but those tossers forget everybody except us has been battering city lately,WTFBradywasking wrote:Full time whistle goes at Goodison and the AKBs are on Twitter immediately saying City's defeat proves that Wenger is the only manager for Arsenal.. Pep didn't lose 8-2 or 6-0 or 5-1. Did he?
Wilson wrote:The above is a fair assessment. Wenger is too slow with tactics and change. He is like an oil tanker when it comes to changing direction.
Most young managers are flexible and elastic. Wenger however - same formation, 70 minutes subs, sticking with players rather than moving them on. Even failing to recognize potential, which used to be one of his strong points.
For instance, Gnabry should have been promoted ahead of Walcott last season, or even two seasons ago. Now after 7 goals in 15 games for Werder Bremen, and recently getting his first German cap, the word is Chelsea and Atletico Madrid are eyeing him up. Apparently he has a buy back clause in his contract. Please Wenger, swallow your pride and exercise it.
Now the Wenger lap dogs could make the argument that hindsight is a wonderful thing. However, I, and many other Arsenal fans called on Gnabry to feature vastly more often, and even jump ahead of Theo and Chamberlain. Instead, Wenger's slowness to react, and inflexible management style ensured Gnabry left. And im telling you, if we cant bring him back to the club, this will be our Pogba/De Bruyne moment.
The thing is though, if Wenger brings him back, its a de-facto admission he was wrong to overlook him. And I dont think Wenger's ego could take bringing back Gnabry, and freezing out Feo, as Gnabry would certainly take Feo's position.
Watch Wenger's ego take precedent over the good of the club. Watch him stand in idle whilst Chelsea snap up Gnabry. Although hopefully the idea of Gnabry tearing it up for Chelsea which is too close to home, will force Wenger to act. I mean, if he would bring back Flamini, why not Gnabry? But then again, Pires left because he wouldn't get given a 2 year contract due to the over 30's policy, but two years later, Wenger offered a 30 year old Silvestre a 2 year contract. So who fuking knows how to follow the logic Wenger uses to come to decisions.
Nailed it on the head there, buddy.BFG4 wrote:These same AKB'S slag off clubs like Chelsea, Man City or Man united, as though we as a club are on a pedestal looking down on them. This of course conveniently forgets that wanker hasn't won a title in 12(soon to be 13 years) and would rather redefine success than attempt to achieve actual success. This level of delusion is like a spurs fan, who keeps thinking that if they finish above us once, then they are somehow a bigger club than us.Bradywasking wrote:Full time whistle goes at Goodison and the AKBs are on Twitter immediately saying City's defeat proves that Wenger is the only manager for Arsenal.. Pep didn't lose 8-2 or 6-0 or 5-1. Did he?
He's got his initial facts wrong there. Wenger is not stuck in a rut from 20 years ago. 20 years ago Wenger revolutionised English football by playing powerful, pacy, strong, and (key thing here) skillful central midfielders like Petit & Vieira - players that fought for possession and then moved the ball box to box at pace. Most PL clubs followed that lead to some degree. The problem then was that he switched it up in the mid 2000s to try and ape the Whores with slightly built tippy tappy merchants, thinking everyone would follow. They didn't and we were often just plain outfought and out muscled in that era. Also we did not have players of the caliber of Xavi, Iniesta and Messi that can play that style of football successfully.Redarmy wrote:From HITC sport:
The problem now though, is that those ideas that were so groundbreaking 20 years ago, have become archaic, yet the Frenchman persists with methods that are becoming redundant in the modern game.
Whilst younger, more forward-thinking managers are coming through, Wenger remains in a bygone era, and it could be argued that his presence in the Gunners hot-seat is preventing the club from reaching the heights that they are undoubtedly capable of.
He is totally devoid of the ability to shake things up tactically during a game, and always persists with the tiresome 4-2-3-1 formation.
Opposition managers know how Arsenal will play, and they have become predictable to line-up against.
But in a game of such marginal gains, there are question marks as to whether Wenger can be considered elite anymore, and if he can truly cut it at the highest level.
And his transfer policy still leaves a lot to be desired.
He brought in Granit Xhaka for close to £35 million in the summer, genuinely thinking he was a box-to-box midfielder, yet he is quite clearly an accomplished deep-lying playmaker.
Then there is the fact that it took the Frenchman two years to realise that Alexis Sanchez could operate as a world-class centre forward, when arguably they could have won the league title last season, had the Chilean been deployed in that particular role then.
His refusal to rest players has also proved to be detrimental to his side's hopes of success over recent years.
