THE WENGER THREAD

[OneBardGooner]

The worst Wenger finance model was the socialist wage structure. His belief in keeping the margins between the lowest earner, and the highest earner as close as possible. He believed that by paying each player relatively similar amounts, it could foster collective responsibility and team harmony. Its how players like Bendtner ended up on 55k a week, Almunia 60k, Squiallci 60k, Diaby 50k, Denilson 50k, Chamahk 60k. And this was before the hyper inflation in the transfer market, so 50-60k week wages was serious money.

The likes of Fabregas, RVP and Nasri were 'only' on 80k a week. So the fact Fabregas was earning almost parity with Almunia was intentional, and not just some miraculous mistake.

This was problematic on two fronts. One, we were stuck with many of the above players for their duration of their contract. Denilson, Squillaci, Bendtner, Diaby, Chamahk, Almunia - every one of them left the club when their contracts expired as we simply couldn't sell them, as no other club would pay them what we were paying them. Two, we also handicapped ourselves when resisting other clubs coming in for our top players. Wenger was so committed to the wage strucutre, that he wouldnt break it and offer money that could have tempted any one of Cesc, Nasri or RVP to stay.

It was a self-imposed wage structure that was disastrous. It wasted money, and trapped the bad players in, and opened the gate for the top players to leave (which is what happened). It was so bad, Wenger actually gave up on it. Given Wenger's stubbornness, for him to give up on one of his plans - it must have been pure rubbish to begin with.



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These are very good and important points you made there, especially your comment about the outcome of his wage policy. I have also thought about this a lot and I agree that it was more about wenkers wage policy than financial hindrances why we lost basically all our "star" players and got stuck with dross. Austerity times my ass.

Christ's sake lads, keep up - we've been talking about that for at least 5 or 6 years on here!

Uhmmmm! Excuse me DB but can you please not take the name of thy lord thy God in vain. Thanks.










































































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Bet I had ya going there for the briefest of moments !?


No seriously though you'd best not or he might get Cross with you.

[Nos89]

I wonder if this thread can get to 2000 pages before Wenger relinquishes his position at the end of the season?

[Sean]

On DB10's point that we already know about the sheer financial wastage and idiocy going on at the club - It's only become really obvious in the past few years that we pretty much had money all along. Surprisingly, there's been no rioting at Cashburton on the issue though It must be the 'frog in a boiling pot' scenario. That and the AKB suppressing dissent

As I said on p1763 ( ) the austerity has been proven to be a lie. Which makes TOF's penny-pinching, not-quite-good-enough signings all the more infuriating, particularly the striker situation. We really can buy almost anyone now. The failed Project Youth wasn't really necessary either.

I wonder if this thread can get to 2000 pages before Wenger relinquishes his position at the end of the season?

We'll easily get to page 2000 before the end of the season. 233 pages to go. If you go back 233 pages, you only go back to the middle of April (p1534). We've more than doubled the thread since the last extension (p720).

I seriously doubt TOF will be going anywhere. It's 267 days until a last-day renewal

[Henry Norris 1913]

this makes it all the more sweeter when the "wenger has fucked off" thread is made

oh what a night

[Rush]

You sure Wenger will go Dont start the party just yet until we sure a contract extension not in the works... need to wait til after our Feb slide to know for sure

[Redarmy]

Sorry to burst your bubble guys...BUT saying here that Wenger will not go at the end of this season

Likely story is he will remain in an "advisory role" and you can bet that will still on a massive salary

[DB10GOONER]

On DB10's point that we already know about the sheer financial wastage and idiocy going on at the club - It's only become really obvious in the past few years that we pretty much had money all along.

Honestly, 5 or 6 years ago, probably even longer tbh - we were moaning on here about the huge wages wasted on shit like Denilson and Song etc. Check the threads.

[TeeCee]

Remember when Kr$nky said Wonga had a job for life? Don't expect to see Wonga leaving until he pops his clogs. At best we will see Wonga go upstairs and a new manager PICKED by Wonga come in, and of course full transfer control will be down to Wonga so NOTHING is going to change for 20 odd years at Arsenal....unless Kr$nky sells at some point.

