THE WENGER THREAD

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DB10GOONER wrote:
OneBardGooner wrote:" Worst that's happened to me is I got verbally abused by a 9 or 10yr old swigging from a can of special brew outside Cardiffs old ground... he took offence to me taking a pic of him :lol: "

FFS! I've just tried to wade through 3 pages of dire shyte - You said that and he said this and :blah: :blah: :blah:

And THIS was the Only comment woth noting....

The reason he took offence G88ner was because he should have been drinking Red Stripe or Barley Wine...you know what these estate 9yr old kids are like these days - They gotta maintain their 'Cred'.

Someone used the term 'Summation':

Have to say even if someone joined the forum yesterday they are entitled to voice their opinion/s as long as it isn't name calling etc...which we have done occasionally when we are so 'angry and frustrated' with what is happening to our beloved Club....which brings me to what G88ner alluded to:

It is Wenger that IS the problem - He has caused Gooners to physically attack one another at games - for Gooners on here to often fall-out with one another...

I have come to the conclusion that regardless of what any pundits, journalists, even analysists may say about The Arsenal and Wenger - It is worth remembering that he (Wenger) actually believes what he is doing is right - and that because he is in a position of (seemingly) unasailable power at the moment no-one - Particularly those that matter (Us/Gooners) can do very little about him and the what he is doing/not doing.

We have called him everything from his hole to his pole - But all the evidence points firmly to the fact that he truly has become something of a (small - time) despot and is using every means at his disposal to Dictate everything that happens within the club - Including what happens in the board room, in the dressing room, on the pitch and on the Terraces (sic)/ Stands.

The club we all once knew - AFC - a by word for a club with Class and with genuine Family Values is Gone :cry: - and it is not coming back - Not even when Wenger eventually fucksoff - So as much as we may do 'in-fighting' on here - and yes we all do it - Let us remember "Wenger Out" and the sooner that happens - we can at least (hopefully) begin to feel less frustrated and angry.

We need to use that pent-up anger and frustration and whatever energy and re-sources we can muster and any means available to each of us within our individual situation and circumstance to 'Get Him Out' - That means acting, speaking with One Intent and One Voice. So write to the club and call for him to leave - Do it on a daily basis...that's what I do and up till now - I have written 280 letters calling/asking that he leave....it may sound like a waste of time/money(stamps) energy, but maybe just maybe when it gets to the pint when the club received 5oo letters of a similar nature every day - Someone somewhere within the club might just notice - maybe they will 'leak it to the press' and cause the club and wenger further embarrassment - maybe I'm a dreamer - But hey! It's the best I can do at the moment....

Also it would save a whole lot of drivel & shyte on here spoiling what is fundamentally Our (Arsenal) home away from home till Wenger is gone.

Keep The Pizza Peeps! :?

Can I just say;

LAY OFF THE FUCKING BRACKETS (parentheses) !!! WE KNOW (understand) WHAT YOU (OneBard) ARE SAYING (communicating)!! :banghead:

:lol: :wink: :wink:
Are YOU (DB10) Sure, You may Get (What it is I am) - trying to (Express) But there are SOME (on this forum) who don't (Have a fecking clue) that is they don't get "It".

:mrgreen:

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armchair wrote: Ok mate. You're probably right. Maybe I was a bit abrupt. In my defence I find reformed AKB's worse than reformed smokers.
The Arsenal has given me some of the best days of my life. But also.....
Ive been spat on, slapped abused and almost arrested because of the Arsenal. Sometime I get a little impatient with those who were part of the problem only now seeing the light.

