Get your coat arsene you useless twat!

[augie]

Al, my feelings for what they are worth pretty much echo those of Irish Gooner in that I have no problem debating with the "rose tinters" as long as it is no debating for debating sake. I would suggest that the vast vast majority on here believe wenger fcuked up in a real way by not getting a better quality keeper this summer and the majority acknowledge that but some choose to take the position that cos wenger didnt think so then we are ok in that dept so everything is ok and clearly evidence to date would say otherwise I can understand people starting a thread saying that as things are the way they are then we should just put this issue to bed and back almunia even though at the moment my feelings are so raw there is no way I can do that

In a nutshell it is the view of many on here (inc myself) that there are a number of members who will not under any circumstances accept criticism of wenger or the club and they are usually the one's that start this "fcuk off and support whoever" while the realists generally respond by saying that if these people want a forum that does nothing only wax lyrical about the club and wenger then the official club site is where they should be - neither comments are right but I am a member here cos I enjoy the mix between the two sides and if people want anything different then they def are on the wrong site.

Can I also say that I agree with Irish Gooner when he refer's to the increase in wum merchants on here lately and how totally unacceptable it is - I would suggest a few names not listed by Irish Gooner (but wouldnt want to give them any attention) and all these people do is raise the anger level of certain members who then in turn take out their frustrations on the more genuine positive members who only wish to debate the issue's in a proper manner

[highburyJD]

we can also mostly agree taht some players, Song in particular, have changed our mind after sustained faith form Wenger
lets hope some more (esp keepers) can this season

[merson_is_god]

we can also mostly agree taht some players, Song in particular, have changed our mind after sustained faith form Wenger
lets hope some more (esp keepers) can this season

Bet it doesnt and we sign a GK in January?!

[marcengels]

we can also mostly agree taht some players, Song in particular, have changed our mind after sustained faith form Wenger
lets hope some more (esp keepers) can this season

For every Song there are three of four others.

Almunia has been with us for how long and is how old? Technically, it's unlikely he's getting any better.

[augie]

we can also mostly agree taht some players, Song in particular, have changed our mind after sustained faith form Wenger
lets hope some more (esp keepers) can this season

I agree that song has improved but I still think that we could and should do better - his discipline positioning and his strength in the tackle def needs improvement and it worries me shitless when he goes mia on the occasions that the opposition counter attack us

[Louder]

It's fair to say steveO, that most of my posts are reactive, but I'm sure not all are half witted. I tend to react badly to posts that are completely negative and usually abusive towards certain parties. I'm not overly proud of this but once the red mist comes down it's like keyboard torrettes. So to suggest certain people 'raise anger levels' on here and others don't is, as usual, a very one sided way of looking at things.

The 'Garden is Rosey' issue - I think I have a pretty level headed view of the way things are going at Arsenal, things could be better, things could be worse, a lot worse. My glass is certainly half full. I see things in the team that I think need attention but I've learned that maybe I don't know all I think I know. For example, Song 2 years ago, I didn't think he was up to it, NOW i think he is a fine player and love what he brings to the team. Walcott, I think he's going to be great for us, but nearly got drawn into writing him off last season ( for various reasons, one being the relentless criticism from the press ), ignoring the fact that he had a lot of injuries and is very young. Eboue ? obvious ! TV? I'd barely heard of him!. Sagna? I'd barely heard of him!. Clichy has developed well. Diaby IMO is improving. Wilshere, Eastmond, Frimpong, Gibbs all good prospects and there will be more ! All positives

My views may wind certain people up, but I'm no WUM

[DB10GOONER]

Many issues on this thread.

Firstly, "Superfan" is only aimed at the arseholes that think attending away games somehow qualifies them as better or more loyal or more informed supporters. It doesn't.

Second, the whole "Rosetinter" v "Realist" thing is mostly light hearted on here. But when the insults and "fuck off to chel$ki" jibes start flying it is the so called "Rosetinters" that are doing it 9 times out of 10. Thus the response from the so called "Realists" of "maybe you would be better off on a forum where others blindly agree with you if you cannot argue your point without questioning someone's loyalty/resorting to insults etc".

