which we indulge in at each game we meet. So that and the desire to see us win things.

Bugger that's four - . The love of Arsenal, The bewilderment of people shouting abuse at players/manager during games and the banter which we indulge in at each game we meet and the desire to see us win things. So those four things we share but the answer to the fourth we differ on. We will both be there (health prevailing) next season and the next etc etc and will deal with defeat in our differing ways. Me annoyingly trying to make light (it's my coping mechanism) and his furious and thunderous silence and pulsing temple veins, but we'll meet again next time and cheer on the team together.

Bit drunk now so that'll do as work in morning and going to drink tea and watch football.

[Steve_I]

The Protest I do find embarrassing and ill thought out. The abuse I saw online shouted at players on the bus I have difficulty with and how people can think such things don't have a negative effect on the team is also beyond my limited intellect to comprehend.

Unless you've seen a different video to me, I didn't see anything particularly bad at the player bus, they should be thankful it isn't Spain, Italy or Turkey! Not quite sure what you expect, they put in a gutless performance on top of several other gutless performances away from home, they are not going to be nicely applauded. As far as negative effects, do you not think the uncertainty about Wenger's contract is more of a negative effect?

Just out of curiousity how would you have done the protest if you think it is ill thought out?

I wouldn't have done it. But had I been so inclined I would do the chanting outside the stadium, the marching, the loud hailering and the ranting on tv but I wouldn't have done anything in the ground, at the players/manager whilst playing nor shouted abuse at people - players or otherwise. It's just not me. I meet people each game in the pub a couple of whom think differently to me. We argue and debate over a pint or two before the game, after the game and sometimes at half time while we stand and wait the second half, but during play each of us cheer on the team. I find it all embarrassing because I go to work and people laugh more at our fan than the result. Part of th whole football thing is the banter/barracking between teams, the one upmanship, and when someone says to me "I see you Arsenal fans are ranting and abusing your manage again" It riles me. Other fans singing 'we want you to stay' is, imo, simply because some of our own fans have shouted him out. Had we not done that we would not have other fans singing that. fans from team a dozen places or so below us in the table. (my opinion) Others laugh at us and we would do so at them (and have done) when situations have been reversed. I also genuinely believe the protests do more harm than good (even If I though Wenger going was good) and given the Board we have, think they will be so much more inclined to keep him rather than be seen to respond to fan pressure. People have been campaigning for a decade or so and effectively - even if he leaves now because of protests, it would be seen as the least effective protest ever. Again something for others to laugh at. That's where the embarrassment comes from.

I did a petition once, got over 100k signatures, got discussed in parliament, Made a slight change to something, but I was polite throughout. People in positions of power take so much more notice of polite people.

[GoonerMuzz]

The Protest I do find embarrassing and ill thought out. The abuse I saw online shouted at players on the bus I have difficulty with and how people can think such things don't have a negative effect on the team is also beyond my limited intellect to comprehend.

Unless you've seen a different video to me, I didn't see anything particularly bad at the player bus, they should be thankful it isn't Spain, Italy or Turkey! Not quite sure what you expect, they put in a gutless performance on top of several other gutless performances away from home, they are not going to be nicely applauded. As far as negative effects, do you not think the uncertainty about Wenger's contract is more of a negative effect?

Just out of curiousity how would you have done the protest if you think it is ill thought out?

I wouldn't have done it. But had I been so inclined I would do the chanting outside the stadium, the marching, the loud hailering and the ranting on tv but I wouldn't have done anything in the ground, at the players/manager whilst playing nor shouted abuse at people - players or otherwise. It's just not me. I meet people each game in the pub a couple of whom think differently to me. We argue and debate over a pint or two before the game, after the game and sometimes at half time while we stand and wait the second half, but during play each of us cheer on the team. I find it all embarrassing because I go to work and people laugh more at our fan than the result. Part of th whole football thing is the banter/barracking between teams, the one upmanship, and when someone says to me "I see you Arsenal fans are ranting and abusing your manage again" It riles me. Other fans singing 'we want you to stay' is, imo, simply because some of our own fans have shouted him out. Had we not done that we would not have other fans singing that. fans from team a dozen places or so below us in the table. (my opinion) Others laugh at us and we would do so at them (and have done) when situations have been reversed. I also genuinely believe the protests do more harm than good (even If I though Wenger going was good) and given the Board we have, think they will be so much more inclined to keep him rather than be seen to respond to fan pressure. People have been campaigning for a decade or so and effectively - even if he leaves now because of protests, it would be seen as the least effective protest ever. Again something for others to laugh at. That's where the embarrassment comes from.

