QPR match thread

[arseofacrow]

And what adds insult to injury is that the lack-luster performance was on the back of these pre-match comments from the manager: "I see us fighting like mad on Saturday to win the game. That's all I see, I don't see further. We are focused on QPR, believe me." Obvious not done his job properly, yet again!!

IHH, you and I both know, that the quicker we get Abou Diaby back fit and in the side the better. The passing was so laboured and mechanical on Saturday that it was crying out for that touch of class that others just don't have.

I have a strong feeling that Abou is going to come back and rescue this season and there will be a long queue for the humble pie counter on this forum....

another steveo classic...

[goonersid]

Did you read what he said when asked his thinking on playing Ramsey left? Because I thought I'd play him on the left!!

I did, and immediately thought "you arrogant prick" but then remembered that pride comes before a fall. Wenger's arrogance will be his undoing, don't be surprised to see more baffling team selections over the coming weeks and Basil Fawlty touchline impressions before too long.

[Red Member]

How about the credit Wenger deserves for getting this team up to 3rd place with 7 games to go?

if the players/management are so bad then how are we still above Spurs "greatest team in 50 years" a Liverpool team which were expected to be title contenders after spending £100 million, and of course Chelsea who have never been out of the top 4 since the russian started spending money

very easy to criticise but maybe harder to face up to the reality sometimes

[richpye]

How about the credit Wenger deserves for getting this team up to 3rd place with 7 games to go?

if the players/management are so bad then how are we still above Spurs "greatest team in 50 years" a Liverpool team which were expected to be title contenders after spending £100 million, and of course Chelsea who have never been out of the top 4 since the russian started spending money

very easy to criticise but maybe harder to face up to the reality sometimes

Red, the simple reality is for me, we have a decent 11 players. The problem is when we go one level below these players and we get to some right tripe very quickly.
This links in to our run of form as well.

Poor at start of season when we had a lot of injuries
Average in the run-up to Christmas when we had a few less injuries
Great when most of our injury worries had subsided again

But now this 1st XI, whilst not injured, are showing signs of being absolutely knackered.
Someone will correct me, cos I'm certain this isn't correct but I seem to remember having I think Bergkamp and Anelka up front, with Kanu and Suker on the bench (Not 100% on these names but it won't be far off).
I don't expect to have £30-£40 million pound players swanning around our subs bench, but I do expect Champions League quality players and we simply don't have it

[mikeyb772001]

How about the credit Wenger deserves for getting this team up to 3rd place with 7 games to go?

if the players/management are so bad then how are we still above Spurs "greatest team in 50 years" a Liverpool team which were expected to be title contenders after spending £100 million, and of course Chelsea who have never been out of the top 4 since the russian started spending money

very easy to criticise but maybe harder to face up to the reality sometimes

The reality is we shouldn’t be in that position. Wenger is victim of his own success.

The reality is we could win the league or be right at the top all season with this current team and without spending big money. This is down to wenger i agree. But sadly the only person stopping this is Wenger!

Sadly Arsene is arrogant and shouldn’t of fucked about and given up opportunity after opportunity over the last 6 years. How frustrating it is to know that we could go on and be real contenders if only he changed his ways slightly.

Defensive coaching
Employ a real captain in the team (finally)
Show the youngsters what it really means to be arsenal (well RVP did that)
Motivation and team talks (RVP)
Get a new number 2 that will challenge him
Look at new tactics
Transfer activity…..
Faith is average players

The list is endless and all it costs nothing to change. Even as the fools biggest critic even I can see if he made these changes and stopped fucking about we could go on and compete!!!


Other teams spend 100’s of millions whereas we don’t need too.

So no wenger doesn’t deserve any credit for winning 7 games in a row as we all know sooner than later he will break that good work and once ago be a victim of his own arrogance and stubbornness. Showing faith in players out of form and putting players out of position keep costing us and I don’t get why he does it?

. Maybe if he acted like a true manager rather than a blinkered father figure with rose tinted fifa 2102 ps3 glasses on, this team could be pushing for 1st rather than losing out on 3rd again.

He is a fool with some of his choices and these choices is what stops us, not money and not modern football. Just wengers stubbornness and irrational decisions.