And BB welcome back. :D
:oops:

More sanctimonious rhetoric, I think you find the majority of this board especially the ones from the noughties are ex AKB's, rosetinters etc. with the Invincibles, CL Final and a brand new stadium fresh in the mind all slowly converted as their frustration grew some quicker than others which is normal particularly on a debating forum as peeps were defending AW and their own position into the bargain as they had previously backed him to the hilt (see me :lol: ) then you have the audacity to come on here pontificating that you find reformed AKBs worse than reformed smokers, whatever that means :? when you joined the forum AFTER I had already started calling for a change :oops: :oops: :oops:

One more thing I did not post just to complain about the forum as my first post was the following and my old nemesis was the first to comment
augie wrote:
Belfast Boy wrote:Gonna put my head above the parapet here just to ask am I the only one who doesn't understand why AW for all his many faults is currently accused of being a hypocrite concerning Henry's full time punditry position with Sky compared with AW's occasional (in this case during off season) punditry, especially as, unless I'm mistaken, his point is it's a conflict to work with players during the week and then criticise them at the wknd no matter how valid the criticism is???
Good to see you posting again BB - I think that we see haleys comet more than we see you (our absent mod :wink: ) :lol:

................... I was simply replying to his humorous tagline, explaining why!!!


apart from that - it's good to be back thanks :wink:


I suppose now would be a good time to explain my position on AW especially within this forum, I don't believe he is despotic, certainly not when you compare to the likes of AF and Maureen, I don't believe he does only what's best for him altho that view would change if I find that he refused to give way to Guardiola if he was willing or waiting contact from us, as a matter of fact I would be fuckin pissed :banghead: but I also think there is an extremely caring almost paternal side to him, I therefore don't think he's a c**t............ however

I do think that this lies at the root of our problems in that the players he has assembled have nothing to fear if they don't perform and it's human nature not to break sweat unless pushed, which was alright when you had die hard players at the club who would give you a kick up the arse when required as AW only seems to lose his rag after a complete meltdown, we all love to hate the scumbag that is John Terry but look what he brings to the Chelsea dressing room!

We've too few if any leaders, I don't see the same passion, aggression and sheer presence that undoubtedly won us games sometimes even before we set foot on the pitch with players admitting that Arsenal beat them in the tunnel, look at the drastic downturn in ManUre's fortunes cos teams who used to go there simply not to get a trimmin are now goin for the 3 points - simply put we need a couple of warhorses in the middle of the park as the balance of the squad is off, only time will tell if Xhaka can........................... I'll get me coat :oops:

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"only time will tell if Xhaka can........................... I'll get me coat :oops:" -BB

I'm guessing you're not renowned for your stand up routines BB :wink:

The points you make about AW are worth considering, and you may be right he might not be as despotic as some say but I personally believe he is someone who likes to surround himself with yes men and sycophants to ensure he is unchallenged in his position, too many times have players been frozen out or let go who seemed to challenge his way of doing things but that may just me being blinkered :rubchin:

I also agree about the lack of leaders point but again i think that comes down to AW avoiding signing players who may challenge his way, if it is not a conscious act on his part it definitely seems so to me.

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No manager should stand for dissent, would you Muzz??? if a player kicks off he should and could easily be kicked out especially by someone as powerful as AW is at AFC but I will agree that maybe he wouldn't want someone having too much influence over the dressing room as a
charismatic figure could organise a mutiny and that would possibly be a different story,

but to offer some perspective on AW's perceived autocracy Graham Souness casually announced on MNF that he would never go back into management much to the astonishment of Richard Keys, who sat and listened as Souness went off on one about bein backchatted by young millionaire players who hadn't even been born at the end of his playing career let alone the start of it, and don't even get me started on Ferguson who was the biggest tyrant in the history of world football :lol:
it's the same old story whether you're a manager or a striker practically nothing is taboo if yer doin the business and unfortunately this is where AW problems start!

Nobody in the football world can understand why he moved away from signing players like Vieira, Petit, Campbell to signing relative physical and mental pygmies particularly when he arrived at the club he had to go against the entire culture of the club and persuade some very big characters who were entrenched in their ways, the Tuesday club, pie and mash, lie ins and even Mars Bars on a match day not only to train differently but to change their entire lifestyle.................. does my fuckin head in is what it does :banghead:

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Management should always be open to challenge but i do know it is not always the case, otherwise when problems arise how can staff improve their ways of doing things, this may not be popular with the management but a good manager will always listen, assess and act if necessary on what they are being told. This i believe is Arsene's main problem he seems unable to accept that he may not always be right.

