SWANSEA FA CUP REPLAY

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green gooner wrote:Hope you all don't mind a wee rant about ManUre here, Rooney MISSED a penalty, however it was described as an 'impure kick' by the saf loving media providing coverage of the game. The fat *word censored* MISSED :cussing:

Media are always happy to grant that shit club a get out, that's why I hate them :banghead:
Is a wee rant anything like the notorious poo wánk? :rubchin:

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The second half performance was as good as anything we've produced all season, whilst the first half was the usual tippy tappy go-slow and don't dare to shoot effort that has been a regular event in the first half of games this season. Why does it seem to pan out like that these days? God knows, because it was clear that when we stepped up the tempo in the second half that we had too much for Swansea and if we'd started like that we could have put them to the sword long before Jack's goal as they did sweet FA except Bartley hitting the bar

We've got three guys in the side who give their all week in, week out - Wilshere, Gibbs and Vermaelen. They've all got their faults and people are quick to pounce on the odd defensive lapse from the latter two but they worked their socks off again last night, especially Gibbs who gets precious little support defensively and covers every blade of grass up and down the left side. But, Wilshere was undoubtedly man of the match again - the guy really is a different class and I can only hope Kroenke and Wenger fuck off long before he does and a new man makes him the eventual captain and builds a team around him worthy of the name

The main front men were absolutely pathetic however. Walcott looked like the player of two years ago - all pace and no composure, poor timing of his runs etc, but another comedy gold star goes to that utterly useless carthorse he was playing alongside again. Honestly, Le Chapman is an absolute excuse of a centre forward. When he connects with a cross his '50 pence head' often results in the attempt at goal looking more like a clearance, whilst that one shot he had in the first half served only to warm up the photographers to the side of the goal. Worst of all is this mythical high work rate - what a fucking joke that is. In the first half in particular he loped around, arched back looking skywards after every poor touch (of which there were many) - if you want to see hard work look at Wilshere and Gibbs. Every time he gets a chance its blasted or shanked wide or straight at the keeper. The only thing he does OK is win a few flick ons and holds off defenders well enough with back to goal before rolling a simple 3 yard pass to a teammate - well Jason Roberts, Kevin Davies and Bobby Zamora can all do that and I wouldn't expect to part with €14m for any of them. Honestly, people think I'm harsh on the bloke but he is never going to have the pace, technique or finishing ability to be anything more than our very own modern day Chapman.

But we're still in the cup - the one that matters

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Surprised you've got nothing to say about Diaby SteveO. In all seriousness I think he helped our tempo in the second half yesterday. Wilshere was immense yesterday but has been most games since coming back, the difference yesterday imo was that Diaby was helping create space.

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Jack is the only one who will make the effort to PUSH the attack forward instead of passing around in an arc around the 18 yard box. I don't understand why AW can't drill it into their minds that they have to push the attack with more pace instead of trying to be patient tippy tappy. We do.not have the players for that style of game anymore. That worked well enough with fabregas and hleb and rvp and rosicky...not with the french loaf and Wally

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northbank123 wrote:Surprised you've got nothing to say about Diaby SteveO. In all seriousness I think he helped our tempo in the second half yesterday. Wilshere was immense yesterday but has been most games since coming back, the difference yesterday imo was that Diaby was helping create space.
Agreed mate. Abou is nowhere near back to his best but you can see the glimpses of what he does best i.e. change of pace, ability to put chances on a plate for the strikers (the ball to Theo for the second half miss was sublime) etc. I pray he stays fit for the rest of the season

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"Chelsea up next - time for an injury?"

Let's hope it's Abou's studs to Chav Terrys head again. :barscarf: :lol:

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Quite pleased with the second half performance and a delight to see Jack's passion, but the lasting impression of Theo, Giroud et al was this....

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Watching young Jack last night and his surging runs from midfield, my boy asked me who was better, Jack or Brady?
Looking at the goals from the '79 Cup Final and the part that Brady played in all 3 goals, it's hard to tell the difference.
Maybe Jack's gonna lead us to Cup glory 34 years on :barscarf:

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mcdowell42 wrote:N1 goon was on here earlier but funny hasn't posted since the game started oh silly me arsenal won :wink: :lol:
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DB10GOONER wrote:We were very poor up front, both Feo and Giroud were ropey, but they kept trying, so that was something... and in fairness Feo was unlucky - hit the post twice. And Giroud's ball for Wilshere's goal was quality. Apart from that though they were both pants really. Cazorla looked a bit hungrier and sharper than in previous games and Gibbs played well. Coq was ok, mixed bag really, couple of good tackles, couple of good passes, couple of shite passes - he deffo needs a run of games.

Sagna's confidence on the ball is shot to shit. He refuses to take people on, just turns around and looks for the pass back so often. What is up with him? He has quality, proper quality - but he looks unhappy and demotivated. Maybe Citeh or the chavs are quibbling about his wages for next season? Arsene knows. :roll:

Diaby is still not match fit but he showed glimpses of what he can do going forward. If we could keep him fit for a full season he'd be an immense player for us. Of course he'll air kick one on Sunday and go off injured at half time and we'll see him again on the opening day next season after he signs a 5 year contract extension during his rehab that'll put him on £100K a week. Arsene knows. :roll:

Wilshere though. Fucking hell. He is back to his best. He isn't pacey as such, but he has that natural burst of acceleration over 5 to 10 yards that takes him around people so easily. He was at the heart of everything good last night and his finish was quality. His passing, movement, vision, attitude, technique is so far above everyone else at The Arsenal it's frightening.

