league cup last 16 v sheff wed

[augie]

Going out of the league cup is not a disaster, feel for the 5000 fans who travelled up there though

What we learned as if it need confirming was that the squad is not up to it

Yes first 11 can beat anyone on there day we have proved that

If we have any injuries we are going to loose games....and the squad selection is entirely down to the manager

Debuchy and Gibbs have to go in January

Ideal solution would be Wenger leaving end of season replaced by Pep Gaurdiola

Cannot agree - yes he would be a significant upgrade on le cock, but imo the last thing we need is another manager in favour of tippy tappy football. We need a manager that will bring something new to the table that will supplement the tippy tappy skills we know that we have right now. In an ideal world I would have liked simeone or klopp to come in and light a fire under these under performing w.nkers, by instilling some fire and passion in them. I also have concerns that pep is so entrenched in his philosophies (sound familiar) that he will not change in any situation

[barnetgooner]

This was our team at Reading a few years ago in the Carling Cup 7-5; who'd have thought we'd be longing for a line up like this:
36 Martinez
06 Koscielny
20 Djourou
25 Jenkinson
54 Miquel (Meade - 105' )
14 Walcott
22 Coquelin
23 Arshavin
26 Frimpong (Giroud - 62' )
47 Gnabry (Eisfeld - 62' )
29 Chamakh

Yes we have injuries but most of them were known about before the end of August or otherwise predictable. It's indefensible that we're in a situation that Joel Campbell (a player Wenger doesn't even rate; it's not like his Eboue blind spot) has regularly been in the matchday squad this season.

[Robin_L]

Wenger was asked a question about the yoof in the side last night......and so he responded with an answer about the yoof.

Doesn't mean he's "hanging the kids out to dry" and thinks Mertesacker, Debuchy & co. were all blameless. Jesus wept some of you lot.

Was the right decision to rest Ozil, Sanchez, Cazorla, Coquelin, Koscielny. We don't have a big squad anyway and when you can't call upon Rosicky, Wilshere, Welbeck or Arteta to plug a few gaps then there's always the chance this might happen.

Joel Campbell's not an Arsenal player and neither of the 17 year olds were going to do anything. Wenger should've started Bielik over Kamara for sure. Alex Iwobi looked the best bet, most of our better yoof are all out on loan, where they should be.

This isn't remotely in the same category as losing to Bradford with close to our full team. Take it on the chin and move on. Anyone who was at White Hart Lane for the Flamini brace would settle for that in this competition this year.

[Robin_L]

Wenger was asked a question about the yoof in the side last night......and so he responded with an answer about the yoof.

Doesn't mean he's "hanging the kids out to dry" and thinks Mertesacker, Debuchy & co. were all blameless. Jesus wept some of you lot.

Was the right decision to rest Ozil, Sanchez, Cazorla, Coquelin, Koscielny. We don't have a big squad anyway and when you can't call upon Rosicky, Wilshere, Welbeck or Arteta to plug a few gaps then there's always the chance this might happen.

Joel Campbell's not an Arsenal player and neither of the 17 year olds were going to do anything. Wenger should've started Bielik over Kamara for sure. Alex Iwobi looked the best bet, most of our better yoof are all out on loan, where they should be.

This isn't remotely in the same category as losing to Bradford with close to our full team. Take it on the chin and move on. Anyone who was at White Hart Lane for the Flamini brace would settle for that in this competition this year.

[nut flush gooner]

Wenger was asked a question about the yoof in the side last night......and so he responded with an answer about the yoof.

Doesn't mean he's "hanging the kids out to dry" and thinks Mertesacker, Debuchy & co. were all blameless. Jesus wept some of you lot.

Was the right decision to rest Ozil, Sanchez, Cazorla, Coquelin, Koscielny. We don't have a big squad anyway and when you can't call upon Rosicky, Wilshere, Welbeck or Arteta to plug a few gaps then there's always the chance this might happen.

Joel Campbell's not an Arsenal player and neither of the 17 year olds were going to do anything. Wenger should've started Bielik over Kamara for sure. Alex Iwobi looked the best bet, most of our better yoof are all out on loan, where they should be.

This isn't remotely in the same category as losing to Bradford with close to our full team. Take it on the chin and move on. Anyone who was at White Hart Lane for the Flamini brace would settle for that in this competition this year.

What I don't get about Joel Campbell is he played in the CL for Olympiakos and the last World Cup, looking very accomplished and not out of his depth. Yet when he puts on the Arsenal shirt it seems like a totally different player, clueless and lacking confidence.

