THE WENGER THREAD

[BFG4]

DB10 -"Banning twatter users for being racist cúnts is a brilliant thing and I'll never disagree with that policy".

I don't think anyone is suggesting that the club shouldn't ban people for Despicable behaviour like being a racist, or being homophobic, or just generally abusive, but like every other club policy, I get the feeling the club wont stick merely to these guidelines. This is a club that has ejected people from the ground, for displaying anti-Wenger sentiments, and even went as far as sending Arsenal stewards up to Manchester, to prevent fans from showing anti-Wenger banners. Do you really think that a club that goes to such lengths to prevent free speech, wouldn't do likewise for fans with an anti-Wenger or anti board sentiments on social media?

[rodders999]

320 days until his contract expires

No it ain't, my masturbatory-addicted friend! May 30th 2025 is a lot more than 320 days away!

I've made a contingency plan for such an eventuality that involves downing a pint glass of toilet duck, sticking a shot gun down my throat and squeezing the trigger with my big fuking toe. Goodbye cold world.........goodbye

[DB10GOONER]

DB10 -"Banning twatter users for being racist cúnts is a brilliant thing and I'll never disagree with that policy".

I don't think anyone is suggesting that the club shouldn't ban people for Despicable behaviour like being a racist, or being homophobic, or just generally abusive, but like every other club policy, I get the feeling the club wont stick merely to these guidelines. This is a club that has ejected people from the ground, for displaying anti-Wenger sentiments, and even went as far as sending Arsenal stewards up to Manchester, to prevent fans from showing anti-Wenger banners. Do you really think that a club that goes to such lengths to prevent free speech, wouldn't do likewise for fans with an anti-Wenger or anti board sentiments on social media?

They are two different things. Banners in the ground is a private property/right-to-refuse-admission issue, and tbh, that is their legal right. Twatter is social media and I doubt the club would be foolish enough (given they employ very expensive PR firms to advise them ) to alienate basically everybody on planet earth by banning people for non-abusive, non-racist critical remarks. There is a sensible limit that even the "great evil entity Arsenal" will not go past. It would be a PR disaster.

The only really stupid thing they have done so far was the stewards in manchester. And there is a legality question there tbh. Did the manc (as owners of the stadium) request that Arsenal stewards remove the banners? Because if they didn't, then I don't think the Arsenal stewards had a legal (or moral) right to remove non-offensive banners at another club's stadium.... And I'd imagine the club were advised by the PR cúnts to get manc stewards to remove them next time.

Not having a dig at you here, BFG4, more a general comment, but TBH I'm getting so bored now of the hysterical paranoia on this forum. It's like self-propagating stupidity at times on here. I will take €20 of anyone's money right now that not one single Arsenal fan will be banned from the Conglomerate's this season because they posted non-abusive, non-racist, non homophobic comments about the club. Anyone? Anyone?

And to be honest, if someone is tweeting or posting "I hope Wenger dies of AIDS" or any similar embarrassing and offensive shit then they too should be fucking banned for being a fucking moron. I'm starting to believe that freedom of speech should be like my belief in freedom to own a weapon. Yes, that freedom should exist, but not for everybody.

[herbert]

The only really stupid thing they have done so far was the stewards in manchester. And there is a legality question there tbh. Did the manc (as owners of the stadium) request that Arsenal stewards remove the banners? Because if they didn't, then I don't think the Arsenal stewards had a legal (or moral) right to remove non-offensive banners at another club's stadium.... And I'd imagine the club were advised by the PR cúnts to get manc stewards to remove them next time.

Just a thought but maybe it was to stop the infighting between the gooners
the banners at away games are a big no no for me and like I said to the young fella at city who reminded me that its Arsenal fc and not Arsene fc
if you cared that much then a mass demonstration by all like minded people outside the directors entrance at the bowl would have more impact
and would be more in keeping with Arsenal supporters from the pre Wenger era

cheeky little shit

[DB10GOONER]

The only really stupid thing they have done so far was the stewards in manchester. And there is a legality question there tbh. Did the manc (as owners of the stadium) request that Arsenal stewards remove the banners? Because if they didn't, then I don't think the Arsenal stewards had a legal (or moral) right to remove non-offensive banners at another club's stadium.... And I'd imagine the club were advised by the PR cúnts to get manc stewards to remove them next time.

Just a thought but maybe it was to stop the infighting between the gooners
the banners at away games are a big no no for me and like I said to the young fella at city who reminded me that its Arsenal fc and not Arsene fc
if you cared that much then a mass demonstration by all like minded people outside the directors entrance at the bowl would have more impact
and would be more in keeping with Arsenal supporters from the pre Wenger era

cheeky little shit

Get your tin hat on mate!