There are a few extremists in both camps on here that spout total one sided unbalanced shite. But for the most part people on here can and will debate their point.

What is stupid is people coming on here and saying things like "Everyone just moans, no one is loyal blah blah blah". Sorry, but that is just generalisation bollocks. Most people on here are actually in the middle somewhere, they love what Wenger has achieved in the past, but are now worried that Wenger is failing to strengthen the side year after year. And their position can change from game to game within that "middle" ground. But one thing that is true is that the vast majority on here live and breath Arsenal.

At the end of the day, no one has to come on here. If you really don't like it, why bother? Life is too short. Just like brazillianGOONER.

[marcengels]

It's fair to say steveO, that most of my posts are reactive, but I'm sure not all are half witted. I tend to react badly to posts that are completely negative and usually abusive towards certain parties. I'm not overly proud of this but once the red mist comes down it's like keyboard torrettes. So to suggest certain people 'raise anger levels' on here and others don't is, as usual, a very one sided way of looking at things.

The 'Garden is Rosey' issue - I think I have a pretty level headed view of the way things are going at Arsenal, things could be better, things could be worse, a lot worse. My glass is certainly half full. I see things in the team that I think need attention but I've learned that maybe I don't know all I think I know. For example, Song 2 years ago, I didn't think he was up to it, NOW i think he is a fine player and love what he brings to the team. Walcott, I think he's going to be great for us, but nearly got drawn into writing him off last season ( for various reasons, one being the relentless criticism from the press ), ignoring the fact that he had a lot of injuries and is very young. Eboue ? obvious ! TV? I'd barely heard of him!. Sagna? I'd barely heard of him!. Clichy has developed well. Diaby IMO is improving. Wilshere, Eastmond, Frimpong, Gibbs all good prospects and there will be more ! All positives

My views may wind certain people up, but I'm no WUM

Good post mate...and certainly more positive in terms that it tends to explain and inform, rather than react to others. I don't agree with all of it but it is more enjoyable to read.

Now...Fuck Off (to spurs)!

[AA23Northbank]

Al, my feelings for what they are worth pretty much echo those of Irish Gooner in that I have no problem debating with the "rose tinters" as long as it is no debating for debating sake. I would suggest that the vast vast majority on here believe wenger fcuked up in a real way by not getting a better quality keeper this summer and the majority acknowledge that but some choose to take the position that cos wenger didnt think so then we are ok in that dept so everything is ok and clearly evidence to date would say otherwise I can understand people starting a thread saying that as things are the way they are then we should just put this issue to bed and back almunia even though at the moment my feelings are so raw there is no way I can do that

In a nutshell it is the view of many on here (inc myself) that there are a number of members who will not under any circumstances accept criticism of wenger or the club and they are usually the one's that start this "fcuk off and support whoever" while the realists generally respond by saying that if these people want a forum that does nothing only wax lyrical about the club and wenger then the official club site is where they should be - neither comments are right but I am a member here cos I enjoy the mix between the two sides and if people want anything different then they def are on the wrong site.

Can I also say that I agree with Irish Gooner when he refer's to the increase in wum merchants on here lately and how totally unacceptable it is - I would suggest a few names not listed by Irish Gooner (but wouldnt want to give them any attention) and all these people do is raise the anger level of certain members who then in turn take out their frustrations on the more genuine positive members who only wish to debate the issue's in a proper manner

I admit to being guilty of some of the name-calling and winding up, but that's because I've been annoyed at some of the hysteria surrounding the lack of a new goalkeeper. What I've been genuinely annoyed about is some ppl showing a complete lack of respect to our manager (someone saying 'Wenger doesn't sign anyone older because likes the kids' - p'phile chants anyone?), you can disagree with him and I respect people holding the view why maybe Wenger has lost his way, but I still think he's the best man for the job and some players which he has put faith in have shown improvement (Song, Diaby), and yes Augie you'll probably disagree with the second one but imo Diaby's only problem is inconsistency. He's starting to use his strength better and has improved a lot of other aspects of his game, imo he just needs to be consistent. He was in good form from January to March last season, let's hope he gets it back.