[Redarmy]

Going out of the league cup is not a disaster, feel for the 5000 fans who travelled up there though

What we learned as if it need confirming was that the squad is not up to it

Yes first 11 can beat anyone on there day we have proved that

If we have any injuries we are going to loose games....and the squad selection is entirely down to the manager

Debuchy and Gibbs have to go in January

Ideal solution would be Wenger leaving end of season replaced by Pep Gaurdiola

Cannot agree - yes he would be a significant upgrade on le cock, but imo the last thing we need is another manager in favour of tippy tappy football. We need a manager that will bring something new to the table that will supplement the tippy tappy skills we know that we have right now. In an ideal world I would have liked simeone or klopp to come in and light a fire under these under performing w.nkers, by instilling some fire and passion in them. I also have concerns that pep is so entrenched in his philosophies (sound familiar) that he will not change in any situation

Cannot see Pep Gaurdiola putting up with a shambles of a squad like we currently have
He seems like a man who can make a decision and be resolute unlike Wenger who half the time is trying to keep everyone happy
and then fails miserably like his team selection for the early CL games

[nut flush gooner]

Going out of the league cup is not a disaster, feel for the 5000 fans who travelled up there though

What we learned as if it need confirming was that the squad is not up to it

Yes first 11 can beat anyone on there day we have proved that

If we have any injuries we are going to loose games....and the squad selection is entirely down to the manager

Debuchy and Gibbs have to go in January

Ideal solution would be Wenger leaving end of season replaced by Pep Gaurdiola

Cannot agree - yes he would be a significant upgrade on le cock, but imo the last thing we need is another manager in favour of tippy tappy football. We need a manager that will bring something new to the table that will supplement the tippy tappy skills we know that we have right now. In an ideal world I would have liked simeone or klopp to come in and light a fire under these under performing w.nkers, by instilling some fire and passion in them. I also have concerns that pep is so entrenched in his philosophies (sound familiar) that he will not change in any situation

Cannot see Pep Gaurdiola putting up with a shambles of a squad like we currently have
He seems like a man who can make a decision and be resolute unlike Wenger who half the time is trying to keep everyone happy
and then fails miserably like his team selection for the early CL games

The squad isn't a shambles. We are two or three players away from being serious contenders for the title, not just this season but every season. That's probably the most fustrating thing, and we will be exposed over the coming weeks if theo/the ox are injured in the longer term.

I don't think you can class some of the players on display last night as squad players. Also remember the likes of Zelalem and Akpom are out on loan, they are more likely to make it rather than some of the youngsters last night.

[northbank123]

Wenger was asked a question about the yoof in the side last night......and so he responded with an answer about the yoof.

Doesn't mean he's "hanging the kids out to dry" and thinks Mertesacker, Debuchy & co. were all blameless. Jesus wept some of you lot.

Was the right decision to rest Ozil, Sanchez, Cazorla, Coquelin, Koscielny. We don't have a big squad anyway and when you can't call upon Rosicky, Wilshere, Welbeck or Arteta to plug a few gaps then there's always the chance this might happen.

Joel Campbell's not an Arsenal player and neither of the 17 year olds were going to do anything. Wenger should've started Bielik over Kamara for sure. Alex Iwobi looked the best bet, most of our better yoof are all out on loan, where they should be.

This isn't remotely in the same category as losing to Bradford with close to our full team. Take it on the chin and move on. Anyone who was at White Hart Lane for the Flamini brace would settle for that in this competition this year.

Wenger has been caught out far too many times before to fall into this fucking idiot trap of answering every question put to him at face value.

The reality is he said the kids showed they weren't good enough and didn't say a single word about our very experienced back 4 who were incapable of the most basic set piece organisation and cost us two goals. Doesn't really matter what questions he was asked - bottom line is that is what he did and didn't say.

[Redarmy]

Going out of the league cup is not a disaster, feel for the 5000 fans who travelled up there though

What we learned as if it need confirming was that the squad is not up to it

Yes first 11 can beat anyone on there day we have proved that

If we have any injuries we are going to loose games....and the squad selection is entirely down to the manager

Debuchy and Gibbs have to go in January

Ideal solution would be Wenger leaving end of season replaced by Pep Gaurdiola

Cannot agree - yes he would be a significant upgrade on le cock, but imo the last thing we need is another manager in favour of tippy tappy football. We need a manager that will bring something new to the table that will supplement the tippy tappy skills we know that we have right now. In an ideal world I would have liked simeone or klopp to come in and light a fire under these under performing w.nkers, by instilling some fire and passion in them. I also have concerns that pep is so entrenched in his philosophies (sound familiar) that he will not change in any situation

Cannot see Pep Gaurdiola putting up with a shambles of a squad like we currently have
He seems like a man who can make a decision and be resolute unlike Wenger who half the time is trying to keep everyone happy
and then fails miserably like his team selection for the early CL games

The squad isn't a shambles. We are two or three players away from being serious contenders for the title, not just this season but every season. That's probably the most fustrating thing, and we will be exposed over the coming weeks if theo/the ox are injured in the longer term.