He continually plays his best players until they break, time and time again.
With his contract expiring at the end of the season, his reign in north London could be coming to an end, but if he manages to guide his side to another top-four finish, the Arsenal board will undoubtedly offer him another two year deal.
DB10GOONER wrote:He's got his initial facts wrong there. Wenger is not stuck in a rut from 20 years ago. 20 years ago Wenger revolutionised English football by playing powerful, pacy, strong, and (key thing here) skillful central midfielders like Petit & Vieira - players that fought for possession and then moved the ball box to box at pace. Most PL clubs followed that lead to some degree. The problem then was that he switched it up in the mid 2000s to try and ape the Whores with slightly built tippy tappy merchants, thinking everyone would follow. They didn't and we were often just plain outfought and out muscled in that era. Also we did not have players of the caliber of Xavi, Iniesta and Messi that can play that style of football successfully.Redarmy wrote:From HITC sport:
The problem now though, is that those ideas that were so groundbreaking 20 years ago, have become archaic, yet the Frenchman persists with methods that are becoming redundant in the modern game.
Whilst younger, more forward-thinking managers are coming through, Wenger remains in a bygone era, and it could be argued that his presence in the Gunners hot-seat is preventing the club from reaching the heights that they are undoubtedly capable of.
He is totally devoid of the ability to shake things up tactically during a game, and always persists with the tiresome 4-2-3-1 formation.
Opposition managers know how Arsenal will play, and they have become predictable to line-up against.
But in a game of such marginal gains, there are question marks as to whether Wenger can be considered elite anymore, and if he can truly cut it at the highest level.
And his transfer policy still leaves a lot to be desired.
He brought in Granit Xhaka for close to £35 million in the summer, genuinely thinking he was a box-to-box midfielder, yet he is quite clearly an accomplished deep-lying playmaker.
Then there is the fact that it took the Frenchman two years to realise that Alexis Sanchez could operate as a world-class centre forward, when arguably they could have won the league title last season, had the Chilean been deployed in that particular role then.
His refusal to rest players has also proved to be detrimental to his side's hopes of success over recent years.
He continually plays his best players until they break, time and time again.
With his contract expiring at the end of the season, his reign in north London could be coming to an end, but if he manages to guide his side to another top-four finish, the Arsenal board will undoubtedly offer him another two year deal.
The problem with Wenger now is his intractable persistence with 4-5-1 no matter who we are playing against or what players we have available. Most teams can set up against us quite easily and effectively knowing he won't switch it up mid game.
To me it is still basically 4-5-1 because our midfield gets so compressed when other teams park the bus. His most successful sides always played a flexible 4-4-2 and sometimes variations of 4-3-3. Even when Wenger used Henry in the 2006 CL run as a lone striker in a 4-5-1 he still played mostly 4-4-2 in the PL with Bergkamp, Wiltord or Kanu as the second striker. He only really dropped 4-4-2 in about 2007/2008.Redarmy wrote:DB10GOONER wrote:He's got his initial facts wrong there. Wenger is not stuck in a rut from 20 years ago. 20 years ago Wenger revolutionised English football by playing powerful, pacy, strong, and (key thing here) skillful central midfielders like Petit & Vieira - players that fought for possession and then moved the ball box to box at pace. Most PL clubs followed that lead to some degree. The problem then was that he switched it up in the mid 2000s to try and ape the Whores with slightly built tippy tappy merchants, thinking everyone would follow. They didn't and we were often just plain outfought and out muscled in that era. Also we did not have players of the caliber of Xavi, Iniesta and Messi that can play that style of football successfully.Redarmy wrote:From HITC sport:
The problem now though, is that those ideas that were so groundbreaking 20 years ago, have become archaic, yet the Frenchman persists with methods that are becoming redundant in the modern game.
Whilst younger, more forward-thinking managers are coming through, Wenger remains in a bygone era, and it could be argued that his presence in the Gunners hot-seat is preventing the club from reaching the heights that they are undoubtedly capable of.
He is totally devoid of the ability to shake things up tactically during a game, and always persists with the tiresome 4-2-3-1 formation.
Opposition managers know how Arsenal will play, and they have become predictable to line-up against.
But in a game of such marginal gains, there are question marks as to whether Wenger can be considered elite anymore, and if he can truly cut it at the highest level.
And his transfer policy still leaves a lot to be desired.
He brought in Granit Xhaka for close to £35 million in the summer, genuinely thinking he was a box-to-box midfielder, yet he is quite clearly an accomplished deep-lying playmaker.