With the goalkeeping situation, I wanted a new keeper in but it didn't happen which is a shame. Given's shoulder is screwed, Hughes was being a dick over Schwarzer so we're stuck with Almunia. He was better at the weekend but he has a long way to go to win back the fans, and I think we need to get behind him and see how he does until January. But the important thing to remember is that we're only 3 games in. A draw at Anfield is not a disaster, and considering Blackburn's home form last season a win up there is a very good result and the performance was really good as well. Let's see how the season goes and if Almunia doesn't have a good season I'll concede that Wenger is at fault for not bringing in a new keeper. But we've only played 3 games so let's see how the season goes

[augie]

Maybe I am naive, or maybe I want to be naive in this situation, but I felt that the "wenger likes kids" was meant as an assesment of the type of players he likes to sign as opposed to any peado type jibe and as much as I am totally in favour of wenger's removal as manager I still couldnt agree with that comment if it was meant in a character assasination type of way.

I'd also like to say that consistancy isnt the only thing diaby is missing......some bit of brains wouldnt go amiss either

[LDB]

Second, the whole "Rosetinter" v "Realist" thing is mostly light hearted on here. But when the insults and "fuck off to chel$ki" jibes start flying it is the so called "Rosetinters" that are doing it 9 times out of 10. Thus the response from the so called "Realists" of "maybe you would be better off on a forum where others blindly agree with you if you cannot argue your point without questioning someone's loyalty/resorting to insults etc".

Yeah but is that really any worse then when the "realists" around here accuse anyone who isnt in their clique ( ) of being Wengerites and having no concept of the club pre-1996? That seems a very "superfan" thing to do.

[DB10GOONER]

Second, the whole "Rosetinter" v "Realist" thing is mostly light hearted on here. But when the insults and "fuck off to chel$ki" jibes start flying it is the so called "Rosetinters" that are doing it 9 times out of 10. Thus the response from the so called "Realists" of "maybe you would be better off on a forum where others blindly agree with you if you cannot argue your point without questioning someone's loyalty/resorting to insults etc".

Yeah but is that really any worse then when the "realists" around here accuse anyone who isnt in their clique ( ) of being Wengerites and having no concept of the club pre-1996? That seems a very "superfan" thing to do.

Agree totally, but I think it is a minority of the so called "Realists" that do that. Or possibly it is a frustrated jibe at the Arsene-alisation of our club and the perception that some of the so called "Rosetinters" seem to have this belief that Arsene is Arsenal and that without him we wouldn't exist. I don't think it is thrown at anyone that argues their point rationally though. Well mostly not - I suppose there will always be one or two knobends on both sides of the fence!

[Charlie! Charlie!]

I'm not sitting on the fence - but I agreee with both.

[DB10GOONER]

I'm not sitting on the fence - but I agreee with both.

Percy always said you were a bit of a knob! Or was that you bit off his knob...?

[mikeyb772001]

Maybe I am naive, or maybe I want to be naive in this situation, but I felt that the "wenger likes kids" was meant as an assesment of the type of players he likes to sign as opposed to any peado type jibe and as much as I am totally in favour of wenger's removal as manager I still couldnt agree with that comment if it was meant in a character assasination type of way.

I'd also like to say that consistancy isnt the only thing diaby is missing......some bit of brains wouldnt go amiss either

Yes it was I who made the comment about Wenger liking kids. And indeed he does. And it was a joke aimed at the fact that all Wenger likes to do now is find kids and put them under his wing.
Some people are too quick to jump to conclusions. We even sing a chant about Wenger seeing Eboue and wanting to adopt him. I even made a joke about Wenger buying neverland so he and Denilson can retire and live life happy and care free. This doesn’t mean I think he is a fucking Peado.
I wish all the conflict on the site would just disappear but in fairness it’s always the reactive rose tints that start getting on peoples backs for daring to moan or criticise a player. Another point to add is that its also several (rose tinters) who don’t really go to all the matches and spend there money. I think if I didn’t have a season ticket and didn’t go away matches my views on Wenger and the team would indeed have a more rose tinted outlook. I am not saying I am a super fan or that my view counts more. It just means I have more passion as like all fans that actual go most home or away matches, we are the 12th man. A fan at home cant generate the same amount of passion and that’s fact.