I don't think you can class some of the players on display last night as squad players. Also remember the likes of Zelalem and Akpom are out on loan, they are more likely to make it rather than some of the youngsters last night.

Hear what you are saying regarding loan players, but I'm talking about Debuchy Gibbs and Chambers, if we have to play any of those we will lose points guaranteed, not good enough get rid.........that defence was shocking

Who will play on the right against Swansea and Bayern?

[Midz]

What I don't get about Joel Campbell is he played in the CL for Olympiakos and the last World Cup, looking very accomplished and not out of his depth. Yet when he puts on the Arsenal shirt it seems like a totally different player, clueless and lacking confidence.

He scored a lucky goal against Man Utd in the CL but other than that he's proved nothing. He ran around like a headless chicken in the world cup and has never looked convincing in any other match.
What AW saw in him I really don't know.

[Theoperator]

The Mejia have come to Arsenes help today, no thanks to Maureen- endless drivel about Maureens performance sacking so they lost by one goal on pens to The Orcs away- now when did we last win there

Then its all OK guys cos its "Only" the 4th time dear Arsene has lost against a non premiership side

Its hard to make it up, the predictability of these sort of results are pretty much nailed on over the years.

Only consolation is That Toon lost to them when they fielded a reserve squad

[nut flush gooner]

What I don't get about Joel Campbell is he played in the CL for Olympiakos and the last World Cup, looking very accomplished and not out of his depth. Yet when he puts on the Arsenal shirt it seems like a totally different player, clueless and lacking confidence.

He scored a lucky goal against Man Utd in the CL but other than that he's proved nothing. He ran around like a headless chicken in the world cup and has never looked convincing in any other match.
What AW saw in him I really don't know.

Lucky goal really?????!!! Looks quite a good strike to me!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATcwmXJYbDU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8ACcND8cOU

[Leyton Gooner]

It isn't so long ago that Wenger had never lost to a team outside the PL. Blackburn, Bradford, Sheff Wed and another that I've managed to erase from my memory, but am pretty certain it was in the last five years as well. All little accidents of course

[DB10GOONER]

Wenger was asked a question about the yoof in the side last night......and so he responded with an answer about the yoof.

Doesn't mean he's "hanging the kids out to dry" and thinks Mertesacker, Debuchy & co. were all blameless. Jesus wept some of you lot.

Was the right decision to rest Ozil, Sanchez, Cazorla, Coquelin, Koscielny. We don't have a big squad anyway and when you can't call upon Rosicky, Wilshere, Welbeck or Arteta to plug a few gaps then there's always the chance this might happen.

Joel Campbell's not an Arsenal player and neither of the 17 year olds were going to do anything. Wenger should've started Bielik over Kamara for sure. Alex Iwobi looked the best bet, most of our better yoof are all out on loan, where they should be.

This isn't remotely in the same category as losing to Bradford with close to our full team. Take it on the chin and move on. Anyone who was at White Hart Lane for the Flamini brace would settle for that in this competition this year.

Well, as usual, in your desperation to just have a pop at people on the forum, you haven't really thought about it have you?

The key thing here is the impact on those young players of such a public belittling of them. Those kids get the call up for the 1st team and would be excited and pumped up all week. Then after the game their manager tells the world the kids weren't good enough, implying the kids were the reason we lost. That would be devastating and humiliating for a young player to hear. Wenger should have said, "They did ok, it's a learning experience and I think they will show their quality as the season rolls on blah blah blah". Yeah it's media-speak, but it is better for a kid to hear that rather than "the kids showed they were not good enough". Now those kids will have doubts creep in about their own ability and their confidence will suffer - all because Wenger couldn't engage his brain before he spoke. So, yeah - Jesus probably has wept, if he's a Gooner.

[SteveO 35]

Absolutely gutted that we went out in such a pathetic manner and betrayed 5000 fans who travelled up there. Whether the youngsters were ready or not, that back 4 was made up entirely of international players playing against an OK championship side....and they folded like a deck of cards. Next time Debuchy spends a transfer window wondering about whether he should go or not, can someone call the taxi for the airport and I'll pick up the fare - paceless and gormless, the bloke is an absolute joke and a criminal waste of money

Heard some shit about how crazy it was to risk the likes of Theo and the Ox.....yeah, like they never pick up injuries in PL or CL games !

Oh well, its only the League Cup so what with us being such a massive club and trophy laden this past decade we can afford to stick two snobby fingers up at it and concentrate on the more winnable Champions League