He is going to be a fantastic addition to the Man utd OR Barcalona squad next season. Fantastic. :( :x

Arsene knows. :roll:

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Strange how so many views of the same thing can be different. (although in reality it's not strange but the nature of the beast I guess).

I saw a good performance overall and while certainly Jack was the best player on the field, he was not 'miles' ahead of the rest, the rest or some of the others weren't 'pants'. A striker who slices his kicks, makes air shots, every one he does connect with misses by a 'country mile' is pants. Our two main strikers of the day didn't do this, they missed by a little, they hit the target a lot of the time, the keeper played well.

I felt in the middle of the park we looked much more assurred for a lot of the game than we have done recently and we played Swansea off the park for the major part. The first half wasn't 'shite'... a little frustrating at times ( aprticulalry given, with hindsight, the second half performance) but by no means disastrous.

The team played well, noone had a 'mare' and Jack was class. I felt that there was some passion and desire as a team that was reassuring to see. Our opposition were a good team, know how to play and are indeed a top half premiership side.

All of the above is, of course, my own opinion but it is how I saw it.

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Steve_I wrote:Strange how so many views of the same thing can be different. (although in reality it's not strange but the nature of the beast I guess).

I saw a good performance overall and while certainly Jack was the best player on the field, he was not 'miles' ahead of the rest, the rest or some of the others weren't 'pants'. A striker who slices his kicks, makes air shots, every one he does connect with misses by a 'country mile' is pants. Our two main strikers of the day didn't do this, they missed by a little, they hit the target a lot of the time, the keeper played well.

I felt in the middle of the park we looked much more assurred for a lot of the game than we have done recently and we played Swansea off the park for the major part. The first half wasn't 'shite'... a little frustrating at times ( aprticulalry given, with hindsight, the second half performance) but by no means disastrous.

The team played well, noone had a 'mare' and Jack was class. I felt that there was some passion and desire as a team that was reassuring to see. Our opposition were a good team, know how to play and are indeed a top half premiership side.

All of the above is, of course, my own opinion but it is how I saw it.
a good performance compared to what? the absolute trash games we've been playing or compared to even a few years ago when fabregas and rvp and co. would have slaughtered that swansea team at home.

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Yankee_Gooner_Dandee wrote:a good performance compared to what? the absolute trash games we've been playing or compared to even a few years ago when fabregas and rvp and co. would have slaughtered that swansea team at home.
A good performance by a team full stop.

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Steve_I wrote:Strange how so many views of the same thing can be different. (although in reality it's not strange but the nature of the beast I guess).

I saw a good performance overall and while certainly Jack was the best player on the field, he was not 'miles' ahead of the rest, the rest or some of the others weren't 'pants'. A striker who slices his kicks, makes air shots, every one he does connect with misses by a 'country mile' is pants. Our two main strikers of the day didn't do this, they missed by a little, they hit the target a lot of the time, the keeper played well.

I felt in the middle of the park we looked much more assurred for a lot of the game than we have done recently and we played Swansea off the park for the major part. The first half wasn't 'shite'... a little frustrating at times ( aprticulalry given, with hindsight, the second half performance) but by no means disastrous.

The team played well, noone had a 'mare' and Jack was class. I felt that there was some passion and desire as a team that was reassuring to see. Our opposition were a good team, know how to play and are indeed a top half premiership side.

All of the above is, of course, my own opinion but it is how I saw it.
I saw a good second half mate. First half was absolutely atrocious I thought, we stood off them so much and allowed them to be so comfortable.

Second half was a peek of this team at their best (don't get too excited gents). Pressing the opposition hard into giving the ball away high up the pitch, moving the ball quickly and driving at the opposition from central midfield instead of stagnant possession (leading to us getting forced out wide early on or letting the opposition get 10 men behind the ball). Ultimately lacking quality up front, hence so many great opportunities breaking down at the final stage and an inability to convert chances.

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northbank123 wrote:
Steve_I wrote:Strange how so many views of the same thing can be different. (although in reality it's not strange but the nature of the beast I guess).

I saw a good performance overall and while certainly Jack was the best player on the field, he was not 'miles' ahead of the rest, the rest or some of the others weren't 'pants'. A striker who slices his kicks, makes air shots, every one he does connect with misses by a 'country mile' is pants. Our two main strikers of the day didn't do this, they missed by a little, they hit the target a lot of the time, the keeper played well.

I felt in the middle of the park we looked much more assurred for a lot of the game than we have done recently and we played Swansea off the park for the major part. The first half wasn't 'shite'... a little frustrating at times ( aprticulalry given, with hindsight, the second half performance) but by no means disastrous.

The team played well, noone had a 'mare' and Jack was class. I felt that there was some passion and desire as a team that was reassuring to see. Our opposition were a good team, know how to play and are indeed a top half premiership side.

All of the above is, of course, my own opinion but it is how I saw it.
I saw a good second half mate. First half was absolutely atrocious I thought, we stood off them so much and allowed them to be so comfortable.

Second half was a peek of this team at their best (don't get too excited gents). Pressing the opposition hard into giving the ball away high up the pitch, moving the ball quickly and driving at the opposition from central midfield instead of stagnant possession (leading to us getting forced out wide early on or letting the opposition get 10 men behind the ball). Ultimately lacking quality up front, hence so many great opportunities breaking down at the final stage and an inability to convert chances.
I can't go with absolutely atrocious I'm afraid mate. As i said originally, I found it frustrating and, while I agree with you that we allowed them to be comfortable, I also did not feel we were uncomfortable. We showed signs, in that first half, of the pressing to come. We showed some nice touches and passages of play, admittedly with little final product outside of coquelin's shot perhaps, but by no means 'atrocious' imo.

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