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augie wrote:...I know that there are varying degree's of wrong but the bottom line for me is that flamoney was still wrong to go to a club where he was only going to be a bench warmer just cos he was offered more money there, when he could have gone to a club on the next level down and earned less but become a key player....
So is your real beef the fact that Flamini didn't make the most of his 'career opportunities'?
Yes and no - in the main I didn't give a fcuk that he left cos back then he wasn't all that and certainly wasn't at the standard we were used to at that time but I do have a real issue with him leaving us to go and sit on milans bench for 4 years. If he had of gone to a different club and been a regular starter then he could have justified his leaving on the basis of not feeling appreciated by our club, but by going to Milan he sent out a big indicator that money, not his developing career, was his motivation and I despise all the money grabbing c***s that are rife in our game today
Of course he wasnt up to the standard of Vieira Petit and Gilberto all world cup winners but look at the shite that replaced Flamini Denilson Diaby and Song you tell me Flamini isnt a vast improvement on those Three Stooges.No one is saying Flamini is a world beater but neither was Parlour.And Cesc had his best season playing alongside him
Flamini left Arsenal because he wasnt wanted we tried to flog him to Birmingham FFS so he ran out his contract like every player is allowed to do (Sol anyone?).He didnt tout himself like Cole Helb and Greedybayor
I really dont know what your problem is augie we paid nothing for him twice.He is not an Arshavin a Gervinho a Santos who we actually paid big money for
Again donaldo, my problem is that he left a club where he was beginning to make a name for himself and instead he chose to sit on his arse for 4 years in Milan cos they were paying him more money What grates on me isn't that he chose to leave, but rather that his motivation for that choice was financial - I have said that a zillion times already on this thread but yet I still am asked to explain my stance I am sick of mercenary b*stards like greedybayor, little lesbo and this fcuker representing my club - everywhere he has been he has fcuked over his employers in search of the next bigger paycheck and if a big offer came in for him next summer he would drop us all over again and don't think otherwise. He def brings something to the table that we need (although for me he shouldn't be classed as good enough to play DM at a club of our size and resources) but I will never be happy that he has been signed again
augie wrote:...I know that there are varying degree's of wrong but the bottom line for me is that flamoney was still wrong to go to a club where he was only going to be a bench warmer just cos he was offered more money there, when he could have gone to a club on the next level down and earned less but become a key player....
So is your real beef the fact that Flamini didn't make the most of his 'career opportunities'?
Yes and no - in the main I didn't give a fcuk that he left cos back then he wasn't all that and certainly wasn't at the standard we were used to at that time but I do have a real issue with him leaving us to go and sit on milans bench for 4 years. If he had of gone to a different club and been a regular starter then he could have justified his leaving on the basis of not feeling appreciated by our club, but by going to Milan he sent out a big indicator that money, not his developing career, was his motivation and I despise all the money grabbing c***s that are rife in our game today
Of course he wasnt up to the standard of Vieira Petit and Gilberto all world cup winners but look at the shite that replaced Flamini Denilson Diaby and Song you tell me Flamini isnt a vast improvement on those Three Stooges.No one is saying Flamini is a world beater but neither was Parlour.And Cesc had his best season playing alongside him
Flamini left Arsenal because he wasnt wanted we tried to flog him to Birmingham FFS so he ran out his contract like every player is allowed to do (Sol anyone?).He didnt tout himself like Cole Helb and Greedybayor
I really dont know what your problem is augie we paid nothing for him twice.He is not an Arshavin a Gervinho a Santos who we actually paid big money for
Again donaldo, my problem is that he left a club where he was beginning to make a name for himself and instead he chose to sit on his arse for 4 years in Milan cos they were paying him more money What grates on me isn't that he chose to leave, but rather that his motivation for that choice was financial - I have said that a zillion times already on this thread but yet I still am asked to explain my stance I am sick of mercenary b*stards like greedybayor, little lesbo and this fcuker representing my club - everywhere he has been he has fcuked over his employers in search of the next bigger paycheck and if a big offer came in for him next summer he would drop us all over again and don't think otherwise. He def brings something to the table that we need (although for me he shouldn't be classed as good enough to play DM at a club of our size and resources) but I will never be happy that he has been signed again
augie wrote:...I know that there are varying degree's of wrong but the bottom line for me is that flamoney was still wrong to go to a club where he was only going to be a bench warmer just cos he was offered more money there, when he could have gone to a club on the next level down and earned less but become a key player....
So is your real beef the fact that Flamini didn't make the most of his 'career opportunities'?
Yes and no - in the main I didn't give a fcuk that he left cos back then he wasn't all that and certainly wasn't at the standard we were used to at that time but I do have a real issue with him leaving us to go and sit on milans bench for 4 years. If he had of gone to a different club and been a regular starter then he could have justified his leaving on the basis of not feeling appreciated by our club, but by going to Milan he sent out a big indicator that money, not his developing career, was his motivation and I despise all the money grabbing c***s that are rife in our game today
Of course he wasnt up to the standard of Vieira Petit and Gilberto all world cup winners but look at the shite that replaced Flamini Denilson Diaby and Song you tell me Flamini isnt a vast improvement on those Three Stooges.No one is saying Flamini is a world beater but neither was Parlour.And Cesc had his best season playing alongside him
Flamini left Arsenal because he wasnt wanted we tried to flog him to Birmingham FFS so he ran out his contract like every player is allowed to do (Sol anyone?).He didnt tout himself like Cole Helb and Greedybayor
I really dont know what your problem is augie we paid nothing for him twice.He is not an Arshavin a Gervinho a Santos who we actually paid big money for
Again donaldo, my problem is that he left a club where he was beginning to make a name for himself and instead he chose to sit on his arse for 4 years in Milan cos they were paying him more money What grates on me isn't that he chose to leave, but rather that his motivation for that choice was financial - I have said that a zillion times already on this thread but yet I still am asked to explain my stance I am sick of mercenary b*stards like greedybayor, little lesbo and this fcuker representing my club - everywhere he has been he has fcuked over his employers in search of the next bigger paycheck and if a big offer came in for him next summer he would drop us all over again and don't think otherwise. He def brings something to the table that we need (although for me he shouldn't be classed as good enough to play DM at a club of our size and resources) but I will never be happy that he has been signed again
I dont think sitting on the bench was one of the criteria flamster was looking for when he moved to AC Milan it just happened that way same as when Owen moved to Real Madrid and the same as monkey boy is now finding out.this isn't the 1970',you don't get Charlie Georges anymore,the players aren't Arsenal supporters,they are simply doing their jobs,same job more money its a no brainer,Flamini didn't know he'd be sitting on the bench as a bit part player did he same as I don't know what the result of the next years grand national will be
Even if Bale did end up sitting on the bench a lot of the time at Madrid (which he won't really) I think there is a slight difference between moving from Spurs to Madrid than from moving from us to Milan in 2008.
