As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
Chippy wrote:
Let's be honest nobody is worth the stupid money footballers get.
so true and lets face it walcott is the poster boy for this...so his 90 mins idea of "work" by his words is 3 CROSSES & 2 SHOTS ??? WTF!!!.... job done, wheres my cheque...oh and btw uncle wenger can i have some more please?...soon!!!...he's a 3rd class passenger travelling 1st class...flatter to deceive etc.etc.
i see he's on arse.com saying he's "completely fearless"?....really? looked liked like he was bricking it (again) last night when the wolves fans were pissing themselves over his many blundercrosses and passes....well done wallcott...seems like sagna's playing right back and right wing coz walcott keeps melting and hiding
play the ox for walcott for the rest of the season wenger FFS.
Not throwaway comments Augie. There are usual suspects who appear to have opinions set in stone; whether these opinions are entrenched in the positive (Red/Louder) or negative (Sid/Yourself). These opinions that everything is fucking great/fucking shit are cemented in, untouchable by performances. Walcott played a significant part in getting us a crucial three points. We have dropped points in these types of games in the past, especially at this stage of the season. I posted on the official that Wenger cannot be responsible for the successful part of a season if he has no responsibility for the failures. That works both ways.
I think Walcott's crossing has improved this year. His link up with RVP is also encouraging. He is still young. A promising player. Before we dismiss him being worth 80-100k per week you need to look at the market. Denilson and B52 aren't worth their contracts which means we couldn't move them on. There would be no such problem with Theo. A host of clubs will offer him what he wants. That suggests, in todays market, he is worth the wage.
Cockerill's chin wrote:Not throwaway comments Augie. There are usual suspects who appear to have opinions set in stone; whether these opinions are entrenched in the positive (Red/Louder) or negative (Sid/Yourself). These opinions that everything is fucking great/fucking shit are cemented in, untouchable by performances. Walcott played a significant part in getting us a crucial three points. We have dropped points in these types of games in the past, especially at this stage of the season. I posted on the official that Wenger cannot be responsible for the successful part of a season if he has no responsibility for the failures. That works both ways.
I think Walcott's crossing has improved this year. His link up with RVP is also encouraging. He is still young. A promising player. Before we dismiss him being worth 80-100k per week you need to look at the market. Denilson and B52 aren't worth their contracts which means we couldn't move them on. There would be no such problem with Theo. A host of clubs will offer him what he wants. That suggests, in todays market, he is worth the wage.
Fair enough CC but the "usual suspects" is a bit of a generalisation which I feel isnt a fair reflection of reality - over the past 12 months or so I defended kos on here when the knives were really out for him in the same way that I find myself defending mert and ramsey today (although in the past I was also a lone voice defending flaps and that didnt work out so well ) so while I may be a critic, I dont think that I am blinkered when assessing players.
The thing with walnut is regardless of whether you rate him or not you need to look at the bigger financial picture when assessing the situation - does it make sense financially to give feo the type of wages he is demanding when we already have a top heavy wage bill ? We already have the ox more than capable of filling his boots so wouldnt it be prudent to sell feo and re-invest that money in other area's ? We cant all bemoan the size of our wage bill and the excessive wages some players are on and at the same time refuse to address the issue by continuing to offer big wage increases to players unworthy of the sums concerned.
Your definition of being worth the wage is in my opinion majorly flawed - in one sentence you state that denilson and bentner are not worthy of their wages but in the same sentence you say that if clubs are willing to pay feo what he wants then that makes him worth the wage By that argument doesnt that mean that denilson and bendtner are worth their wages cos we were stupid enough to pay them that amount ?
Chippy wrote:For once in my life I am going to disagree with Augie. Walcott is not Robbie or Freddy but he won the game for us last night. He is a great impact player. For me he should be super sub. Bring him on with 20 mins to go, against a tired FB and create a last minute goal or occupy the defence.
Let's be honest nobody is worth the stupid money footballers get.
He wants 100k. Is it worth paying that to a 'super sub' who can't dribble, pass and cross?
I hate Theo some days, and love him others. So I just try not to talk about him, so I don't have to disagree with myself a week or two later
I did want to say this though. In a league with minimum "British" requirements on a squad, that gives English players in the Premiership a boost in what their wages should reasonably be. It makes British players easier to move on to other teams, as I'm sure plenty of teams are eager to boost their "local" numbers, but you also have to pay a premium for this "feature".
