Mikel Arteta, success or failure? - Merged thread.

[goonersid]

For the very first time in my lifetime of supporting this club, its very much come on Norwich. I won't watch the game because I couldn't bring myself to cheer for the oppo, so will stay away like today and hope that this game finishes off this mindless experiment

Hoping that before our next meaningful game against AFC Wimbledon that we have a new manager - preferably someone without the cradle marks on their arse still - and fresh hope

I've never seen an Arsenal manager so far out of his depth or so utterly clueless. You can put Don Howe, Stuart Houston, Bruce Rioch, Steve Burtenshaw, Terry Neill and Unai Emery right up in that list.

Should have just kept Freddie on. The bloke is leagues ahead of this utter tool

He wont be there Stevo, he's gone in next few days!

[SteveO 35]

For the very first time in my lifetime of supporting this club, its very much come on Norwich. I won't watch the game because I couldn't bring myself to cheer for the oppo, so will stay away like today and hope that this game finishes off this mindless experiment

Hoping that before our next meaningful game against AFC Wimbledon that we have a new manager - preferably someone without the cradle marks on their arse still - and fresh hope

I've never seen an Arsenal manager so far out of his depth or so utterly clueless. You can put Don Howe, Stuart Houston, Bruce Rioch, Steve Burtenshaw, Terry Neill and Unai Emery right up in that list.

Should have just kept Freddie on. The bloke is leagues ahead of this utter tool

He wont be there Stevo, he's gone in next few days!

They've got to act fast Sid

Two choices - essentially back their man with more cash before the window closes. To my mind this could be the death knell for the club as a Premier League team. He will sign one or two more pieces of dross and still have us playing like 11 strangers...

Or sack him immediately- give a new manager the chance to work with this shitty bunch and back him in January

If its the former, this clown will have us in the bottom three at Christmas

[StuartL]

We are effectively worse than we were 2 years ago !

How ? When some of the deadbeats have been jettisoned and a few decent acquisitions have been made, along with our saviours of Saka and Smith Rowe being more seasoned.

It can only be down to Arteta’s “process: which I have no idea what that actually entails - other than passing backwards

[SteveO 35]

We are effectively worse than we were 2 years ago !

How ? When some of the deadbeats have been jettisoned and a few decent acquisitions have been made, along with our saviours of Saka and Smith Rowe being more seasoned.

It can only be down to Arteta’s “process: which I have no idea what that actually entails - other than passing backwards

Far far worse than we were 2 years ago. I dont think Emery would have taken us out of Europe. With this goon I can't see him even getting us into the top half

The biggest part of the clear out had already been completed. Again - Cazorla, Mertesacker, Wiltshire, Reine Adelaide, Akpom, Perez, Joel Campbell, Cech, Ramsey, Ospina, Welbeck, Asano, Jenkinson, Iwobi, Montreal Koscielny

Add the wages up from that lot- massive. All had to be moved on either through retirement or transfers. All either too injured, too past it, or not good enough. With the exception of poor Santi every single one of those had been targeted by people on here and rightly so.

How anyone could expect better with that needed turnover of players is still beyond me. We aren't City or Chelsea. We can't cast aside those players and replace with 500m of signings

We needed more patience, we panicked and we are now paying the heaviest of prices

[begeegs]

I'd like to see him fired in the next 3 days, but I really don't see it happening. Do you honestly think that the Kroenkes would have contingency plans in place? Hell no. Arteta will get a lot longer in the job, unfortunately.

I'd love to be wrong on this, but I think that Arteta will get a bit more to spend, thus compounding the misery.

The team is overcoached and don't have any idea of what they are supposed to be doing. In addition, although Xhaka was an idiot for doing what he did, I have a little sympathy as he was the only midfielder in the starting eleven. Incredible, if you think about it until you forget that we have had a lot of experiments which were awful in execution - Willian as a false 9 comes to mind.

He really has to go now, if you are a sensible owner. Unfortunately, we have an uninterested owner and an incompetent son.

[rodders999]

Give it Arsene till the end of the season

[xgtdec]

Give it Arsene till the end of the season

Thats not funny. Bold Rodders

[Bob Bayliss]

He has to go now. Give the new guy the benefit of a nice cushy run of fixtures with the exception of Tottenham at home. it's what United did when they brought Ole in three years ago, and it got him off to a flyer.

[Nos89]

It is time for Arteta to go. If the results don't sway the owners, surely the managers behavior towards the opposition players has for me overstep the line. After a humiliating thrashing he was hugging and shaking the hands of the city players. Seriously, how pissed off was he with that result? I would've been straight down the tunnel.

[Gunner Rob]

I think Arteta should have the next 3 matches - and I reckon he needs a minimum of 6 points.

If however we lose to Norwich at home….I am not sure he could survive that.

[wilson2.0]

Two 8th place finishes and this year a top half finish might be a hurdle to high for Arteta. Ive said it before. He isnt a Pep disciple or a graduate of Spain's pass master school. He never played for Spain and was miles away from Fabregas let alone Xavi or Iniesta. He isnt part of that club, he is just an imitator.