I did a petition once, got over 100k signatures, got discussed in parliament, Made a slight change to something, but I was polite throughout. People in positions of power take so much more notice of polite people.

The problem is when its outside the ground pre/post match just dont seem to have the desired impact or effect, so what else are they supposed to do, accept things and plow £1300-1500 a year into a team going nowhere and keep quiet?

As for the resources thing this is another misleading stat, shockingly we are now (2017) according to Forbes currently the 5th richest club in the world with more resources available than Man City, Chelsea or Man U should the board members decide to use them. Link:

http://www.totalsportek.com/money/riche ... all-clubs/

Usmanov is one of the richest men in Russia currently valued at approx $15B and Stan at $7.5B, Abramovich is worth a mere $7.6B, Sheikh Mansour roughly $17B, the Glazers about $3.8B so our resources are significantly higher than the others, just because the owners wont use them doesn't mean don't have the resources.

The protesters have every right to protest especially when you look at what they are helping fund and feeling they are not getting the most return compared to the wealthy clubs around them.

[sk-gtfo]

As for the resources thing this is another misleading stat, shockingly we are now (2017) according to Forbes currently the 5th richest club in the world with more resources available than Man City, Chelsea or Man U should the board members decide to use them. Link:

http://www.totalsportek.com/money/riche ... all-clubs/

Usmanov is one of the richest men in Russia currently valued at approx $15B and Stan at $7.5B, Abramovich is worth a mere $7.6B, Sheikh Mansour roughly $17B, the Glazers about $3.8B so our resources are significantly higher than the others, just because the owners wont use them doesn't mean don't have the resources.

The protesters have every right to protest especially when you look at what they are helping fund and feeling they are not getting the most return compared to the wealthy clubs around them.

Exactly, always p*sses me off when I hear this line that we cannot compete etc. it is a choice not to invest by our board, the money we have spent more recently is a direct result of a combination of the high gate money (expensive tickets..), increasing commercial revenue (still lagging behind most comparable clubs!) and increased PL TV rights money, so the board have not given Wenger any money that wasn't already there. They also have chosen to lock Usmanov out of the board room because they are childish old-Etonian types running their pathetic little "genetlemens" club, f*ck off and take your cigar with you!.

[NickF]

As for the resources thing this is another misleading stat, shockingly we are now (2017) according to Forbes currently the 5th richest club in the world with more resources available than Man City, Chelsea or Man U should the board members decide to use them. Link:

http://www.totalsportek.com/money/riche ... all-clubs/

Usmanov is one of the richest men in Russia currently valued at approx $15B and Stan at $7.5B, Abramovich is worth a mere $7.6B, Sheikh Mansour roughly $17B, the Glazers about $3.8B so our resources are significantly higher than the others, just because the owners wont use them doesn't mean don't have the resources.

The protesters have every right to protest especially when you look at what they are helping fund and feeling they are not getting the most return compared to the wealthy clubs around them.

Exactly, always p*sses me off when I hear this line that we cannot compete etc. it is a choice not to invest by our board, the money we have spent more recently is a direct result of a combination of the high gate money (expensive tickets..), increasing commercial revenue (still lagging behind most comparable clubs!) and increased PL TV rights money, so the board have not given Wenger any money that wasn't already there. They also have chosen to lock Usmanov out of the board room because they are childish old-Etonian types running their pathetic little "genetlemens" club, f*ck off and take your cigar with you!.

Wenger hasn't exactly spent the money given to him wisely. He baulks at paying realistic prices for players and then overpays poor players. Our wage bill is just 18m less than Chelsea FFS, yet we are miles behind them at the moment.

I keep hearing about 200m available this summer but I for one would not trust it to Wenger.

[sk-gtfo]

Wenger hasn't exactly spent the money given to him wisely. He baulks at paying realistic prices for players and then overpays poor players. Our wage bill is just 18m less than Chelsea FFS, yet we are miles behind them at the moment.

