THE WENGER THREAD

[Henry Norris 1913]

Ozil might have said he joined because of wenger, it's sure better than saying he joined because we were the only club in for him, and could offer him CL football and loads of money.

Don't think he would have signed for port Vale if wenger was there.

[OneBardGooner]

Had a 'discussion' with an AKB in the pub last night - When I said I LOVE The Arsenal but I (now) HATE Wenger.

He simply could not understand and separate the 2 - Like all the AKB's who were avin a go at the Banner Bearers Last Season AKB's are a bunch o' ceeeuuunnntsss.

[Belfast Boy]

I wonder if AW's motives are as everyone is suggesting, cos surely he's got to realise that by "clipping his wings" instead of bein inside the tent pissin out he's now gonna be outside the tent pissin in without conflict as G. Neville did which led to AF called him an idiot over his criticism particularly of De Gea can you imagine havin to walk in to OT on a Monday to coach and bumpin into to old blue nose bustin a blood vessel after rippin in to his team over the wknd on Sky TV???

[DB10GOONER]

Ozil might have said he joined because of wenger, it's sure better than saying he joined because we were the only club in for him, and could offer him CL football and loads of money.

Don't think he would have signed for port Vale if wenger was there.

Obviously he wouldn't be signing for Port Vale. Tbh that's a silly comparison. And no one is saying the money and prestige didn't play some part - he is human after all. Ozil is top class. We don't know who might have made approaches for him. But obviously he was gonna pick a big club. So if 2 or 3 big clubs expressed an interest and he spoke to all of them, and they were all offering roughly the same package, he might have been swayed by Wenger because of this "belief in him" thing.

My point is no one on here knows what Wenger said to him - but everyone seems to assume that Wenger (or whoever at the club finalised the Sanchez and Ozil deals) lied to them and promised huge signings. We do not know that.

[Redarmy]

Ozil might have said he joined because of wenger, it's sure better than saying he joined because we were the only club in for him, and could offer him CL football and loads of money.

Don't think he would have signed for port Vale if wenger was there.

Obviously he wouldn't be signing for Port Vale. Tbh that's a silly comparison. And no one is saying the money and prestige didn't play some part - he is human after all. Ozil is top class. We don't know who might have made approaches for him. But obviously he was gonna pick a big club. So if 2 or 3 big clubs expressed an interest and he spoke to all of them, and they were all offering roughly the same package, he might have been swayed by Wenger because of this "belief in him" thing.

My point is no one on here knows what Wenger said to him - but everyone seems to assume that Wenger (or whoever at the club finalised the Sanchez and Ozil deals) lied to them and promised huge signings. We do not know that.

Think he lied to them also that they were an ambitious club ready to win trophies, be able compete with the best in CL

[armchair]

Thank you Augie for the welcome and for being gentle with me it's hard to come on here sometimes mainly because the club is stale at the moment and so it is with the debates and being very much in the minority I don't have time to debate with half the board every time I post.

When I say that I'm in the minority that does not mean that I'm pro Wenger I've had many debates with my pro AW bestie, some of them pretty heated purely down to the subject matter, so I do understand why the forum is as it is, but because nearly all the board members have come to absolutely detest AW it stifles any real balanced debate and makes the forum an unpleasant one as peeps come on here mostly to vent and take out their frustrations on other members!

"I'm not an AKB but.............."

Zero football posts in a year, contributing nothing to this forum, then come on to defend Wenger and moan that theres no "real balanced debate" and this forum is "unpleasent "?
Behave yourself fs.

As for your point about Henry and his punditry being a conflict of interests. I look at it in the round as Wenger did the same shit with Vieira and mad Jens. Hes also allowed Arteta to go to City. None of those players were working as pundits full time and no conflict of interests.
Wenger is an egotist and controls everything and loves to get all the plaudits. Look how when Keown was coaching defence and getting results he blew him off. And when Bould was having similair success couple of seasons ago Wenger soon put a stop to that.

Wenger does whats good for Wenger not whats good for this club going forward. More and more Wenger apologists are begining to realise it. Not before time imo.

Reckon Wenger could have scored an own goal with his treatment of Henry.
I've been very critical of ex players not calling it how it is about Wenger when doing their punditry, especially Henry. Lets hope Henry is less diplomatic and more honest in his assessments of Wenger next season

[Herd]

People keep going on about Viera bieng snubbed but its hardly surprising as they fought like cat and dog when he was captain. By the time PV left their relationshop was strained to say the least. PV ignored wengers set ups and ran the team. The only thing wenger did was pick the team which kind of picked itself. contary to the public image it was wenger that ousted PV not the other way round although he was happy to go at the end.

[Herd]

People keep going on about Viera bieng snubbed but its hardly surprising as they fought like cat and dog when he was captain. By the time PV left their relationshop was strained to say the least. PV ignored wengers set ups and ran the team. The only thing wenger did was pick the team which kind of picked itself. contary to the public image it was wenger that ousted PV not the other way round although he was happy to go at the end.

