Arsenal Artillery 1886

[augie]

im actually in block 2 tonight

always get myself a decent seat on Carling Cup nights whilst the ST holders give themselves a night off.

Well, me too Red. Could be an opportunity to put a face to the kind of the wind-ups

I'll be on the lookout for a man shouting out "For fuck sake Wenger, bring back Denilson" and you'll spot me easily enough. Just look around the block immediately after Burrell shouts out:

"NUMBER 2.......ABOOOOOOOOOUUUUU......."

On the basis that IHH won't be in Block 2 this evening you should be able to spot me

Hoping the spud c**t fucks off to shl after he gets a decent run out tonight

I know it's tough mate, but we're here for you!

[Barriecuda]

Name sorted (tough sh*t if you don't like it )

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That's all you can do mate. Good luck!

[Its Up 4 Grabs Now]

Fact is, most of the people wanting this to happen at Arsenal will be thinking about 3 or 4 thousand fans standing, swearing, jumping about etc- it'd be amazing but the club wont want it so if they're involved they'll find a way of stopping it. They want atmosphere as it helps sell the club to the plastics, but they dont want the type of atmosphere that most fans want as it might put people off- clubs are shit scared of a return to hooliganism and whilst I know thats not what the gooners want at all, and I'm not suggesting thats what you're planning, the club will worry that any fan movement looking to create atmosphere is a step towards it

Surely that should make clubs more in favour of this sort of thing. That way, (in theory) by congregating as many of the singers/more traditional fans together they get some kind of atmosphere while still allowing the "quiet day out at the footy" types to enjoy said atmosphere from a safe distance.

Main problem is how to ensure the people that get tickets in these sections actually are up for making some noise. It's one thing the club calling it a singing section, but what's to stop anyone from buying a seat there either cos they want to seen to be part of the atmosphere without actually contributing to it, or just cos they want a cheaper lower-tier ticket etc.

That's why the only way I can think of is to make it so some kind of priority is given to fans with x number of away credits - ie for the first 24-48 hours only they can buy in those blocks. Still no guarantee obviously, but proportionally clearly the regular away-goers are more likely to make noise than the rest. Plus since a lot of them will know or at least recognise each other you should get more of a bunch of mates type of atmosphere & camaraderie.

And from the club's point of view, if it entices more of the away-goers back to home games that's more tickets sold for them. You'd think it was a win/win, but as you've said in the past clubs are too short-sighted to see past the end of their own cocks.

[DUFFMAN]

Fact is, most of the people wanting this to happen at Arsenal will be thinking about 3 or 4 thousand fans standing, swearing, jumping about etc- it'd be amazing but the club wont want it so if they're involved they'll find a way of stopping it. They want atmosphere as it helps sell the club to the plastics, but they dont want the type of atmosphere that most fans want as it might put people off- clubs are shit scared of a return to hooliganism and whilst I know thats not what the gooners want at all, and I'm not suggesting thats what you're planning, the club will worry that any fan movement looking to create atmosphere is a step towards it

Surely that should make clubs more in favour of this sort of thing. That way, (in theory) by congregating as many of the singers/more traditional fans together they get some kind of atmosphere while still allowing the "quiet day out at the footy" types to enjoy said atmosphere from a safe distance.

Main problem is how to ensure the people that get tickets in these sections actually are up for making some noise. It's one thing the club calling it a singing section, but what's to stop anyone from buying a seat there either cos they want to seen to be part of the atmosphere without actually contributing to it, or just cos they want a cheaper lower-tier ticket etc.

That's why the only way I can think of is to make it so some kind of priority is given to fans with x number of away credits - ie for the first 24-48 hours only they can buy in those blocks. Still no guarantee obviously, but proportionally clearly the regular away-goers are more likely to make noise than the rest. Plus since a lot of them will know or at least recognise each other you should get more of a bunch of mates type of atmosphere & camaraderie.

And from the club's point of view, if it entices more of the away-goers back to home games that's more tickets sold for them. You'd think it was a win/win, but as you've said in the past clubs are too short-sighted to see past the end of their own cocks.

[DUFFMAN]

That's exactly the point IUFGN

these people DELIBRATELY buy seats in 6 so that they can stand and enjoy t atmosphere without contributing a thing towards it.

Unless you can get these people out, our atmos is always gonna struggle to spread round the ground

[safcftm]

Fact is, most of the people wanting this to happen at Arsenal will be thinking about 3 or 4 thousand fans standing, swearing, jumping about etc- it'd be amazing but the club wont want it so if they're involved they'll find a way of stopping it. They want atmosphere as it helps sell the club to the plastics, but they dont want the type of atmosphere that most fans want as it might put people off- clubs are shit scared of a return to hooliganism and whilst I know thats not what the gooners want at all, and I'm not suggesting thats what you're planning, the club will worry that any fan movement looking to create atmosphere is a step towards it

Surely that should make clubs more in favour of this sort of thing. That way, (in theory) by congregating as many of the singers/more traditional fans together they get some kind of atmosphere while still allowing the "quiet day out at the footy" types to enjoy said atmosphere from a safe distance.

Main problem is how to ensure the people that get tickets in these sections actually are up for making some noise. It's one thing the club calling it a singing section, but what's to stop anyone from buying a seat there either cos they want to seen to be part of the atmosphere without actually contributing to it, or just cos they want a cheaper lower-tier ticket etc.

