VILLA AWAY

[Its Up 4 Grabs Now]

Hill "piss the bed" Wood treats us like shit, cone head Gazidis sneers at us every time a microphone is put under his snout, Wal-Mart refuses to speak to us at all and the chief cretin supreme belittles us with each new snide comment.

Arsenal Football Club treat us like shit. No fucking more. Wenger's comments tonight are an utter, utter fucking disgrace. For him to speak about the away support like that shows what type of man he is. The man is a gutter snipe and a shit stain on the proud tradition of The Arsenal.

HOUND HIM OUT.

Last season or the 1 before Wenger was talking about how the away support was better than the home because they stuck by the team (and by extension, him) instead of groaning and getting on their backs (paraphrasing on my part). He's biting more and more hands all the time.

[Its Up 4 Grabs Now]

[1989]

Hill "piss the bed" Wood treats us like shit, cone head Gazidis sneers at us every time a microphone is put under his snout, Wal-Mart refuses to speak to us at all and the chief cretin supreme belittles us with each new snide comment.

Arsenal Football Club treat us like shit. No fucking more. Wenger's comments tonight are an utter, utter fucking disgrace. For him to speak about the away support like that shows what type of man he is. The man is a gutter snipe and a shit stain on the proud tradition of The Arsenal.

HOUND HIM OUT.

He's only distancing himself further from the away supporters with those comments. If he thinks having a pop at the fans will help him in any way, then he's even more delusional than we thought.

[QuartzGooner]

In defence of Ramsey, I do not think he is a deep central midfielder.

His position is where Cazorla plays.

That said, I think a loan spell in January is urgently needed but unlikely to happen.

[augie]

I agree 100% with the comment that Ramsey clogs up the space on occasions but I will also add that we have very few (if any) players that make as many off the ball forward runs as Ramsey does so his movement after he gives a pass might be poor but all round movement is quite good. I will also slightly disagree with the comment that he kills the tempo of our game - for me we rarely play with tempo anymore whether Ramsey is playing or not as our CIC has decided that there is no place for pace in football anymore, so to blame Rambo for that is harsh and unfair

[Its Up 4 Grabs Now]

In defence of Ramsey, I do not think he is a deep central midfielder.

His position is where Cazorla plays.

That said, I think a loan spell in January is urgently needed.

He rarely plays as a deep lying midfielder though. And he doesn't possess the vision or guile to play the Cazorla role. As far as unlocking defences Ramsey's more like a drunk struggling to fumble his key into his front door.

I could just about accept a loan in January rather than selling him outright though. I did think he had genuine potential but I struggle to remember what I ever saw in him now. He seems a nice enough bloke but as a footballer he just doesn't cut the mustard for us.

[QuartzGooner]

In defence of Ramsey, I do not think he is a deep central midfielder.

His position is where Cazorla plays.

That said, I think a loan spell in January is urgently needed.

He rarely plays as a deep lying midfielder though. And he doesn't possess the vision or guile to play the Cazorla role. As far as unlocking defences Ramsey's more like a drunk struggling to fumble his key into his front door.

I could just about accept a loan in January rather than selling him outright though. I did think he had genuine potential but I struggle to remember what I ever saw in him now. He seems a nice enough bloke but as a footballer he just doesn't cut the mustard for us.

Seems to me to play there more often than not, even as a sub?

He is a different style to Cazorla, but my impression of Ramsey's game is that his strength is making 10 - 20 metre power runs into the penalty area and playing one-twos which result in a decent pass to the striker.

Of course he has been poor this season apart from the City game but it is how I see Ramsey.

[rodders999]

My blood has been boiling since Hill Wood's comments at the AGM. He should have been lunched on the spot for that. But tonight I fully snapped, my sanity is gone. I have texts from friends saying how sweet it's going to be when Wenger turns it round. Have I lost my fucking mind? Am I in some alternate universe? They look at me as if I've lost my marbles when I say I want him gone. Are they in some cult? Have they been brain washed? It's very disconcerting to see grown men who actually think Wenger is the messiah. He can say or do no wrong as far as they are concerned.

I am slowly going insane. I swear to Christ I'm going to end up in an institution if this goes on much longer. I've lost my appetite, I'm not sleeping, I'm watching out great club go down the toilet while all around me sing There's only one Arsene Wenger. Maybe I need to step away from all this for a bit before I lose everything.

[Its Up 4 Grabs Now]

I agree 100% with the comment that Ramsey clogs up the space on occasions but I will also add that we have very few (if any) players that make as many off the ball forward runs as Ramsey does so his movement after he gives a pass might be poor but all round movement is quite good. I will also slightly disagree with the comment that he kills the tempo of our game - for me we rarely play with tempo anymore whether Ramsey is playing or not as our CIC has decided that there is no place for pace in football anymore, so to blame Rambo for that is harsh and unfair

Fair enough we're slow at the best times - our tempo & lack of movement off the ball are 2 of my biggest bugbears in recent years - but with Ramsey that seems to even more magnified. That side of it's not even about pace imo (although I agree we lack that too), it's about the player in possession having multiple options. For all the praise that Barca's passing gets a lot of it is relatively simple, it's their non-stop movement and showing for the ball that facilitates it all.