[Belfast Boy]

Thank you Augie for the welcome and for being gentle with me it's hard to come on here sometimes mainly because the club is stale at the moment and so it is with the debates and being very much in the minority I don't have time to debate with half the board every time I post.

When I say that I'm in the minority that does not mean that I'm pro Wenger I've had many debates with my pro AW bestie, some of them pretty heated purely down to the subject matter, so I do understand why the forum is as it is, but because nearly all the board members have come to absolutely detest AW it stifles any real balanced debate and makes the forum an unpleasant one as peeps come on here mostly to vent and take out their frustrations on other members!

I'm not an AKB but.............."

Zero football posts in a year, contributing nothing to this forum, then come on to defend Wenger and moan that theres no "real balanced debate" and this forum is "unpleasent "?
Behave yourself fs.

As for your point about Henry and his punditry being a conflict of interests. I look at it in the round as Wenger did the same shit with Vieira and mad Jens. Hes also allowed Arteta to go to City. None of those players were working as pundits full time and no conflict of interests.
Wenger is an egotist and controls everything and loves to get all the plaudits. Look how when Keown was coaching defence and getting results he blew him off. And when Bould was having similair success couple of seasons ago Wenger soon put a stop to that.

Wenger does whats good for Wenger not whats good for this club going forward. More and more Wenger apologists are begining to realise it. Not before time imo.

Reckon Wenger could have scored an own goal with his treatment of Henry.
I've been very critical of ex players not calling it how it is about Wenger when doing their punditry, especially Henry. Lets hope Henry is less diplomatic and more honest in his assessments of Wenger next season

Why the eye roll armchair??? and who said anything about AKB, I don't think anyone uses that phrase anymore cos it's indefensible by even the most ardent Wenger supporter, I have had serious misgivings about our leader for years now and they're gettin worse as I said I've had some pretty heated debates with my best mate because he is still defending him at the minute but even he is under no illusions that AW is on the ropes, one debate that kept resurfacing was over the banners displayed last season I was defending them and the right to display them especially after the 4-0 win, my mate was ragin even quoting Wrighty as proof I was wrong!

As for your comment about me contributing nothing to the forum and then coming on to defend Wenger and then moaning about the forum's lack of balanced debate, unpleasant etc. this is exactly what I'm referring to all I did was try to look at the situation from the unbiased position of someone who doesn't refer to AW as a c**t every other word!!!

I don't want to get into a cock fight aware that you have a higher post count............ but I've been on the forum a lot longer than you, even tho my post count is practically zero these days I visit regularly and I've every right to comment as countless other members and ex-members have regarding name calling, lack of debate and the general mood of the place as it relates directly why they don't post anymore so don't fuckin tell me to behave myself, the latest member to have quit the forum altogether was Quartz he never even announced that he was going to leave he just erased his account completely so that you can't even find any of his old posts but the very last words he posted were - "the place has become a hair-splitting, inward looking, pit of negativity"

Regarding the Henry situation, it is a conflict but I also agreed that it could backfire making me think that AW is not lying about his motives as I'm sure he is aware that Henry will now be outside the tent pissin in as I explained in the post just prior to yours, it's also a fact that very few players come back to work under their old boss especially if they want to be a manager in future, as for Arteta, whaddya mean he allowed him to go to City??? he was offered a coaching role at Arsenal but there is huge Spanish influence in the City boardroom which is about to spread into the playing staff with the arrival of PG and his backroom staff, who wouldn't take such an opportunity???

[herbert]

I will take it on the chin for Arsene fc ,sorry Arsenal fc DB

[DB10GOONER]

I will take it on the chin for Arsene fc ,sorry Arsenal fc DB

[arseofacrow]

The only really stupid thing they have done so far was the stewards in manchester. And there is a legality question there tbh. Did the manc (as owners of the stadium) request that Arsenal stewards remove the banners? Because if they didn't, then I don't think the Arsenal stewards had a legal (or moral) right to remove non-offensive banners at another club's stadium.... And I'd imagine the club were advised by the PR cúnts to get manc stewards to remove them next time.

Just a thought but maybe it was to stop the infighting between the gooners
the banners at away games are a big no no for me and like I said to the young fella at city who reminded me that its Arsenal fc and not Arsene fc
if you cared that much then a mass demonstration by all like minded people outside the directors entrance at the bowl would have more impact
and would be more in keeping with Arsenal supporters from the pre Wenger era

cheeky little shit

Get your tin foil hat on mate!

[arseofacrow]

... "the place has become a hair-splitting, inward looking, pit of negativity"

My God. They told me this place existed but I didn't believe them

[armchair]

Oh for the love of fuck. Jesus merciful fucking Christ. EVERYTHING evil in the world is a Wenger-led conspiracy against you, isn't it? You are starting to sound like ItchyfuckingBaba tbh. It's getting tedious, mate. We get it already! You are not overly fond of Wenger.

