Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:59 pm
[quote="Arsenal 1991"][quote="Its Up 4 Grabs Now"]Steveo, if it’s not a Wenger-out campaign, what is the group’s plan if Wenger/the board don’t invest in “quality playersâ€
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:59 pm
[quote="Its Up 4 Grabs Now"]Steveo, if it’s not a Wenger-out campaign, what is the group’s plan if Wenger/the board don’t invest in “quality playersâ€
Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:02 pm
[quote="Its Up 4 Grabs Now"]Steveo, if it’s not a Wenger-out campaign, what is the group’s plan if Wenger/the board don’t invest in “quality playersâ€
Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:02 pm
[quote="marcengels"][quote="Its Up 4 Grabs Now"]Steveo, if it’s not a Wenger-out campaign, what is the group’s plan if Wenger/the board don’t invest in “quality playersâ€
Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:07 pm
1.) To encourage the club to visibly invest in quality players, (who reflect the high ticket prices paid?), to allow Arsenal to compete for the major club competition trophies domestically and in Europe.
1.) To encourage the club to reinvest the very high and still increasing ticket prices in the playing squad so that it is of a standard that reflects this. Please someone edit but this is what I mean.
2.) To seek clarity over the club's youth policy, with particular regard to the policy of rewarding young players with pay increases and long term contracts based on little or no merit, that have increased the club's annual wage bill yet not resulted in trophies.
3.) To understand the PLC's longer term vision and strategy. As supporters we have clear goals and ambitions, measured by winning trophies. As an organisation involved in various business sectors, but whose principle activity is a football club, we believe that this should also be the clear and measured objective of the PLC.
I've embolden the bits I've changed/added, feedback?
1.) To encourage the club to reinvest the very high and still increasing ticket prices in the playing squad so that it is of a standard that reflects this. Please someone edit but this is what I mean.
2.) To seek clarity over the club's youth policy, with particular regard to the policy of rewarding young players with pay increases and long term contracts based on little or no merit, that have increased the club's annual wage bill yet not resulted in trophies.
3.) To understand the PLC's longer term vision and strategy. As supporters we have clear goals and ambitions, measured by winning trophies. As an organisation involved in various business sectors, but whose principle activity is a football club, we believe that this should also be the clear and measured objective of the PLC.
I've embolden the bits I've changed/added, feedback?
Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:12 pm
[quote="SteveO 35"][quote="Its Up 4 Grabs Now"]Steveo, if it’s not a Wenger-out campaign, what is the group’s plan if Wenger/the board don’t invest in “quality playersâ€
Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:14 pm
You need to remove "based on little or no merit". That is a subjective point and reads like an outburst. I would also quantify that the club's annual wage budget has increased by £8m per annum based upon their latest set of accounts.Arsenal 1991 wrote:1.) To encourage the club to visibly invest in quality players, (who reflect the high ticket prices paid?), to allow Arsenal to compete for the major club competition trophies domestically and in Europe.
1.) To encourage the club to reinvest the very high and still increasing ticket prices in the playing squad so that it is of a standard that reflects this. Please someone edit but this is what I mean.
2.) To seek clarity over the club's youth policy, with particular regard to the policy of rewarding young players with pay increases and long term contracts based on little or no merit, that have increased the club's annual wage bill yet not resulted in trophies.
3.) To understand the PLC's longer term vision and strategy. As supporters we have clear goals and ambitions, measured by winning trophies. As an organisation involved in various business sectors, but whose principle activity is a football club, we believe that this should also be the clear and measured objective of the PLC.
I've embolden the bits I've changed/added, feedback?
Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:16 pm
Arsenal 1991 wrote:Good point by Bob on the .com forum:
Good post in my opinion, and deserving of respect. As with any broad church movement, there will be differences of opinion about some fundamental issues including whether AW should stay or go. But this doesn't necessarily mean there isn't a future in a protest movement. There is, I think, a significant consensus of opinion among a large body of our supporters on the following points:
1. Arsenal are not in a position to win major trophies, and are not likely to be in the foreseeable future
2. The manager's strategy of spending very little (relative to other top premiership teams) in the transfer market has left us short of quality and depth
3. The Board seem content with the status quo - they are not holding the manager to account for the lack of success. They also seem to be working on the assumption that supporters will be content to pay more for season tickets next season, despite (1) and (2) above.
This agenda seems to be a reasonable starting point for a new group to develop its thinking and radical change in the direction of the Club. Whether the existing manager is the right man to drive the changes we need is up for discussion (I would argue strongly that he is part of the problem, so can't be part of the solution).
Excellent post 1991. I think it sums things up very nicely about what is going on and what we are trying to achieve ultimately.
Whether the Board is indulging the manager's whims by letting him pursue some quixotic mission or making the manager's job more difficult by setting poor financial policies is secondary - both situations need have the same negative affects and each would need to be corrected and sooner rather than later.