[DB10GOONER]

Remember when Kr$nky said Wonga had a job for life? Don't expect to see Wonga leaving until he pops his clogs. At best we will see Wonga go upstairs and a new manager PICKED by Wonga come in, and of course full transfer control will be down to Wonga so NOTHING is going to change for 20 odd years at Arsenal....unless Kr$nky sells at some point.

This is EXACTLY what will happen. In May 2025.

Anyone that thinks Wenger will walk away from Project Ego is deluding themselves.

[supergeorgegraham]

And even now, he refuses to move with the times in terms of inflation and the new value of players. How is spending 100m on Pogba a risk when his value is only going to go up given current trends in player prices?

So why does everyone still refer to Wenger as an economic expert? He is late to the game in terms of picking trends, has horrible policies, and is forever playing catch up.

Basically, it's down to lazy journalism. Back in the 90's someone mentioned his diploma or whatever it was in Economics, then he had a nice result turning the Anelka spend into a huge windfall for Arsenal and bango - he's an economic genius! Add to that the fact that most journalists in football are not that bright, are fairly l, fall back on all the old cliches, and you get a self-propagating myth...

United signed Pogba for 100 Million from their 800 Million adidas shirt deal. They have also wasted some of it on bad signings but when you manage to secure such a deal you are running your club through you own finances like us and unlike Chelsea and City although Abramovich has slowed down his financing in the last few years.

Sorry - what's that got to do with the Wenger "economic genius" myth?

I was referring to the quotes about 100 Million being a risk for Pogba signing. I think Wenger is very clever at making money and losing it.
We have signed average players and massively overpaid them and some of our sponsorship deals have not been great.

[Ed Hunter The Gooner]

Remember when Kr$nky said Wonga had a job for life? Don't expect to see Wonga leaving until he pops his clogs. At best we will see Wonga go upstairs and a new manager PICKED by Wonga come in, and of course full transfer control will be down to Wonga so NOTHING is going to change for 20 odd years at Arsenal....unless Kr$nky sells at some point.

Add to this all the talk about wenker being afraid of life after football and how he doesn't have anything in his life outside Arsenal. The guy's here for life I'm afraid.

[Wilson]

Rumours of Eddie Howe being lined up as a possible replacement. Seems like the club want someone who will be overawed by the job, to the point they are happy just to be here, and wont look to push the club to new territory by signing top class players that would cost serious money.

I also wouldnt put it past Wenger to handpick someone not up to the job, in order to make him look good by comparison. Make no mistake about it, Wenger would love his own David Moyes.

[Redarmy]

Remember when Kr$nky said Wonga had a job for life? Don't expect to see Wonga leaving until he pops his clogs. At best we will see Wonga go upstairs and a new manager PICKED by Wonga come in, and of course full transfer control will be down to Wonga so NOTHING is going to change for 20 odd years at Arsenal....unless Kr$nky sells at some point.

This is EXACTLY what will happen. In May 2025.

Anyone that thinks Wenger will walk away from Project Ego is deluding themselves.

Wenger decides WHEN or IF he leaves, who takes over and at the very least will remain at the Club in an upstairs capacity

No doubt he won't pick a strong willed manager to replace him...........

[Redarmy]

Remember when Kr$nky said Wonga had a job for life? Don't expect to see Wonga leaving until he pops his clogs. At best we will see Wonga go upstairs and a new manager PICKED by Wonga come in, and of course full transfer control will be down to Wonga so NOTHING is going to change for 20 odd years at Arsenal....unless Kr$nky sells at some point.

Add to this all the talk about wenker being afraid of life after football and how he doesn't have anything in his life outside Arsenal. The guy's here for life I'm afraid.

and the £9 MILLION a year he will be missing, poor guy needs that for his retirement plan

[Redarmy]

Rumours of Eddie Howe being lined up as a possible replacement. Seems like the club want someone who will be overawed by the job, to the point they are happy just to be here, and wont look to push the club to new territory by signing top class players that would cost serious money.

I also wouldnt put it past Wenger to handpick someone not up to the job, in order to make him look good by comparison. Make no mistake about it, Wenger would love his own David Moyes.

Wenger decides who takes over