THE WENGER THREAD

[Ikechukwu1]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/ ... ce-7356641

Just a wee reminder of what Lord Fuckstick said just 5 months ago. So it's ok for fans to pay "dizzying prices" because that's how a market economy works....but of course never acceptable for the club to give anything back by signing class and sacking the cretin
Funniest bit is he's so retarded he went as far as to claim the Emirates cost £128m when it cost well over double that. Absolute joke he is. His knowledge of economics is farcical. £30m was too expensive for Higuain 3 summers ago, he's now cost more than double that. £50m was also too much for Suarez, who would now also cost more than double that. Of course though, paying Walcott, Le Donkey et al £££ is very smart

Still. He isn't the biggest problem at the club is he? No no it's Kroenke and Gazidis who force him to repeat arrogant summers that pre-date their arrival eh? Kroenke is a huge problem but it's clear the most immediate hurdle is Lord A-Hole.

Woah woah woah woah woah WOAH WOAH!

You're back?!

https://twitter.com/spursofficial/statu ... 6464256000

I was going to respond but then realised than in our post-Brexit world, 52% of the U.K. are officially retarded. Which would explain a lot. I'll let you carry on.
We live in a post-factual world after all eh?

[armchair]

Its the footballing side of the club thats failing.

We are rich beyond our wildest dreams. Sponsorships. TV deals. Commercial deals all over the world. Our brand is huge and getting bigger.
I dont think that any gooner wouldnt be happy that the club is a roaring success financially? So the commercial department at Arsenal are to be congratulated yea?

The problems arise on the other side. The football side. The side that Wenger has sole responsibility for. Transfers in/out, players wages, training, medical, tactics, team management. We are a sleeping giant waiting to be woken up by a manager who will use the money the club undoubtedly has to improve us. To help us compete. Actually compete.
Wenger has never been refused transfer money by anyone at Arsenal. Its his decision to submit lowball bids and insult other clubs, players, their agents, pretty much everyone.

I have zero problem that Arsenal are successful financially. I have major problems that Wenger is finished and is harming our chances of football success with every hour more he stinks the pkace out.

[postmanPat91]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/ ... ce-7356641

Just a wee reminder of what Lord Fuckstick said just 5 months ago. So it's ok for fans to pay "dizzying prices" because that's how a market economy works....but of course never acceptable for the club to give anything back by signing class and sacking the cretin
Funniest bit is he's so retarded he went as far as to claim the Emirates cost £128m when it cost well over double that. Absolute joke he is. His knowledge of economics is farcical. £30m was too expensive for Higuain 3 summers ago, he's now cost more than double that. £50m was also too much for Suarez, who would now also cost more than double that. Of course though, paying Walcott, Le Donkey et al £££ is very smart

Still. He isn't the biggest problem at the club is he? No no it's Kroenke and Gazidis who force him to repeat arrogant summers that pre-date their arrival eh? Kroenke is a huge problem but it's clear the most immediate hurdle is Lord A-Hole.

Back you miserable bastard? Haven't you heard we're in for Jonny 'Beckenbauer' Evans? Living the fucking dream

[Sean]

1,700 pages and the arrogant old bastard is still here

It has more than doubled since the last contract extension

I'd rather finish 10th without Wanka than 4th with him. At least then you might see some actual change around the fucking place. The whole football club has become institutionalised under him, time for root and branch reform. I hope it all goes to shit this season, I'll take so much delight if it all turns toxic on the fucker, by God he deserves it.

Stop commenting on other clubs transfer dealings you gormless turnip cretinous fucking prick.

Did you hear any other club comment about your pathetic amateurish attempt to sign Jamie Vardy which obviously you royally fucked up? NOPE.

Did you hear any other club comment on the fact you bought a Swiss midfielder who's hardly set the world on fire for 35 million quid? NOPE.

Did you hear any other club comment that despite needing a world class striker for around 4 seasons now off you went to the J League and signed some fucking no mark who even admitted he thought it was a piss take when first told of our interest? NOPE.

So Arsene do us all a massive favour and shut the fuck up having an opinion on absolutely everything and only open your snide, lying hypocritical mouth when you've either signed someone yourself or to announce that you are fucking off.