That's why the only way I can think of is to make it so some kind of priority is given to fans with x number of away credits - ie for the first 24-48 hours only they can buy in those blocks. Still no guarantee obviously, but proportionally clearly the regular away-goers are more likely to make noise than the rest. Plus since a lot of them will know or at least recognise each other you should get more of a bunch of mates type of atmosphere & camaraderie.

And from the club's point of view, if it entices more of the away-goers back to home games that's more tickets sold for them. You'd think it was a win/win, but as you've said in the past clubs are too short-sighted to see past the end of their own cocks.

Trouble is the type of atmosphere they want isnt the type that they're likely to get. Clubs do want noise, but they dont want "laddish" behaviour and rude chants. They'd want families in face paint all singing "we love you Arsenal we do" etc, they dont want a load of pissed up lads singing abuse to Harry Redknapp. Trouble is, we all know what kind of atmosphere the fans want. The atmosphere the clubs want isnt compatible with the atmosphere the fans want and so clubs tend to be very reluctant to facilitate an atmosphere unless they have absolute control over it and can stick loads of kids etc there to try and make people tone it down a bit. If the fans group could guarantee that theyd be colourful and make family friendly noise the club would love it and would back it all the way, but the lads behind this group would think its shit. Aye, they could stick the singers together, leave them to police themselves and have the plastics elsewhere enjoying their prawn sandwiches, but one chant similar to the Spurs chants about Sol Campbell and they would have the kind of publicity that they dont want and that wont encourage the plastic brigade to attend. I doubt a club will allow any sort of a singing section unless its totally on their terms and therefore a bit shit, and that goes for my club as well as AFC

[DB10GOONER]

I agree with our Mackem mate.

I'd add that the total control that Sky Sports is trying to obtain over the packaging of the PL abroad is influencing the clubs also. They want the sanitised facepainted families singing jolly old songs of support and clapping politely. They don't want pissed up Percy and Rebel there singing about the fact we all know ‘Arry’s momma takes cash for anal! It’s the way the modern game is going.

[OneBardGooner]

I agree with our Mackem mate.

I'd add that the total control that Sky Sports is trying to obtain over the packaging of the PL abroad is influencing the clubs also. They want the sanitised facepainted families singing jolly old songs of support and clapping politely. They don't want pissed up Percy and Rebel there singing about the fact we all know ‘Arry’s momma takes cash for anal! It’s the way the modern game is going.

and don't forget she also sucks cock and pays for the privilege

[Barriecuda]

I agree with our Mackem mate.

I'd add that the total control that Sky Sports is trying to obtain over the packaging of the PL abroad is influencing the clubs also. They want the sanitised facepainted families singing jolly old songs of support and clapping politely. They don't want pissed up Percy and Rebel there singing about the fact we all know ‘Arry’s momma takes cash for anal! It’s the way the modern game is going.

The "working class" (use the term loosely) people who made the game what it is, are now being phased out to make room for the richer families looking for their next Sunday kick, no pun intended. It's like someone walking into your home that you've lived in for 30 years and then criticizing how you do things and forcing you to change them to suit their needs.

Really sad stuff; what people love and are passionate about is slowly being taken from their grasp and given to people who's interest is probably passing at best.

[Tomáš]

Hello,
It is a great thread and a great movement!

From an outsider it looks like:
1. You need a committed group of fans who stick together
2. You need a special section within the stadium. Maybe the best spot is just behind the goal on one end, depends on how many fans will attend this active supporter group
3. You need discussion with the officials from the club to get your ideas going

Good luck for your fan movement!
BYW,
Thomas

[StuartL]

Name sorted (tough sh*t if you don't like it )

Arsenal Artillery 1886 logo/image is being designed and will be available in a few days.

If nothing comes of this so well and good - at least we're trying rather than typing

Shame I was hoping for the "magazine rack" to continue the gun theme but also put a homely library touch to it.

[I Hate Hleb]

[HashKads]

That's exactly the point IUFGN

these people DELIBRATELY buy seats in 6 so that they can stand and enjoy t atmosphere without contributing a thing towards it.

Unless you can get these people out, our atmos is always gonna struggle to spread round the ground

This is one of the problems Duffy.

I don't know how this can be done (maybe speak with Reg/BSM) but get this new group set-up like a supporters club.

I don't quite know how they operate but by starting to get 'like minded fans' applying for tickets.
Hopefully ask the club to allocate the same area each game and with a view to expanding including season ticket allocation into this area.

Rather then let the club sort the seating of this area get the club to point fans into the Groups direction.

This should be something that's addressed as a top priority. Sadly I don't see it happening as it would require Arsenal giving up an element of control. In Europe, the club give tickets for a certain area to the supporters group who then sell them on to the most vocal supporters, so they're getting exactly the kinda people they want in their section.

Getting a supporters group set up should be one of the first, most important issues we address. Strength in numbers. Like minded fans who'll work together & stand together. Sadly, organisation is not a strength of the English mentality.

Yes but we have one already called REDsection in block5/6

Its just not being used to its full potential and has been left to rot

Correct that first and we have 2 blocks of like minded people all putting in more effort. The club can help address this and move on to other areas after that.

This is what annoys we have a ready made supporter group , 2 blocks of fans that stand and (at times can make noise) when they feel like it.

Sorting this will cause a reaction within the ground guaranteed.

I think Mikey is right here. These 2 blocks need to be sorted out first. On Wednesday for example, songs were getting started, sung one chorus and thats it. What's the point? By the time its sung once the other end of the ground just about pick up what were singing but then everyone has stopped so it just drowns out.

Also, there are too many people in 5/6 that just want to be there so they can say to their mates 'yeah I'm in the lively section' but do nothing to help it be 'lively'.

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