Banning twatter users for being racist cúnts is a brilliant thing and I'll never disagree with that policy.

Keep yer panties on ffs.
I'll never tire of highlighting Wengers mis-management as long as theres a breath left in me.

Oh and where exactly has an Arsenal twitter user been banned for being racist? Or are you just making shit up?

[augie]

Thank you Augie for the welcome and for being gentle with me it's hard to come on here sometimes mainly because the club is stale at the moment and so it is with the debates and being very much in the minority I don't have time to debate with half the board every time I post.

When I say that I'm in the minority that does not mean that I'm pro Wenger I've had many debates with my pro AW bestie, some of them pretty heated purely down to the subject matter, so I do understand why the forum is as it is, but because nearly all the board members have come to absolutely detest AW it stifles any real balanced debate and makes the forum an unpleasant one as peeps come on here mostly to vent and take out their frustrations on other members!

I'm not an AKB but.............."

Zero football posts in a year, contributing nothing to this forum, then come on to defend Wenger and moan that theres no "real balanced debate" and this forum is "unpleasent "?
Behave yourself fs.

As for your point about Henry and his punditry being a conflict of interests. I look at it in the round as Wenger did the same shit with Vieira and mad Jens. Hes also allowed Arteta to go to City. None of those players were working as pundits full time and no conflict of interests.
Wenger is an egotist and controls everything and loves to get all the plaudits. Look how when Keown was coaching defence and getting results he blew him off. And when Bould was having similair success couple of seasons ago Wenger soon put a stop to that.

Wenger does whats good for Wenger not whats good for this club going forward. More and more Wenger apologists are begining to realise it. Not before time imo.

Reckon Wenger could have scored an own goal with his treatment of Henry.
I've been very critical of ex players not calling it how it is about Wenger when doing their punditry, especially Henry. Lets hope Henry is less diplomatic and more honest in his assessments of Wenger next season

Why the eye roll armchair??? and who said anything about AKB, I don't think anyone uses that phrase anymore cos it's indefensible by even the most ardent Wenger supporter, I have had serious misgivings about our leader for years now and they're gettin worse as I said I've had some pretty heated debates with my best mate because he is still defending him at the minute but even he is under no illusions that AW is on the ropes, one debate that kept resurfacing was over the banners displayed last season I was defending them and the right to display them especially after the 4-0 win, my mate was ragin even quoting Wrighty as proof I was wrong!

As for your comment about me contributing nothing to the forum and then coming on to defend Wenger and then moaning about the forum's lack of balanced debate, unpleasant etc. this is exactly what I'm referring to all I did was try to look at the situation from the unbiased position of someone who doesn't refer to AW as a c**t every other word!!!

I don't want to get into a cock fight aware that you have a higher post count............ but I've been on the forum a lot longer than you, even tho my post count is practically zero these days I visit regularly and I've every right to comment as countless other members and ex-members have regarding name calling, lack of debate and the general mood of the place as it relates directly why they don't post anymore so don't fuckin tell me to behave myself, the latest member to have quit the forum altogether was Quartz he never even announced that he was going to leave he just erased his account completely so that you can't even find any of his old posts but the very last words he posted were - "the place has become a hair-splitting, inward looking, pit of negativity"

Regarding the Henry situation, it is a conflict but I also agreed that it could backfire making me think that AW is not lying about his motives as I'm sure he is aware that Henry will now be outside the tent pissin in as I explained in the post just prior to yours, it's also a fact that very few players come back to work under their old boss especially if they want to be a manager in future, as for Arteta, whaddya mean he allowed him to go to City??? he was offered a coaching role at Arsenal but there is huge Spanish influence in the City boardroom which is about to spread into the playing staff with the arrival of PG and his backroom staff, who wouldn't take such an opportunity???

That's not the BB I remember

[Belfast Boy]

That's not the BB I remember

You're right Augie, I look back to the start of this forum it's like a different world a different time and the esteem that AW was held in so I looked to find when I finally started to seriously doubt whether we would ever win another title under AW and I came across this one I know it's Flash's post from March 2011 but at the time it summed up exactly how I felt

Postby Belfast Boy » Tue Apr 05, 2011 8:11 am

flash gunner wrote:
I am open minded about everything at the club, i have considered the board situation and the opinion ive come up with is largely Wenger is to blame. Arsene Wenger will go down as the greatest manager this club has ever had (and i remember times before him) and its taken a lot for me to come to the conclusion he is well off the mark with his project and collection of weak minded players some of whom arent up to required standard ability either. I think its you who is close minded about any other possibilty

A short few years ago i would have defended Wenger to anyone but with everything considered i have come to the conclusion it has now gone stale at Arsenal, you can be somewhere too long. Wenger is now the 21st century Brian Clough and although we wont be relegated like Forest we wont hit the heights we once did like Forest.