JUST PISS OFF

Spot on, Rodders

The part that amazes me, about this latest transfer window fiasco, is how easy of a ride, Wenger has gotten from the media. There should be numerous articles slating him, if for nothing else, the failure to replace RVP(and he left four years ago). I'm no fan of Mourinho,( I think he is an arrogant, classless wanker), but I found it interesting how the media were lining up to take shots at him, when Chelsea sacked him. This, despite winning a PL the year before, but are happy to celebrate the non-achievement of Mr. 4th place. This same media, were calling fans "ungrateful" for protesting against Wenger last season, yet at the same time, had no problem with Man united fans wanting Moyes to go, less than a year after the departure of a manager who had won 13 PL, and 2 CL. The media are the only ones in a positon to properly criticise Wenger, and for it to have an impact, but they seem happier to stay quiet, and prop up a guy who has been finished as a manager, for the best part of a decade.

I know. It's pretty depressing seeing TOF get away with murder season after season.

Partially due to the aforementioned love of talking about everyone else's business and indulging in non-football discussion, as the hacks will fucking ask him anything about anything.

• Arsene, what's your opinion on the moon landings?
  
  Look, uhhh, I think they happened. Neil Armstrong was qwalitee.
  
  Arsene, what do you think of Kim Jong-Eun's policies in North Korea?
  
  Look, uhhh, I think he has the right to run the country as he sees fit, just as I run this club, which I built.
  
  Arsene, what do you think of Stalin sending Trotsky into exile?
  
  Look, uhhh, I think he needed to consolidate his power, just as I did when David Dein was sacked.
  
  Arsene, what do you think of the price of a pint of milk?
  
  Look, uhhh, I think the global economy dictates that we have little bit inflation. Except when I bid £10 for an international player.
  
  Arsene, when will you sign a top, top player?
  
  How many games have you managed? Why do you look at me?
  
  Arsene, why have you ballsed up the last eight years?
  
  Look, uhhh, stop that story, or we stop the press conference!

[Nos89]

Ok Nos89, you tell me which scenario you would want if given the choice -

1. We finish top 4 and qualify for champions league first knockout every season of the next decade

OR

2. We only qualify for champs league 4 times in the next decade, BUT that we also win 3 league titles in that time


If you pick option one then you need to have a real look at yourself and ask yourself what drew you to become an Arsenal fan in the first place.

Augie, pick one scenario

1. Wenger remains manager for next 10 years, we win 3 league titles and 3 champions leagues

OR

2. Wenger leaves and we finish top 4 each season and qualify for last 16 every season for a decade.

[Nos89]

Ok Nos89, you tell me which scenario you would want if given the choice -

1. We finish top 4 and qualify for champions league first knockout every season of the next decade

OR

2. We only qualify for champs league 4 times in the next decade, BUT that we also win 3 league titles in that time


If you pick option one then you need to have a real look at yourself and ask yourself what drew you to become an Arsenal fan in the first place.

Augie, pick one scenario

1. Wenger remains manager for next 10 years, we win 3 league titles and 3 champions leagues

OR

2. Wenger leaves and we finish top 4 each season and qualify for last 16 every season for a decade.

I know why I became an Arsenal supporter but we both know that club no longer exists and there is no going back to The Arsenal.

[Nos89]

I'm not an apologist for Wenger I was merely pointing out, as a club we've achieved a level of consistency that is unparalleled by anyone in English football league history.
There are better manager's than Wenger, but they are short term, high impact manager's. I would love to see Mourinho and Guardiola at the same club for 10-15 years.

Oh dear.......

Please compare Man Utd's trophy haul during Wenker's reign to ours
(hint, theirs includes 2 Champions League victories and several more league title wins)

Also look at Liverpool's domination during the late 70's to late 80's again they were multiple champions of Europe with an astonishing haul of domestic trophies.

During the 1930's The Arsenal won the title 5 times and the FA cup twice (then the war got in the way)

I would happily take any of the above over finishing 4th / 3rd / 2nd a record number of times.

And, what the hell is wrong with a short-term high impact manager ?
Sounds ideal to me, no stagnation of tactics and bored players. hearing the exact same teamtalk for years on end instead a fresh approach, new players with hunger to prove themselves, win things.

btw, sorry to be picking your recent posts to bits, but they scream out to me that you are defending him out of a misplaced loyalty just because he is Arsenal manager (an employee of the club)l rather than through agreement of his current methods or recent record.