The tyrannical manager analogy doesn't really work with Wenger though, he is not on the same level as SAF who was continually successful throughout the majority of his time with Manure barring the first 3 years and therefore got away with it.

Wenger is not on that level, 2 FA Cups and 12 unsuccessful league campaigns along with the continual poor performances beyond the group stage of the CL, his perceived inability to change by many people and his continuance with unsuccessful players point to weak management.

When a football manager is weak he has to be challenged either by his staff, his board or if necessary by his players. Again this is just my personal opinion but i feel Wenger has either deliberately or unconsciously surrounded himself by weak individuals so he will not be challenged.

His reaction when challenged by the media, think Jacqui Oatley as an example and his petulant responses to difficult questions show he is not used to it anymore and that is the most damning thing for me. When did this happen and how was it allowed and more importantly how did someone who was once perceived as such an innovator and even a genius by some not recognise this in himself :rubchin:

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He cant even help himself. He has a tendency to self-sabotage because he doesnt want to change or accept new ways. The decision to move on Campbell yet keep Theo is abhorrent. Campbell puts in a shift, links up well with the likes of Ozil, Cazorla and Sanchez. Campbell is one of the most reliable players in the squad. Theo on the other hand represents years of malaise, disappointment and unfulfilled potential.

Its beyond impossible to support a manager who cant even help himself. There is no rational reason for getting rid of Campbell other than to protect Wenger's pets like Theo and Giroud. He has no desire to reinvent the sqaud or improve upon it. It all comes back to he signed Walcott and Giroud in the first place, and thus they couldnt possibly be anything other than brilliant, because in Wengers mind, he has foresight beyond everyone else, and we mere mortals cannot see the inner quality of Walcott and Giroud.

He doesnt think like a rational person. He sees what he wants to believe. And he believes in himself so much that he is convinced of his own brilliance. He finds it unfathomable that he could ever be wrong.

As I keep saying, he suffers from delusions of grandeur. They way he sees himself, and some of our players, bear no resemblance in actual reality. Wenger isnt a rational person. He is irrational, delusional, and when anyone makes comments that threaten to burst his imaginary bubble, he snaps hard. Such as when he went after Henry when Henry said he 'had never seen the fans so angry'. Hearing from someone like Henry, that the fans are unhappy, threatens the illusion Wenger has built for himself, as in Wenger's world, the fans are deliriously happy with him as manager.

Thats why any player, or anyone else at the club who starts to make noise or question Wengers ways, are swiftly moved on.

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Wenger already facing a striker crisis ahead of new season

Can anyone please explain why this man is still in a job earning £8 million a year?

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We have a shyte Owner, a shyte Manager, who employs too many shyte players, he buys their loyalty with long term high waged contracts - and when it becomes all too bleedin' obvious that they are "SHYTE" - he is unable to move them on - becaus eof thier high wages, long contracts and Utter Shyteness.

Incompetence doesn't even begin to describe the overpaid, arrogant, despotic cuntt. :evil:

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He's said that Giroud and Kos need a break, so won't be considered for the Victims game.

So Theo up front and Gabriel at the back.

And so it begins.

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Wilson wrote:He cant even help himself. He has a tendency to self-sabotage because he doesnt want to change or accept new ways. The decision to move on Campbell yet keep Theo is abhorrent. Campbell puts in a shift, links up well with the likes of Ozil, Cazorla and Sanchez. Campbell is one of the most reliable players in the squad. Theo on the other hand represents years of malaise, disappointment and unfulfilled potential.

Its beyond impossible to support a manager who cant even help himself. There is no rational reason for getting rid of Campbell other than to protect Wenger's pets like Theo and Giroud. He has no desire to reinvent the sqaud or improve upon it. It all comes back to he signed Walcott and Giroud in the first place, and thus they couldnt possibly be anything other than brilliant, because in Wengers mind, he has foresight beyond everyone else, and we mere mortals cannot see the inner quality of Walcott and Giroud.