The only caveat would be the last line - I would only say it depends on whether the problems originate with the Manager himself or not. If the policies originated lesewhere and are changed elsewhere there is no reason to conclude things would not then change as we hope under the current manager. But as I say that one caveat hinges on who is actually setting those policies we object to.
Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:18 pm
[quote="Its Up 4 Grabs Now"][quote="SteveO 35"][quote="Its Up 4 Grabs Now"]Steveo, if it’s not a Wenger-out campaign, what is the group’s plan if Wenger/the board don’t invest in “quality playersâ€
Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:19 pm
To seek clarity over the club's youth policy, with particular regard to the policy of rewarding young players with pay increases and long term contracts, that have increased the club's annual wage bill by £8 million, yet not resulted in trophies.SteveO 35 wrote:You need to remove "based on little or no merit". That is a subjective point and reads like an outburst. I would also quantify that the club's annual wage budget has increased by £8m per annum based upon their latest set of accounts.Arsenal 1991 wrote:1.) To encourage the club to visibly invest in quality players, (who reflect the high ticket prices paid?), to allow Arsenal to compete for the major club competition trophies domestically and in Europe.
1.) To encourage the club to reinvest the very high and still increasing ticket prices in the playing squad so that it is of a standard that reflects this. Please someone edit but this is what I mean.
2.) To seek clarity over the club's youth policy, with particular regard to the policy of rewarding young players with pay increases and long term contracts based on little or no merit, that have increased the club's annual wage bill yet not resulted in trophies.
3.) To understand the PLC's longer term vision and strategy. As supporters we have clear goals and ambitions, measured by winning trophies. As an organisation involved in various business sectors, but whose principle activity is a football club, we believe that this should also be the clear and measured objective of the PLC.
I've embolden the bits I've changed/added, feedback?
Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:23 pm
And the reason that caveat is there 1991 is because agaiin successs won't come from pushing the manager out if there are no tangible changes in the investment poilicies under any replacement, there will be no changes our performance on the pitch(not for the better anyway) and we will have acheived nothing.
But again 1991 I think but for that one line you really spoke very very well for this group and its aims in that post.
But again 1991 I think but for that one line you really spoke very very well for this group and its aims in that post.
Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:23 pm
1.) To encourage the club to reinvest the very high and still increasing ticket prices in the playing squad so that it is of a standard that reflects this. Please someone edit but this is what I mean.
2.) To seek clarity over the club's youth policy, with particular regard to the policy of rewarding young players with pay increases and long term contracts, that have increased the club's annual wage bill by £8 million, yet not resulted in trophies.
3.) To understand the PLC's longer term vision and strategy. As supporters we have clear goals and ambitions, measured by winning trophies. As an organisation involved in various business sectors, but whose principle activity is a football club, we believe that this should also be the clear and measured objective of the PLC.
Thoughts?
2.) To seek clarity over the club's youth policy, with particular regard to the policy of rewarding young players with pay increases and long term contracts, that have increased the club's annual wage bill by £8 million, yet not resulted in trophies.
3.) To understand the PLC's longer term vision and strategy. As supporters we have clear goals and ambitions, measured by winning trophies. As an organisation involved in various business sectors, but whose principle activity is a football club, we believe that this should also be the clear and measured objective of the PLC.
Thoughts?
Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:26 pm
Fair enough, cant argue with that at all. For what it's worth, not sure if you're aware but according to the AST, Gazidis has agreed to an open meeting at the end of the season & will, apparently, answer all questions - non-vetted unlike the AGM as far as I can tell. Whatever direction this protest goes in, might be an idea, if someone involved is a member of the AST, to put some of these questions directly to him - as well as, not instead of, the protest itself. And/or the protest group could join as a member (collectively) & nominate someone from the committee to ask the questions on the group's behalf. Just my 2-pennies worth.SteveO 35 wrote:Sorry about the tone; I'd already replied before you clarified the point about what you meant by a 'plan'. I can't speak for everyone but I will help in any way I can to at least get our feelings recognised by the club....but I'm not a militant. I won't stop going to games and spending my money, as it's a big part of mine (and my wife and kids') lives and we enjoy it.
I just want clarification on the 3 points that have been raised; that's all. What do i expect ? A standard reply from Gazidis or one of his extended commercial team.....
Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:28 pm
Anyone involved in fanshare? I've got one so far. Interesting concept.
Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:29 pm
I think there should be some sort of statement about the wage structure and the fact that intended or otherwise the new wage structures discourages the pursuit of superior players from other clubs.
I am working on somthing myself. Something Starting with "we are concerned that the current wage structure impedes our ability to pursue players of proven quality and talent, and the over-payment of under-proven and under-productive players is impeding our ability to correct this....
Thoughts?
I am working on somthing myself. Something Starting with "we are concerned that the current wage structure impedes our ability to pursue players of proven quality and talent, and the over-payment of under-proven and under-productive players is impeding our ability to correct this....
Thoughts?