I'm simply pointing out that this is the most consistent period in our history. No Arsenal manager before Wenger has sustained our league status of a top 4 club, we spent 10 seasons in the top 2. Would I like to have seen more league titles? Yes, absolutely. Would I like to see more European trophies? Yes, absolutely.
In the last 20 years would I prefer to have Liverpool's record? No. The league is the be all and end all.
The club is set up for more trophy succews. Wiil we get it with Kronke and Wenger. No. But we will be consistent in league position with the odd FA Cup.

[OneBardGooner]

He's atg it again the gibbering, idiotic, old fool...Anyhting to detract from the truth and the desperate need for players of quality

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36938972



Anyone - ANYONE who thinks the old fool still deserves a chance to continue as manager or even be kept on in some other capacity even as a toilet cleaner at THE Arsenal is a Fuckin' Idjit!. FACT.

[xisstential]

Can you imagine if somebody came in for Sanchez or Ozil with a 75m bid. Does anyone think Wenger will reject it outright because the prices have become obscene?? Probably not... it will go so fast into the old sky rocket nobody will even see it.

[Bradywasking]

Just read an article about proposed changes to the Champions League format...Top European clubs are apparently concerned about the global popularity of the Premier League and view the Champions League as their best hope of income growth.
The plan seems to be to make the Champions League more elite by granting SIX guaranteed place to Europe's top leagues..
So Sixth could be the new Fourth and the new VT..Ivan and Stan will be pleased.

[Ed Hunter The Gooner]

Good article.

“He gives us power and penetration – he has it all. That’s why I would like him to get to the level he can go to. Maybe he doesn’t completely believe himself how good he can be and that’s the final step for him.”

Arsene Wenger steadfastly believes it is his job to help Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain realise his potential, and it’s undoubtedly an admirable stance when the alternative is to give up on young, talented, fragile players and buy replacements that have already shown themselves to be more robust both physically and mentally. Or at least it was admirable in 2014 when The Ox was 20 and had just endured a season punctuated by injury. And it was perhaps still admirable in 2015 when he had established himself as Arsenal’s first-choice right-winger before his season was once again ended by injury. But in 2016? After five years, only 49 Premier League starts and just seven top-flight goals? Is there not a point when it is more laudable to admit defeat and concentrate on other, less benevolent elements of your role as a football manager?

Does Wenger live in perpetual fear of his well-nurtured but flawed young players blooming elsewhere? This is the man who kept hold of Jeremie Aliadiere until he was a 24-year-old striker with just one Premier League goal to his name. Astonishingly, it’s only two years since Nicklas Bendtner ceased to be an Arsenal player. These are easy names to fling at the club, but they also neatly illustrate the point about Wenger’s frustrating/admirable loyalty. That the season begins again in two weeks with Oxlade-Chamberlain, Carl Jenkinson, Kieran Gibbs and Theo Walcott still in Arsenal colours would be astonishing were it not so predictable.

In the last five years since Chamberlain signed for Arsenal, Wenger has only willingly sold three outfield players to smaller Premier League clubs – Marouane Chamakh, Kyle Bartley and Armand Traore. For the sake of contrast, Manchester United have shunted Tom Cleverley, Jonny Evans, Danny Welbeck, Darren Fletcher, Wilfried Zaha, Michael Keane, Fabio, Park Ji-Sung, Dimitar Berbatov, John O’Shea, Gabriel Obertan and Darron Gibson to other Premier League clubs and a whole heap of other players to lower-league outfits, including two in Ritchie de Laet and Danny Drinkwater who now have Premier League winners’ medals.

It’s easy to point out that Manchester United have only won the title once in those five years and are now exiled from the Champions League so hardly make ideal role models, but it’s also difficult to pick out one of those names who would have helped write a different story. Manchester United have not stalled because they have changed things too radically, but Arsenal are clearly failing to hit fifth gear at least in part because they have not changed things enough.

We have long had a reputation at Football365 for being biased towards Arsenal, with almost daily e-mails of a hilarious ‘why don’t you just call yourselves Arsenal365?’ nature. Former Winners and Losers man Pete Gill was a grumpy old/young Arsenal fan and we have always had a soft/hard spot for the Gunners, Arsene Wenger and his preferred style of football. We have habitually sided with them against the mainstream media when their criticism has been badly researched or just plain rooted in xenophobia. We are all inherently biased in some way and we have sometimes instinctively backed the Arsenal horse, before switching mid-stream when we have fallen a little in love with Manchester City, Liverpool or Tottenham. No Football365er supports a Premier League club so we like who we like, love who we love and laugh at those who amuse us.