I keep hearing about 200m available this summer but I for one would not trust it to Wenger.

Agreed he hasn't spent it wisely, you could even go back to the infamous days of his failed 'socialist' wage policy, when he had the likes of Denilson, Bendtner, Diaby, Djourou and co all on £50k+ a week (probably amounts to about £80k+ in today's football terms).

The £200m headline was a bit misleading because it was adding in money we would get for selling players like Sanchez, who will cost £50M+ to replace, it is also annoying that now we have come out of the lean years (which were bs anyway) that because of the new TV money all the top PL clubs will have huge money to spend as well.

I would not want Wenger to spend it as like you I wouldn't trust him, but if he is allowed to then I don't blame him, I blame the board who allow him to continue this spiral into midtable mediocrity, simply because they are clueless idiots who can't come up with a better vision for the club than "Arsene Knows", this vision died a decade ago ffs.

[armchair]

Theres a whole fucking thread dedicated to debating the pros and cons of Wenger fs.
Is it possible we can keep all that shit over there? The mods have said this thread is for discussing Wenger Out protests.

Please dont let AKBs derail this thread with their nonsense.

Thanks

[armchair]

Wenger Out wedding in County Louth, Ireland

[armchair]

[MecurialGooner]

Theres a whole fucking thread dedicated to debating the pros and cons of Wenger fs.
Is it possible we can keep all that shit over there? The mods have said this thread is for discussing Wenger Out protests.

Please dont let AKBs derail this thread with their nonsense.

Thanks

[xisstential]

The Protest I do find embarrassing and ill thought out. The abuse I saw online shouted at players on the bus I have difficulty with and how people can think such things don't have a negative effect on the team is also beyond my limited intellect to comprehend.

Unless you've seen a different video to me, I didn't see anything particularly bad at the player bus, they should be thankful it isn't Spain, Italy or Turkey! Not quite sure what you expect, they put in a gutless performance on top of several other gutless performances away from home, they are not going to be nicely applauded. As far as negative effects, do you not think the uncertainty about Wenger's contract is more of a negative effect?

Just out of curiousity how would you have done the protest if you think it is ill thought out?

I wouldn't have done it. But had I been so inclined I would do the chanting outside the stadium, the marching, the loud hailering and the ranting on tv but I wouldn't have done anything in the ground, at the players/manager whilst playing nor shouted abuse at people - players or otherwise. It's just not me. I meet people each game in the pub a couple of whom think differently to me. We argue and debate over a pint or two before the game, after the game and sometimes at half time while we stand and wait the second half, but during play each of us cheer on the team. I find it all embarrassing because I go to work and people laugh more at our fan than the result. Part of th whole football thing is the banter/barracking between teams, the one upmanship, and when someone says to me "I see you Arsenal fans are ranting and abusing your manage again" It riles me. Other fans singing 'we want you to stay' is, imo, simply because some of our own fans have shouted him out. Had we not done that we would not have other fans singing that. fans from team a dozen places or so below us in the table. (my opinion) Others laugh at us and we would do so at them (and have done) when situations have been reversed. I also genuinely believe the protests do more harm than good (even If I though Wenger going was good) and given the Board we have, think they will be so much more inclined to keep him rather than be seen to respond to fan pressure. People have been campaigning for a decade or so and effectively - even if he leaves now because of protests, it would be seen as the least effective protest ever. Again something for others to laugh at. That's where the embarrassment comes from.

I did a petition once, got over 100k signatures, got discussed in parliament, Made a slight change to something, but I was polite throughout. People in positions of power take so much more notice of polite people.

Armchair you are right but I think I just need to answer Steve here. Steve we are going to change tack....we are going to ask Arsene nicely to please leave. I think that should do the trick

[Babu]

I did a petition once, got over 100k signatures, got discussed in parliament, Made a slight change to something, but I was polite throughout. People in positions of power take so much more notice of polite people.

Great idea!

This will get results!

I'm not sure which one will have the greatest impact!

They are both very powerful statements!

[augie]

I thought that it was generally accepted a long time ago that the guy is a wum ? Please stop responding to his posts and maybe then the thread wont be derailed

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

Wenger Out wedding in County Louth, Ireland

Is this just befor they went on the Jeremy Kyle show