We need a breath of fresh air at the club, the sooner the better

I concur!

I also remember a debate with you on the Arsenal Captaincy Thread in October 2011

Before I say anything else can I just make clear that I'm not an AKB but admittedly maybe a rosetinter I think I know what he's trying achieve, I think we all do maybe I'm just more patient than most altho I'm not usually known for my patience there's no doubt he's made mistakes that have cost us (both as fans and as a club) dearly and some such as Augie, sorry mate, but you are the original have been on his back for years, I posted on a thread ages ago about it being obvious the balance of the team was unsuited to the current nature of the English game either thru lack of an English core identity, quality, character or just plain old physical strength or more likely a combination of all four!

[Belfast Boy]

That's not the BB I remember

You're right Augie, I look back to the start of this forum it's like a different world a different time and the esteem that AW was held in so I looked to find when I finally started to seriously doubt whether we would ever win another title under AW and I came across this one I know it's Flash's post from March 2011 but at the time it summed up exactly how I felt

Postby Belfast Boy » Tue Apr 05, 2011 8:11 am

I am open minded about everything at the club, i have considered the board situation and the opinion ive come up with is largely Wenger is to blame. Arsene Wenger will go down as the greatest manager this club has ever had (and i remember times before him) and its taken a lot for me to come to the conclusion he is well off the mark with his project and collection of weak minded players some of whom arent up to required standard ability either. I think its you who is close minded about any other possibilty

A short few years ago i would have defended Wenger to anyone but with everything considered i have come to the conclusion it has now gone stale at Arsenal, you can be somewhere too long. Wenger is now the 21st century Brian Clough and although we wont be relegated like Forest we wont hit the heights we once did like Forest.

We need a breath of fresh air at the club, the sooner the better

[quote Belfast Boy"]I concur!

I also remember a debate with you on the Arsenal Captaincy Thread in October 2011

Before I say anything else can I just make clear that I'm not an AKB but admittedly maybe a rosetinter I think I know what he's trying achieve, I think we all do maybe I'm just more patient than most altho I'm not usually known for my patience there's no doubt he's made mistakes that have cost us (both as fans and as a club) dearly and some such as Augie, sorry mate, but you are the original have been on his back for years, I posted on a thread ages ago about it being obvious the balance of the team was unsuited to the current nature of the English game either thru lack of an English core identity, quality, character or just plain old physical strength or more likely a combination of all four!

So I'll readily agree that most of my posts have been in defence of AW but the tide started turning for me 5yrs ago but I try to still base my opinions on reason and not let hatred of the man colour everything!

[Belfast Boy]

That's not the BB I remember

You're right Augie, I look back to the start of this forum it's like a different world a different time and the esteem that AW was held in so I looked to find when I finally started to seriously doubt whether we would ever win another title under AW and I came across this one I know it's Flash's post from March 2011 but at the time it summed up exactly how I felt

Postby Belfast Boy » Tue Apr 05, 2011 8:11 am

I am open minded about everything at the club, i have considered the board situation and the opinion ive come up with is largely Wenger is to blame. Arsene Wenger will go down as the greatest manager this club has ever had (and i remember times before him) and its taken a lot for me to come to the conclusion he is well off the mark with his project and collection of weak minded players some of whom arent up to required standard ability either. I think its you who is close minded about any other possibilty

A short few years ago i would have defended Wenger to anyone but with everything considered i have come to the conclusion it has now gone stale at Arsenal, you can be somewhere too long. Wenger is now the 21st century Brian Clough and although we wont be relegated like Forest we wont hit the heights we once did like Forest.

We need a breath of fresh air at the club, the sooner the better

[quote Belfast Boy"]I concur!

I also remember a debate with you on the Arsenal Captaincy Thread in October 2011

Before I say anything else can I just make clear that I'm not an AKB but admittedly maybe a rosetinter I think I know what he's trying achieve, I think we all do maybe I'm just more patient than most altho I'm not usually known for my patience there's no doubt he's made mistakes that have cost us (both as fans and as a club) dearly and some such as Augie, sorry mate, but you are the original have been on his back for years, I posted on a thread ages ago about it being obvious the balance of the team was unsuited to the current nature of the English game either thru lack of an English core identity, quality, character or just plain old physical strength or more likely a combination of all four!

So I'll readily agree that most of my posts have been in defence of AW but the tide started turning for me 5yrs ago but I try to still base my opinions on reason and not let hatred of the man colour everything![/quote]