[Red Member]

ok some good points made here

defensive coaching - I agree with this although they must practice a bit in training surely
employ a real captain - RVP is doing a good job
show the youngsters what it means - even you say that this has been done
motivation and team talks - and again not sure what you are arguing about now
get a number 2 - yes pat rice looks a bit old now - get in bould
new tactics - hmm maybe but he does ok mostly
transfer activity - already has prince poldi lined up apparently
faith is average players - not sure what you mean. ok some are better than others but how many slated Koscielny last season - now the majority think he is the MVP number 2

[the moog]

ok some good points made here

defensive coaching - I agree with this although they must practice a bit in training surely the defense is crap
employ a real captain - RVP is doing a good job agreed
show the youngsters what it means - even you say that this has been done all the squad should be
motivation and team talks - and again not sure what you are arguing about now
get a number 2 - yes pat rice looks a bit old now - get in bould get in anyone who AW will listen to
new tactics - hmm maybe but he does ok mostly no he's a disaster
transfer activity - already has prince poldi lined up apparently six years of neglect, which is a disgrace
faith is average players - not sure what you mean. ok some are better than others but how many slated Koscielny last season - now the majority think he is the MVP number 2 sorry then you have clearly not been following Arsenal for the past 7 years

[mikeyb772001]

ok some good points made here

defensive coaching - I agree with this although they must practice a bit in training surely
employ a real captain - RVP is doing a good job
show the youngsters what it means - even you say that this has been done
motivation and team talks - and again not sure what you are arguing about now
get a number 2 - yes pat rice looks a bit old now - get in bould
new tactics - hmm maybe but he does ok mostly
transfer activity - already has prince poldi lined up apparently
faith is average players - not sure what you mean. ok some are better than others but how many slated Koscielny last season - now the majority think he is the MVP number 2

My point in simple terms RED

Wenger is a good manager that is a victim of his own success.

He is 85% there of being a GREAT AGAIN.

The remaining 15% is down to his own stubbornness to change. Not anything to do with money.


RVP has been the biggest key this season. Not only his goals but his attitude

[mcdowell42]

Heres an interesting article about the game on sat and in particularly talking about vermalen.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog ... ark-hughes

[augie]

Heres an interesting article about the game on sat and in particularly talking about vermalen.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog ... ark-hughes

For my mind tv5 had a 'mare on sat but it wasnt cos he was caught too far forward - imo zamora swatted him away like he was but a fly and for a guy that has built his rep on being an agressive passionate and physical defender this doesnt bode well. It is very easy in european leagues to push the smaller centre forwards about but in engerland it is a more physical league and each time that he gets turned over by a zamora the more tactically astute opposition managers will take note and attempt to exploit that weakness

[SteveO 35]

Heres an interesting article about the game on sat and in particularly talking about vermalen.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog ... ark-hughes

For my mind tv5 had a 'mare on sat but it wasnt cos he was caught too far forward - imo zamora swatted him away like he was but a fly and for a guy that has built his rep on being an agressive passionate and physical defender this doesnt bode well. It is very easy in european leagues to push the smaller centre forwards about but in engerland it is a more physical league and each time that he gets turned over by a zamora the more tactically astute opposition managers will take note and attempt to exploit that weakness

A point made times many by most of us that have seen us come unstuck at Blackburn, Bolton, Stoke, Fulham etc on numerous occasions in the past few years. I made the point several times that if were going to be competitive both in the PL and CL we needed to consider buying a more physically imposing centre half specifically able to cope with the PL games like this latest one; not neccesarily the world's most gifted player but someone in the Chris Samba mould that would stop the sort of flyweight goals we concede at these places.

This is exactly where we missed the boat with Mertesacker - he might be tall, but he is shit in the air and knocked around too easily. For all the plaudits coming Koscielny and TV5's way, the real test will not be how they defend against the Tevez's and Aguero's of this world, but the Fuller/Kenwyne Jones/Crouch/Walters types at Stoke, Kevin Davies, Bobby Zamora etc. Zamora has bullied us into two defeats this season - how costly will that prove ?