So maybe that should be considered when determining what Walcott is worth. He might only be worth 80k, but that could be a 20k premium right there.
Cockerill's chin wrote:Walcott used his pace to get us the penalty and the early red card. He then finished off a good one two to make the three points safe. Hey but don't forget he was a twat last night
The criticism he gets is well over the top. He has taken a step forward this year and can progress into an important Arsenal player. Stats can't be over relied upon but they can't be dismissed as irrelevant either. Theo has made some important contributions this year. He needs to stay, as does RVP.
How many times have we seen Arsenal fail to break down a stubborn away defence? Walcott undid it twice in the first eleven minutes to make the points safe and still the usual suspects slaughter him Can we stop with the Statler and Waldorf auditions?
There are parts of this I agree with, yes he has improved this year but this doesn't gloss over the fact he is far too inconsistent, offers little end product when he doesn't get into a game and - the key here - he's looking for a pay rise. He needs to do more to justify getting more money IMO.
And from what I quoted in the standard interview, I don't think three crosses and two shots is a sufficient target for a professional footballer who played in an attacking position. He didn't mention scoring goals/he wants to score/anything like that in the interview, he just said "I set myself a target of 3 crosses and 2 shots per game". Do you think that's reasonable, then take your 75k home?
Don't get me wrong I like(d) him as a player but the more the years roll on the more he should be offering the team. Every year is meant to be his breakout year, still waiting for it personally.
Red Member wrote:I said a few months ago he should be on at least £100,000 a week and I stand by that.
if we dont pay it then another club will.
Another club can pay him that then and they can have half a dozen good games from him a season.To even think he is worth £100k a week after 6 years of failing to deliver says more about you RM.No way is Walcott worth £100k a week.I'm sure Liverpool will take him off our hands.They like to sign English duds.Offer him £50k a week(even thats too much) if he doesnt like it he can fuck off
I can't see the flaw Augie. You can't assess market conditions by looking at one club's valuation of a player. The fact that Arsenal paid B52 and others a high wage doesn't justify their market value. Wenger got that wrong. The point is other clubs weren't prepared to meet our valuation. This suggests they were overpaid. Other clubs will be prepared to meet Theo's demands which suggests he is worth the wage in today's market.
Cashing in on Theo because Ox is his replacement is beyond absurd. We have all protested the lack of depth in the squad and now we have two impact players fighting it out for the right flank. What happens when the Ox picks up his inevitable Arsenal injury? I'd much prefer these two pushing eachother to improve over the next three years. Lets move on Theo when we have two Oxs pushing him. I'm sure there's a joke there about cart before the ox.
Theo and Sagna down the right has caused various teams some problems. Walcott has also begun tracking back more this season. I think he will develop into an important Gooner. Apologies for forgetting your defence of Kos and you are welcome that I forgot your defence of Flappy .
Walcott has the possibility to become one of the all time Arsenal greats and be here as long as Tony Adams was.
I would be quite happy to see Walcott and Wenger here for the next decade
£100k a week? That sounds.. much? According to many sources that would be more than players like Özil or Benzema earn and I'm not too sure if Theo is really that good
Ok CC, I acknowledge that this might be only my opinion but I just dont see the worth in giving 100k per week to feo - yes he is worthy of a bigger wage than denilson, diaby and the worlds best danish striker ( ) but then that wouldnt be hard would it ? Fact is that his contributions are sporadic and I dont think that should be acceptable for a guy looking for a 30k per week wage increase especially one that is a regular starter in the team.
As regards offloading him my mindset is this - right now we have ox, klingon, feo and at a push either rosicky or benyoun to fill those wide positions and next season we can probably add podolski and ryo to that list as well for next season so would it be a huge issue to offload a winger or two ? How about we sell feo for 20m and invest it in upgrading another key area (de jong for DM would do for me) ? I am not even ruling out the possibility that walnut could go somewhere else and be a big success but in my opinion, in our system he lacks the intelligence and all round football ability to ever fit in properly especially when trying to justify 100k per week wages
) so while I may be a critic, I dont think that I am blinkered when assessing players.
By that argument doesnt that mean that denilson and bendtner are worth their wages cos we were stupid enough to pay them that amount ?
Walcott is not Robbie or Freddy but he won the game for us last night. He is a great impact player. For me he should be super sub. Bring him on with 20 mins to go, against a tired FB and create a last minute goal or occupy the defence. 
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