northbank123 wrote:Even if Bale did end up sitting on the bench a lot of the time at Madrid (which he won't really) I think there is a slight difference between moving from Spurs to Madrid than from moving from us to Milan in 2008.
Read a stat recently that in the last 34 games Flamini started for us (including his first spell at the club) we've only lost once, away to Chelsea in March 2008!
People really should move on .
I know a lot about his leaving and it was a major fuck up by edelman which led eventually to edelmans departure.
In those days he had resposibility for the wage negotiations .
Flamini asked for parity with Hleb who was on abt 80 k a week and they offerred him 45 k take it or leave it .
He tried to get Edelman into talks but Edelman rebuffed him time and time again .
When January came Milan offerred him 80 a week ,he went back to Arsenal and told them of the offer but edelman wouldnt budge an inch, he then went back yet another time to say he woulde accept 65 k which again was rebuffed by Edelman. Wenger then asks Edelman wtf is going on and when informed of the position he went beserk and told him to pay him 65 toute suite ..............edelman then goes back to flamin's agent offerring him 60 not 65 but by that time Flamini had signed the pre contract with Milan.
I ask any of u ,have u ever or would you turn down a job offer at nearly twice the wage u were getting ............I thought not !
Herd wrote:People really should move on .
I know a lot about his leaving and it was a major fuck up by edelman which led eventually to edelmans departure.
In those days he had resposibility for the wage negotiations . Flamini asked for parity with Hleb who was on abt 80 k a week and they offerred him 45 k take it or leave it .
He tried to get Edelman into talks but Edelman rebuffed him time and time again .
When January came Milan offerred him 80 a week ,he went back to Arsenal and told them of the offer but edelman wouldnt budge an inch, he then went back yet another time to say he woulde accept 65 k which again was rebuffed by Edelman. Wenger then asks Edelman wtf is going on and when informed of the position he went beserk and told him to pay him 65 toute suite ..............edelman then goes back to flamin's agent offerring him 60 not 65 but by that time Flamini had signed the pre contract with Milan.
I ask any of u ,have u ever or would you turn down a job offer at nearly twice the wage u were getting ............I thought not !
Hleb, as irritating as he was, was an established international player (albeit for Belarus) whilst flamoney had one international substitute appearance (in a friendly) at that point and only has a total of 3 caps now. Hleb was an established starter for us at the time whilst flamoney was largely a bit part player at the club prior to that last season. How the fcuk the guy had the cheek to look for parity with the top earners at the club at that time baffles me ? I'd love to know at what stage you are suggesting that he signed the contract with Milan - I know wenker at the time suggested, right until the end, that he was confident that flamoney would stay but your post seems to suggest that he knew otherwise
I was gutted when he left us.
He is one jigsaw part we have been missing.
In a perfect world, he would have remained with us, along with RvP, Cesc yada yada yada.
He is doing a good job, from what I read in the match reports.
I let laying dogs lie, imo.
to compare full international players against fringe or non international players is no argument at all,weve had plenty of them over the years at Arsenal but it doesn't mean they aren't integral to the team or shouldn't be top earners,some players simply don't fit the bill with international managers,Paul Davis,steve bould,nigel winterburn and to a lesser degree ray parlour have all been fringe international players yet youd have put them down on the Arsenal team sheet week in week out.Arteta is a prime example right now,he is one of our top earners but doesn't represent spain,does that mean he should be on the same money as Karl Jenkinson?Flamini had every right to ask for the same money as hleb,he was as important or more important to us regardless of his international status
I loved him when he was here before and although a i was tad apprehensive when we signed him again i love him now We have missed a snarling dirty fucker who does a bit of yapping since,well since he left really.Its funny how when a player in another shirt goes around growling it gets on my titties,but i love it when this fella does it it gives me a warm feeling inside.
arseofacrow wrote:And another thing - Flamini contributed as much to Arsenal's midfield between 2009-2013 as Diaby did - and cost several million less in wages, so how can he be such a greedy *word censored*? Value for money I'd say.
What grates on me isn't that he chose to leave, but rather that his motivation for that choice was financial - I have said that a zillion times already on this thread but yet I still am asked to explain my stance 
I am sick of mercenary b*stards like greedybayor, little lesbo and this fcuker representing my club - everywhere he has been he has fcuked over his employers in search of the next bigger paycheck and if a big offer came in for him next summer he would drop us all over again and don't think otherwise. He def brings something to the table that we need (although for me he shouldn't be classed as good enough to play DM at a club of our size and resources) but I will never be happy that he has been signed again