[mikeyb772001]

Heres an interesting article about the game on sat and in particularly talking about vermalen.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog ... ark-hughes

For my mind tv5 had a 'mare on sat but it wasnt cos he was caught too far forward - imo zamora swatted him away like he was but a fly and for a guy that has built his rep on being an agressive passionate and physical defender this doesnt bode well. It is very easy in european leagues to push the smaller centre forwards about but in engerland it is a more physical league and each time that he gets turned over by a zamora the more tactically astute opposition managers will take note and attempt to exploit that weakness

A point made times many by most of us that have seen us come unstuck at Blackburn, Bolton, Stoke, Fulham etc on numerous occasions in the past few years. I made the point several times that if were going to be competitive both in the PL and CL we needed to consider buying a more physically imposing centre half specifically able to cope with the PL games like this latest one; not neccesarily the world's most gifted player but someone in the Chris Samba mould that would stop the sort of flyweight goals we concede at these places.

This is exactly where we missed the boat with Mertesacker - he might be tall, but he is shit in the air and knocked around too easily. For all the plaudits coming Koscielny and TV5's way, the real test will not be how they defend against the Tevez's and Aguero's of this world, but the Fuller/Kenwyne Jones/Crouch/Walters types at Stoke, Kevin Davies, Bobby Zamora etc. Zamora has bullied us into two defeats this season - how costly will that prove ?

I agree we need a more physical CM or DM

However. The reason we come unstuck at Blackburn and QPR and teams alike on a regular occasion is arrogance, bad tactics and general effort.

We have shown we can close teams down and beat the best around when we put the effort in but rarely do this against smaller teams.

How often do we see us defend as a team and chase the ball back every time we lose it against smaller teams? We don’t kill off games either when clearly we have the chance. Again this is down to effort and tactics set from the top down.

Lets look at the run of games we had. Scum home , Milan Home we played the old Arsenal way. Villa just sat back and did nothing so not counting that.

We play the same way against Scum 2nd half and Milan then we would go out and beat any team.

Sadly the great man wont send his team out to do that every game. Just when he feels like it

[LDB]

We play the same way against Scum 2nd half and Milan then we would go out and beat any team.

Sadly the great man wont send his team out to do that every game. Just when he feels like it

I first suspected that we were going to balls up on saturday when i read the wenger quote "we're back playing the kind of football we want to play". It is to Wenger's credit that whenever our form is in the toilet he gets the team back to basics, gets players into the opposition box and has us constantly looking to play the ball forward and get in behind teams. However his prefered playing style seems to be the slow, boring faux tiki-taka that we saw on Saturday so as soon confidence returns he reverts to this style ignoring the fact that our best results have never come playing this way.

he has truly forgotten what made him great. Stubborn, arrogant man

[mikeyb772001]

We play the same way against Scum 2nd half and Milan then we would go out and beat any team.

Sadly the great man wont send his team out to do that every game. Just when he feels like it

I first suspected that we were going to balls up on saturday when i read the wenger quote "we're back playing the kind of football we want to play". It is to Wenger's credit that whenever our form is in the toilet he gets the team back to basics, gets players into the opposition box and has us constantly looking to play the ball forward and get in behind teams. However his prefered playing style seems to be the slow, boring faux tiki-taka that we saw on Saturday so as soon confidence returns he reverts to this style ignoring the fact that our best results have never come playing this way.

he has truly forgotten what made him great. Stubborn, arrogant man

Exactly right.

I suspect against Citeh we will close the game down, chase balls, give 100% effort at all times. The defence will be more solid and the team will be vocal on the pitch.

Against Wigan we will play tippy tappy wankshite again and be lucky to win by 1 goal

[SteveO 35]

We play the same way against Scum 2nd half and Milan then we would go out and beat any team.

Sadly the great man wont send his team out to do that every game. Just when he feels like it

I first suspected that we were going to balls up on saturday when i read the wenger quote "we're back playing the kind of football we want to play". It is to Wenger's credit that whenever our form is in the toilet he gets the team back to basics, gets players into the opposition box and has us constantly looking to play the ball forward and get in behind teams. However his prefered playing style seems to be the slow, boring faux tiki-taka that we saw on Saturday so as soon confidence returns he reverts to this style ignoring the fact that our best results have never come playing this way.

he has truly forgotten what made him great. Stubborn, arrogant man

Exactly right.

I suspect against Citeh we will close the game down, chase balls, give 100% effort at all times. The defence will be more solid and the team will be vocal on the pitch.

Against Wigan we will play tippy tappy wankshite again and be lucky to win by 1 goal

Not to mention Stoke away where we'll dominate possession without barely registering a shot on goal before losing and blaming everything on 'not enough protection from referees'