Ramsey may make a lot of forward runs (I agree to an extent) but are they the right runs, at the right time, into the right areas? I dont hate Ramsey in the way that many on here seem to. Up to the start of this season I was prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt - I still maintain too much was expected of him last season in the circumstances. But enough's enough. What qualities does he actually offer on even a semi-regular basis to the side?

[QuartzGooner]

My blood has been boiling since Hill Wood's comments at the AGM. He should have been lunched on the spot for that.

Slap up meal for two at Rules.

Smoked salmon to start, followed by breast of pheasant, a cheeseboard, and then the apple and calvados jelly with poached pears and cider sorbet.
Bottle of Burgundy to accompany the meal, and a good few brandies afterwards plus the obligatory Cuban cigar.

Trust that you are paying old boy?

[Its Up 4 Grabs Now]

In defence of Ramsey, I do not think he is a deep central midfielder.

His position is where Cazorla plays.

That said, I think a loan spell in January is urgently needed.

He rarely plays as a deep lying midfielder though. And he doesn't possess the vision or guile to play the Cazorla role. As far as unlocking defences Ramsey's more like a drunk struggling to fumble his key into his front door.

I could just about accept a loan in January rather than selling him outright though. I did think he had genuine potential but I struggle to remember what I ever saw in him now. He seems a nice enough bloke but as a footballer he just doesn't cut the mustard for us.

Seems to me to play there more often than not, even as a sub?

He is a different style to Cazorla, but my impression of Ramsey's game is that his strength is making 10 - 20 metre power runs into the penalty area and playing one-twos which result in a decent pass to the striker.

Of course he has been poor this season apart from the City game but it is how I see Ramsey.

Could be I've just misunderstood what you meant by "deep-lying midfielder." In my eyes when he's played centrally this season he's invariably been the link midfielder of the 3 - not as deep as Arteta, not as advanced as Santi. Same role as Jack, or Diaby before that, albeit they're all different players. I cant recall too many times he's consistently played in the striker with good through-balls (with the possible exception of 1 spell around the time of the 5-3 at Chelsea last season) and I dont think his "power runs" are anywhere near effective enough to justify playing him as the spearhead of our midfield ahead of far better options in our squad.

[augie]

I agree 100% with the comment that Ramsey clogs up the space on occasions but I will also add that we have very few (if any) players that make as many off the ball forward runs as Ramsey does so his movement after he gives a pass might be poor but all round movement is quite good. I will also slightly disagree with the comment that he kills the tempo of our game - for me we rarely play with tempo anymore whether Ramsey is playing or not as our CIC has decided that there is no place for pace in football anymore, so to blame Rambo for that is harsh and unfair

Fair enough we're slow at the best times - our tempo & lack of movement off the ball are 2 of my biggest bugbears in recent years - but with Ramsey that seems to even more magnified. That side of it's not even about pace imo (although I agree we lack that too), it's about the player in possession having multiple options. For all the praise that Barca's passing gets a lot of it is relatively simple, it's their non-stop movement and showing for the ball that facilitates it all.

Ramsey may make a lot of forward runs (I agree to an extent) but are they the right runs, at the right time, into the right areas? I dont hate Ramsey in the way that many on here seem to. Up to the start of this season I was prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt - I still maintain too much was expected of him last season in the circumstances. But enough's enough. What qualities does he actually offer on even a semi-regular basis to the side?

I would agree with you there but maybe Ramsey signifies what the modern day Arsenal is all about........good but nowhere near great and nowhere near good enough Let's be fair here and admit that we have so many players that fall into that category nowadays that it is shameful for a club of our stature - how many of this lot would even make it into the 2004 squad never mind the team ?

[Its Up 4 Grabs Now]

I have texts from friends saying how sweet it's going to be when Wenger turns it round. Have I lost my fucking mind? Am I in some alternate universe? They look at me as if I've lost my marbles when I say I want him gone. Are they in some cult? Have they been brain washed? It's very disconcerting to see grown men who actually think Wenger is the messiah. He can say or do no wrong as far as they are concerned.

My brother in law's an Oldham fan. He thinks I'm ungrateful and spoilt for complaining about Wenger & the situation at Arsenal in general. As if just because his club's a puddle of wank I should be judging a club of Arsenal's stature, history and potential by the same standards. It's even worse when that same attitude comes from other Arsenal fans. Sometimes it feels like supporting The Moonies.

[kite]

Augie I agree. Good but not good enough is exactly what I think. To be fair I don't really get why some people on here seem to hate him that much as he's not worse than players like Gervinho, Santos, Chamakh and some more.

[Its Up 4 Grabs Now]

I would agree with you there but maybe Ramsey signifies what the modern day Arsenal is all about........good but nowhere near great and nowhere near good enough Let's be fair here and admit that we have so many players that fall into that category nowadays that it is shameful for a club of our stature - how many of this lot would even make it into the 2004 squad never mind the team ?

True enough. Ramsey for me though is just one of the worst of the lot. I can at least see what most of the other regular midfield starters/subs bring to the table on a good day and weigh that up against their bad points. Santi, Jack, Arteta, Podolski, Walcott (never thought I'd say that), Ox, even Diaby, Rosicky when they're fit etc bring at least something to the table. With Ramsey I really cant see that what he adds in any way stacks up against what he detracts.