And it’s that well-established goodwill towards Wenger and Arsenal that leads us to hope in vain for some kind of change, for some kind of recognition that the status quo is not working. We may not be Arsenal fans but some of us have been watching and writing for a very long time and share close to the same frustrations as Arsenal fans. And no, it’s not necessarily about the simple solution of spending £50m on a new striker (though I stand by my belief that January was the time to opt for this simple solution when Arsenal started a sprint for the line wearing one running shoe and a welly), but it could be a nuanced change in formation to allow Aaron Ramsey to contribute more to a side that has just recorded its lowest goal tally since 2006/07, or it could be spending a f***-tonne of money on Riyad Mahrez, or it could be an acknowledgement that there is at least one member of Wenger’s 32-man first-team squad who is not currently Arsenal-class, if we assume Arsenal have any designs on the title; and no, the sacrificial lamb of Joel Campbell and a Hull loan move for Chuba Akpom is not enough.

Arsenal’s greatest strength this summer – when the three clubs ahead of them in the title betting have all changed their manager – is continuity. There is no bedding-in period, no wholesale change in personnel, no massive shift in footballing style. Yet right now, Arsenal’s greatest strength is looking suspiciously like their biggest weakness. Granit Xhaka is an intelligent signing but nobody at Chelsea, Manchester City or Manchester United is worrying that he is going to turn Arsenal into a different beast; even Mesut Ozil and Alexis Sanchez could not make that change when so much around them remained the same. And absolutely nobody is worried that this is the season Oxlade-Chamberlain ‘gets to the level he can go to’.

Was Jamie Vardy the answer to Arsenal’s problems? Almost definitely not. But at least there would have been an element of intrigue about the upcoming season, a question mark about whether there would be an enforced change of style.

Instead we have at least five Arsenal entrants for any ‘Five players facing a big season’ list. The silliest is that we know failure in that ‘big season’ is unlikely to have any lasting consequences.

http://www.football365.com/news/same-ol ... ld-arsenal

[Kvltman]

A good read.

We can't move on the deadwood because of their inflated wages.

Wenger has always been far too loyal to his players. Where this has sometimes reaped benefits, most of the time it results in the squad remaining a level beneath where it needs to be. We will be stuck with them until their contacts expire.

I had the same hoped mentioned in the article about Oxlade Chamberlain this time last year after his rocket in the community shield. There is a player in there but I don't believe Wenger can ever get the best out of him. The player needs to regain his confidence as well but I think someone like Guardiola could really work wonders with him.

[augie]

Ok Nos89, you tell me which scenario you would want if given the choice -

1. We finish top 4 and qualify for champions league first knockout every season of the next decade

OR

2. We only qualify for champs league 4 times in the next decade, BUT that we also win 3 league titles in that time


If you pick option one then you need to have a real look at yourself and ask yourself what drew you to become an Arsenal fan in the first place.

Augie, pick one scenario

1. Wenger remains manager for next 10 years, we win 3 league titles and 3 champions leagues

OR

2. Wenger leaves and we finish top 4 each season and qualify for last 16 every season for a decade.

I know why I became an Arsenal supporter but we both know that club no longer exists and there is no going back to The Arsenal.

Option 1 would be my choice every day of the week and twice on a Sunday - club will always come first with me and if we have a successful club (or at least a club doing everything it can to be successful), then there would be no need to change manager imo.
Of course the reality is that we don't have a manager or club that is doing all that they can to be success [b]on the pitch[/b], and I absolutely concur with the theory that wenger would not even be successful with this barca team cos he doesn't know enough tactically to set up a successful team these days

[augie]

I have to say also that I am still clinging to the hopes that ox will be a great player for us - I do believe that the talent is there for sure, but like everyone else I also wonder if le cock is going to stifle it out of him and another promising player will fall by the wayside due to sub-standard coaching

[NickF]

I have to say also that I am still clinging to the hopes that ox will be a great player for us - I do believe that the talent is there for sure, but like everyone else I also wonder if le cock is going to stifle it out of him and another promising player will fall by the wayside due to sub-standard coaching

Clinging on to the hope that the Ox (and Walcott) will come good is rather like hoping Wenger will win the league again or the champs league. You would love it to happen but realistically you know they had enough chances and it isn't going to.