BOLTON GAME THREAD

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Captain Fabregas wrote:
brazilianGOONER wrote:
djhdjh wrote:If we are going to play 4-3-3 it makes no sense at all to count someone like Eduardo as a central striker.
i'm unsure about that, mate. i know eduardo from before he joined arsenal, and even though he is short, i think he can work as central striker in a 4-3-3, though not with his current lack of confidence.

in a more traditional team, you expect the centerforward to be the huge guy who can chest the ball, hold it on his feet and when the other players arrive he then passes the ball. i think it is not our case. we're a very pacey team who pass the ball with one or two touches and get from our pitch to the opposition's goal in seconds. so what I expect from our centreforward to do is exactly what eduardo did in our first goal yesterday - very quick thinking and precise passing, both subjects in which he excels.

other than that, he has one of the best positioning i ever saw from a striker - just like romario - and that's why he poaches so many goals - he is always at the right place, and has a very good finish, which hopefully will be back in a few matches.

i like eduardo as a centreforward and i think he'll prove me right in the next couple of matches. at least i hope so :?
eduardo has no pace anymore though it makes me sad :( example is that through ball cesc played to him, even i would of been able to keep up with that :shock:
I couldn't help but think that too. :cry:

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He did technically set up the two goals though, and I think he's looking stronger and stronger every game. I'ld like Eduardo to stay central and hang about the box, he's never been the fastest but he was always clinical, and hopefully with a few more games, he can get back into the groove

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rigsby wrote:He did technically set up the two goals though, and I think he's looking stronger and stronger every game. I'ld like Eduardo to stay central and hang about the box, he's never been the fastest but he was always clinical, and hopefully with a few more games, he can get back into the groove
I'm happy for him to simply get to the Grove! :wink:

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stg wrote:Going back to the injurys...how many players do we need in our squad then?

We have 4 GK's
10 Defenders(9 when PS leaves)
11 Midfielders
5 strikers

Alot of those players a versitile and can play in 2 or even 3 positions if really needed so that is nearly 3 full teams we could put out if we had no injurys.


You are having a laugh right ?? :shock: :shock: :shock:

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augie wrote:
stg wrote:Going back to the injurys...how many players do we need in our squad then?

We have 4 GK's
10 Defenders(9 when PS leaves)
11 Midfielders
5 strikers

Alot of those players a versitile and can play in 2 or even 3 positions if really needed so that is nearly 3 full teams we could put out if we had no injurys.


You are having a laugh right ?? :shock: :shock: :shock:
So..

Almunia
Fabianski
Mannone
Schzesney (However you spell it..)

They are not goalkeepers? and thats not 4?

Maybe there all strikers and you know something we dont?

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augie wrote:
stg wrote:Going back to the injurys...how many players do we need in our squad then?

We have 4 GK's
10 Defenders(9 when PS leaves)
11 Midfielders
5 strikers

Alot of those players a versitile and can play in 2 or even 3 positions if really needed so that is nearly 3 full teams we could put out if we had no injurys.


You are having a laugh right ?? :shock: :shock: :shock:
Stg one of those is on loan.
One's a 21 Italian and rarely played.
The other a pole who's been decent in the Cups but has been know to suffer from a 'flappy-handsky at times! :wink:
The last is our no1 Spainish or English blond clown and our non-verbal vice Captain of the Arsenal Football club.
:barscarf:

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augie wrote:
stg wrote:Going back to the injurys...how many players do we need in our squad then?

We have 4 GK's
10 Defenders(9 when PS leaves)
11 Midfielders
5 strikers

Alot of those players a versitile and can play in 2 or even 3 positions if really needed so that is nearly 3 full teams we could put out if we had no injurys.


You are having a laugh right ?? :shock: :shock: :shock:
Errr NO

So..

Almunia
Fabianski
Mannone
Schzesney (However you spell it..)

They are not goalkeepers? and thats not 4?

Maybe there all strikers and you know something we dont?
So what are they then if they are not GK's? Almunia 1, Fabianski 2, Mannone 3 and Szczesny that makes 4 GK on our books for the first team.
Stg one of those is on loan.
One's a 21 Italian and rarely played.
The other a pole who's been decent in the Cups but has been know to suffer from a 'flappy-handsky at times!
The last is our no1 Spainish or English blond clown and our non-verbal vice Captain of the Arsenal Football club.
One's 21 and looks a promising GK whoneeds more games
The others a Pole who has had a decent run in cup games and can/will get better
Ones on loan and getting great reviews
The last is our number 1 who at the moment is struggling with confidence

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stg wrote:
augie wrote:
stg wrote:Going back to the injurys...how many players do we need in our squad then?

We have 4 GK's
10 Defenders(9 when PS leaves)
11 Midfielders
5 strikers

Alot of those players a versitile and can play in 2 or even 3 positions if really needed so that is nearly 3 full teams we could put out if we had no injurys.


You are having a laugh right ?? :shock: :shock: :shock:
Errr NO

So..

Almunia
Fabianski
Mannone
Schzesney (However you spell it..)

They are not goalkeepers? and thats not 4?