Antonio Conte is available right now. And what the club & squad needs is a disciplinarian and tactician, not a false disciple of La Masia trying to play 'beautiful football'.

I also think the players have no faith and respect for Arteta. Conte could do a better job with this group. I dont know why we drag it out and give Arteta more time when he has had two seasons and this previous pre season to prepare. We are worse now than when he took over. We arent moving toward anything, we are going backwards and clubs like West Ham and Everton and joining Leicester City in stamping their authority over us. Its not like they have any right too, we after all have bigger transfer budgets than all three.

We dont owe Arteta sh.. and why anyone who says Arteta 'deserves more time' should be considered an Arsenal saboteur.

[OneBardGooner]

Give it Arsene till the end of the season

Look Rodders! Just FuckOff will you - Yes you occasionally come up with a good(ish) idea and are often very witty, but THAT is not funny - You know very well the kroenkes read the posts on this forum, Please don't give them any foolish ideas.

[OneBardGooner]

Well Red Army has made a very salient but (VERY) Weird statement which has fuckedmybrainsideways - By actually continuing to play Xhaka it will lead to Arteats' demise, so now we ought to be grateful that Xhaka is still playing for us. !!
I mean how fuckedUppity is THAT!???

[Gunner Rob]

Two 8th place finishes and this year a top half finish might be a hurdle to high for Arteta. Ive said it before. He isnt a Pep disciple or a graduate of Spain's pass master school. He never played for Spain and was miles away from Fabregas let alone Xavi or Iniesta. He isnt part of that club, he is just an imitator.

Antonio Conte is available right now. And what the club & squad needs is a disciplinarian and tactician, not a false disciple of La Masia trying to play 'beautiful football'.

I also think the players have no faith and respect for Arteta. Conte could do a better job with this group. I dont know why we drag it out and give Arteta more time when he has had two seasons and this previous pre season to prepare. We are worse now than when he took over. We arent moving toward anything, we are going backwards and clubs like West Ham and Everton and joining Leicester City in stamping their authority over us. Its not like they have any right too, we after all have bigger transfer budgets than all three.

We dont owe Arteta sh.. and why anyone who says Arteta 'deserves more time' should be considered an Arsenal saboteur.

At a normal “big” club of course he would be sacked.
However at a normal “big” club he would not have been appointed in the first place.

That is why I am hesitating - I really don’t see things getting much better if and when Arteta gets sacked.
As a club there appears to be no one capable of making any decent footballing decisions. Until the Kroenke’s go there is very little hope.

[wilson2.0]

Two 8th place finishes and this year a top half finish might be a hurdle to high for Arteta. Ive said it before. He isnt a Pep disciple or a graduate of Spain's pass master school. He never played for Spain and was miles away from Fabregas let alone Xavi or Iniesta. He isnt part of that club, he is just an imitator.

Antonio Conte is available right now. And what the club & squad needs is a disciplinarian and tactician, not a false disciple of La Masia trying to play 'beautiful football'.

I also think the players have no faith and respect for Arteta. Conte could do a better job with this group. I dont know why we drag it out and give Arteta more time when he has had two seasons and this previous pre season to prepare. We are worse now than when he took over. We arent moving toward anything, we are going backwards and clubs like West Ham and Everton and joining Leicester City in stamping their authority over us. Its not like they have any right too, we after all have bigger transfer budgets than all three.

We dont owe Arteta sh.. and why anyone who says Arteta 'deserves more time' should be considered an Arsenal saboteur.

At a normal “big” club of course he would be sacked.
However at a normal “big” club he would not have been appointed in the first place.

That is why I am hesitating - I really don’t see things getting much better if and when Arteta gets sacked.
As a club there appears to be no one capable of making any decent footballing decisions. Until the Kroenke’s go there is very little hope.

A club can run independent of an aloof and distant owner. The Glaziers have been at United since 2003 but Ferguson along with David Gill ran the ship. Im no Kroenke fan but a change of owner will do little. Perhaps you could blame them for putting up with Edu and Arteta and appointing them in the first place. But rest assured the team, player recruitment ect is all being run by Arteta and Edu. They have spent 132m this year and have been entrusted with serious money. In addition to the 132m spent this year, we also have some expensive signings still within the squad. Lacazette, PEA, Pepe, Xhaka, Partey all cost the club serious money (250m). Saliba and Torriera cost the club 50m and will do consecutive seasons out on loan.

I dont think the Liverpool owners are that great, But Klopp is in complete control and this doesn't expose them. If we had a high class manager who had a much higher hit rate in the transfer market, we would be in a better position that we would be with the Spotify guy and Arteta as manager.

We just need a good manager. Wenger final years were shit. Emery has proven to be decent given what Arteta has done to us, but even Emery was suspect, with Arteta himself being utterly useless. The last time we had a great manager, was Wenger in the late 2000's. 07-08 we had a great team and were playing good football and challenged for the title against a great Chelsea and United team. But Wenger performance post that season were horrible. He was in denial regarding our decline and entrusted some absolute lemons.

We haven't had a world class manager in the dugout in 13 years. All we need to do, is appoint one.

Conte would get us in the top 6 if appointed tomorrow