He doesnt think like a rational person. He sees what he wants to believe. And he believes in himself so much that he is convinced of his own brilliance. He finds it unfathomable that he could ever be wrong.

As I keep saying, he suffers from delusions of grandeur. They way he sees himself, and some of our players, bear no resemblance in actual reality. Wenger isnt a rational person. He is irrational, delusional, and when anyone makes comments that threaten to burst his imaginary bubble, he snaps hard. Such as when he went after Henry when Henry said he 'had never seen the fans so angry'. Hearing from someone like Henry, that the fans are unhappy, threatens the illusion Wenger has built for himself, as in Wenger's world, the fans are deliriously happy with him as manager.

Thats why any player, or anyone else at the club who starts to make noise or question Wengers ways, are swiftly moved on.
Well said Wilson as usual. History is full of similar examples of human behavior when you get too much power.

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Very interesting that Arsenal FC are the biggest movers in the Worlds richest sport teams. We are up to 22nd I believe worth something like 1.4 Billion. With that type of financial growth Kronke does not have a care in the world regarding the teams performance.
Could also mean Wenger gets a new 2 year deal regardless and we don't sign a Forward.

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GranadaJoe wrote:He's said that Giroud and Kos need a break, so won't be considered for the Victims game.

So Theo up front and Gabriel at the back.

And so it begins.
Think you should have said "and so it CONTINUES"

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Arsenal Supporters Club were all over Twitter last night about loyalty to the club etc..many of the replies were on the same lines..I asked if after 40plus years support if that I have no faith in AW does it disqualify me as a fan...They replied "absolutely, you are either an Arsenal fan or you are not..you know what is coming" I have gone back to them for clarification of that answer. I am more than willing to give them the benefit of the doubt as in I misread it or they mis-wrote it.
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The thing with Fergie was that he regularly changed head coach - McLaren, Carlos Quirez, Brian Kidd, all provided different input.

Imagine listening to the exact same Shi t every day for 10 years - you will not learn,or grow as a player because it is all too comfy ( Theo being a prime example)

Boro Pimorac 20 years doing what exactly ?
Is Gerry Peyton the best goalkeeping coach attainable ?

The rot is set in very deep :cry: :evil:

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Ed Hunter The Gooner wrote:
Wilson wrote:He cant even help himself. He has a tendency to self-sabotage because he doesnt want to change or accept new ways. The decision to move on Campbell yet keep Theo is abhorrent. Campbell puts in a shift, links up well with the likes of Ozil, Cazorla and Sanchez. Campbell is one of the most reliable players in the squad. Theo on the other hand represents years of malaise, disappointment and unfulfilled potential.

Its beyond impossible to support a manager who cant even help himself. There is no rational reason for getting rid of Campbell other than to protect Wenger's pets like Theo and Giroud. He has no desire to reinvent the sqaud or improve upon it. It all comes back to he signed Walcott and Giroud in the first place, and thus they couldnt possibly be anything other than brilliant, because in Wengers mind, he has foresight beyond everyone else, and we mere mortals cannot see the inner quality of Walcott and Giroud.

He doesnt think like a rational person. He sees what he wants to believe. And he believes in himself so much that he is convinced of his own brilliance. He finds it unfathomable that he could ever be wrong.

As I keep saying, he suffers from delusions of grandeur. They way he sees himself, and some of our players, bear no resemblance in actual reality. Wenger isnt a rational person. He is irrational, delusional, and when anyone makes comments that threaten to burst his imaginary bubble, he snaps hard. Such as when he went after Henry when Henry said he 'had never seen the fans so angry'. Hearing from someone like Henry, that the fans are unhappy, threatens the illusion Wenger has built for himself, as in Wenger's world, the fans are deliriously happy with him as manager.

Thats why any player, or anyone else at the club who starts to make noise or question Wengers ways, are swiftly moved on.
Well said Wilson as usual. History is full of similar examples of human behavior when you get too much power.

Yes all true as we know...But its all been said at least 100 times before, there is nothing new here....we know what he is

Just need Wenger, Kronke and Gazidis OUT

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