[OneBardGooner]

Whichever way we look at it Wenger is a cun.t

[supergeorgegraham]

I think we all thought Wenger would finally compete in the transfer market because it's the last year of his contract and the fans and players are far from happy. Firstly you don't keep Sanchez and Ozil if we can't compete in the Champions League.
Secondly the fans have had enough of the team not competing for the Premier League.
Yes United have wasted money on players but with Mourinho they are still spending a fortune because the fans demand success.
Thirdly WHY put yourself and the club through another unhappy season when it could be your last. Does Kronke demand we don't spend money. It's all very strange and there is no hiding place for Wenger anymore or indeed any player who continues to fail to perform like Walcott and a few others we all know.

oh come on you have had years of Wenger not competing in the transfer market. Why would he change now?
1) Sanchez and Ozil are still here as far as I can see


2) the fans gave him a vote of confidence at the "protest against Wenger" last season. He can therefore do as he likes
3) Wenger will see that the team finished 2nd last season and which he, the board and the vast majority of the numbskulls that now inhabit the Emirates see as a massive success

when we finish 4th again next season those same "fans" will be claiming it to be one of Wenger's greatest achievements considering there are so many top class managers in the PL now. it will then be just a question of when not if le cock signs his latest contract. the torture continues...

Oh come one. In the last few seasons Wenger has been slaughtered his reputation is in ruins. Yes he has a loyal base of fans but good on them. He is running out of time fast and is heading into a shit storm this season.
I honestly think his biggest ever betrayal was backing Kronke. Since he arrived we lost all forward momentum and Wenger took the money and played ball even if the team could not play ball.

[armchair]

I honestly think his biggest ever betrayal was backing Kronke. Since he arrived we lost all forward momentum and Wenger took the money and played ball even if the team could not play ball.

Wenger didnt back Kroenke. Kroenke backed Wenger by allowing him full control of all footballing matters.
Wenger was failing before Kroenke arrived and by Wengers own admission has never refused him cash for transfers.
Even during the early days of the stadium move there was at least £30mil available to Wenger for players. (As revealed by Dein recentley)

[mcdowell42]

According to wengers lap dog john cross Sanchez could miss the start of the season due to an injury he picked up at the copa America ,if you add in ozil,Giroud and kos being given extended break due to them playing to the final games of the Euros ,we are looking at Theo/ Sanogo/akpom being our strikers for the game against the bindippers


Arsene knows



Oh and PS,rumours the BFG will take over from Arteta as club Captain.

[GoonerMuzz]

According to wengers lap dog john cross Sanchez could miss the start of the season due to an injury he picked up at the copa America ,if you add in ozil,Giroud and kos being given extended break due to them playing to the final games of the Euros ,we are looking at Theo/ Sanogo/akpom being our strikers for the game against the bindippers


Arsene knows



Oh and PS,rumours the BFG will take over from Arteta as club Captain.

Now that would be a travesty, a man who regularly turns his back on the ball, is slower to turn than a supertanker and whom the proverbial tortoise would show a clean pair of heels too, and finally whom is more often than not silent as the grave on the pitch as the club captain...

From TA and PV to Per Mertesacker.........

[Wilson]

Its easy to resent Wenger. I dont think he is totally useless, I think deep down he knows what Giroud is, but because of Wenger's ego, he cant bring himself to cull Giroud for another striker, as he would have caved to the demands by pundits and media. The urge to stick with Giroud and basically say 'F off, im boss' to the fans and media is to much for him to resist. He places blind faith in Giroud, hoping he manages to perform brilliantly, just so he can tyurn around and say 'I told you so'.

It was the same with Almunia - Wenger's ego wouldn't allow him to accept being wrong, Wenger would not cave to the masses who said Almunia wasnt good enough, so he kept with him for 3 straight years as number 1.

This is why its easy to resent Wenger. Because more often than not, the basic needs of the team, take a back seat to Wenger's own ego.

I also hate how the press flips everything back to front to make Wenger look good. The press say 'Wenger sticks to his principles'. When actually they should be saying, Wenger is inflexible with no thought capacity to deviate from his initial plan. Wenger is a rigid thinker with tunnel vision.

[Redarmy]

According to wengers lap dog john cross Sanchez could miss the start of the season due to an injury he picked up at the copa America ,if you add in ozil,Giroud and kos being given extended break due to them playing to the final games of the Euros ,we are looking at Theo/ Sanogo/akpom being our strikers for the game against the bindippers


Arsene knows



Oh and PS,rumours the BFG will take over from Arteta as club Captain.

Had all this time to prepare a target list of players required, with a first and second choice, seem to be half heartedly linked with anyone..but here we are going into the new season with a seriously weak squad...it is totally ridiculous negligence on Wengers part

Liverpool 12/5 to win at the Emirates looks a good bet to me....followed by Leicester with Vardy inevitably scoring, its going to be a difficult season in my opinion