Maybe there all strikers and you know something we dont?
So what are they then if they are not GK's? Almunia 1, Fabianski 2, Mannone 3 and Szczesny that makes 4 GK on our books for the first team.
Stg one of those is on loan.
One's a 21 Italian and rarely played.
The other a pole who's been decent in the Cups but has been know to suffer from a 'flappy-handsky at times!
The last is our no1 Spainish or English blond clown and our non-verbal vice Captain of the Arsenal Football club.
One's 21 and looks a promising GK whoneeds more games
The others a Pole who has had a decent run in cup games and can/will get better
Ones on loan and getting great reviews
The last is our number 1 who at the moment is struggling with confidence
and ability mate

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AFCWozza wrote:
augie wrote:
stg wrote:Going back to the injurys...how many players do we need in our squad then?

We have 4 GK's
10 Defenders(9 when PS leaves)
11 Midfielders
5 strikers

Alot of those players a versitile and can play in 2 or even 3 positions if really needed so that is nearly 3 full teams we could put out if we had no injurys.


You are having a laugh right ?? :shock: :shock: :shock:
So..

Almunia
Fabianski
Mannone
Schzesney (However you spell it..)

They are not goalkeepers? and thats not 4?

Maybe there all strikers and you know something we dont?[/
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Not being funny but why dont you include the youth keepers in there as well cos they would be as good as the clown we have in goals at the mo :roll: Anyway you knew what I meant without trying to be a smartarse cos as things stand the vast vast majority of Gooners will tell you that we aint got even 1 keeper good enough to be our number 1 :roll: :oops: Or maybe almunia is just pretending to be a useless *word censored* in goals and you know about while the rest of us dont

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Where am I try to be a smartarse? I pointed out that we have 30 players in our squad. That includes 4 goalkeepers I didnt say they were good GK or not I was pointing out that if you look at our squad of players we have enough players at the start of the season/transfer window that Wenger probably does not need to look for players in the transfer window.

Now he might go out and buy somebody to play as striker because of the many injurys we have had this season to RVP, Bendtner, Walcott and the continuing return to form of Eduardo.

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And why would I put in the youth team GK's as they are not a part of the first team squad?

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stg wrote:And why would I put in the youth team GK's as they are not a part of the first team squad?

Stg you stated that we had 4 keepers and I asked were you having a laugh but it was wozza who responded next trying to be the smartarse so I wasnt referring to you at all with that last post. Anyway this debate, in my opinion at least, comes down to the quality of the squad and while I agree you can indeed list off the number of players we have in each area but it totally fails to address the lack of quality in far too many of those players and imo there is no point classing them as part of this squad if they are not good enough

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To answer the earlier points about Eduardo, the goal poacher (not sure about the goal poucher :D ) is dead at the top level IMO. Certainly you cannot play one of them as a lone striker, hence why Eduardo isn't a centre forward in that system. What we're doing at the moment is almost playing 4-6-0 and not having a central striker, instead relying on all the forwards to come from deep, which proves the point.

And it's about time we got over blaming Eduardo's ills on the injury. It's been a year. Yes it takes time to get over it and in terms of pace it looks like he never will but ultimately we can't keep waiting forever.

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rigsby wrote:He did technically set up the two goals though, and I think he's looking stronger and stronger every game. I'ld like Eduardo to stay central and hang about the box, he's never been the fastest but he was always clinical, and hopefully with a few more games, he can get back into the groove
I hope he becomes the player he was 2 or so years ago, right before his injury, he was brilliant.

I think the problem for him is the 4-3-3 / 4-1-4-1 formation we play compared to a 4-4-2, needs time to get used to it more than RVP did. The post-injury recovery period is still a factor but he is improving.

Would love it if he did a Freddie run at end of season to win us the title 8) :barscarf: names sound similar :wink:

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djhdjh wrote:To answer the earlier points about Eduardo, the goal poacher (not sure about the goal poucher :D ) is dead at the top level IMO. Certainly you cannot play one of them as a lone striker, hence why Eduardo isn't a centre forward in that system. What we're doing at the moment is almost playing 4-6-0 and not having a central striker, instead relying on all the forwards to come from deep, which proves the point.

And it's about time we got over blaming Eduardo's ills on the injury. It's been a year. Yes it takes time to get over it and in terms of pace it looks like he never will but ultimately we can't keep waiting forever.
Is this the same Eduardo that was involved in our 3 main chances in the game, is this the same Eduardo who assisted both our goals, is this the same Eduardo who spent the whole game alone up front trying to fight against Gary Cahill and Zak Knight two of the tallest center backs in the league.

He is a very very clever footballer, this quick movement and sharp mind creates alot of space and chances for us, the first goal, always alive always alert, Cesc wins it, Eduardo is showing, plays an inch perfect 1-2 with Cesc.. GOAL.

After a fantastic first half move Arshavin found himself out wide, cut the ball back, Eduardo who is marked and is tracked made the run and have the vision and the brain to dummy the ball and cesc unfortunatly missed a sitter.

The 2nd goal, Cesc running through the middle, just drifts off his defender and makes it look easy, creates the space and dinks a delicious ball to the back post. 2 assists.

I seriously dont understand what people want Eduardo to be doing to satisfy them, he's a unique player and maybe people are too used to seeing the explosive pace of Henry, The x factor of Van Persie, or even the pure brute strength of Adebayor. Your just going to have to accept Eduardo is a different type of player who plays the game a different way, if you analyse his overall contribution and actually admire what he brings to the side you will begin to understand why he will be a gooner for many years to come

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