Then there is the fact that it took the Frenchman two years to realise that Alexis Sanchez could operate as a world-class centre forward, when arguably they could have won the league title last season, had the Chilean been deployed in that particular role then.
His refusal to rest players has also proved to be detrimental to his side's hopes of success over recent years.
He continually plays his best players until they break, time and time again.
With his contract expiring at the end of the season, his reign in north London could be coming to an end, but if he manages to guide his side to another top-four finish, the Arsenal board will undoubtedly offer him another two year deal.
The problem with Wenger now is his intractable persistence with 4-5-1 no matter who we are playing against or what players we have available. Most teams can set up against us quite easily and effectively knowing he won't switch it up mid game.
think we all agree he was ground breaking when he started, and revolutionised the game here
also we play 4-2-3-1, always a midfield pairing regardless of the opposition
Honestly cannot remember the last time he changed anything at half time unless it was because of injury.rodders999 wrote:Watching the games at the weekend got me thinking. With United 1 nil down Jose made a change at HT bringing on Fatty for Carrick. Does any Statto on here know when was the last time that we made an unforced sub during the break to try and change the game? Answers on a postcard please. I genuinely cannot ever remember it......but most be wrong surely?
Agreed what annoys me is when we have 2 holding midfielders, such as Coquelin and Elneny when we are playing at home to a team set up to park the busDB10GOONER wrote:To me it is still basically 4-5-1 because our midfield gets so compressed when other teams park the bus. His most successful sides always played a flexible 4-4-2 and sometimes variations of 4-3-3. Even when Wenger used Henry in the 2006 CL run as a lone striker in a 4-5-1 he still played mostly 4-4-2 in the PL with Bergkamp, Wiltord or Kanu as the second striker. He only really dropped 4-4-2 in about 2007/2008.Redarmy wrote:DB10GOONER wrote:He's got his initial facts wrong there. Wenger is not stuck in a rut from 20 years ago. 20 years ago Wenger revolutionised English football by playing powerful, pacy, strong, and (key thing here) skillful central midfielders like Petit & Vieira - players that fought for possession and then moved the ball box to box at pace. Most PL clubs followed that lead to some degree. The problem then was that he switched it up in the mid 2000s to try and ape the Whores with slightly built tippy tappy merchants, thinking everyone would follow. They didn't and we were often just plain outfought and out muscled in that era. Also we did not have players of the caliber of Xavi, Iniesta and Messi that can play that style of football successfully.Redarmy wrote:From HITC sport:
The problem now though, is that those ideas that were so groundbreaking 20 years ago, have become archaic, yet the Frenchman persists with methods that are becoming redundant in the modern game.
Whilst younger, more forward-thinking managers are coming through, Wenger remains in a bygone era, and it could be argued that his presence in the Gunners hot-seat is preventing the club from reaching the heights that they are undoubtedly capable of.
He is totally devoid of the ability to shake things up tactically during a game, and always persists with the tiresome 4-2-3-1 formation.
Opposition managers know how Arsenal will play, and they have become predictable to line-up against.
But in a game of such marginal gains, there are question marks as to whether Wenger can be considered elite anymore, and if he can truly cut it at the highest level.
And his transfer policy still leaves a lot to be desired.
He brought in Granit Xhaka for close to £35 million in the summer, genuinely thinking he was a box-to-box midfielder, yet he is quite clearly an accomplished deep-lying playmaker.
Then there is the fact that it took the Frenchman two years to realise that Alexis Sanchez could operate as a world-class centre forward, when arguably they could have won the league title last season, had the Chilean been deployed in that particular role then.
His refusal to rest players has also proved to be detrimental to his side's hopes of success over recent years.
He continually plays his best players until they break, time and time again.
With his contract expiring at the end of the season, his reign in north London could be coming to an end, but if he manages to guide his side to another top-four finish, the Arsenal board will undoubtedly offer him another two year deal.
The problem with Wenger now is his intractable persistence with 4-5-1 no matter who we are playing against or what players we have available. Most teams can set up against us quite easily and effectively knowing he won't switch it up mid game.
think we all agree he was ground breaking when he started, and revolutionised the game here
also we play 4-2-3-1, always a midfield pairing regardless of the opposition
Yep. It is soul destroying watching him sit there hugging himself and doing nothing whilst it goes pear shaped on the pitch... and still he refuses to change anything. Until the 70th minute rolls around and his preordained substitutions get made, which 9 times out of 10 have no impact whatsoever...Redarmy wrote:Agreed what annoys me is when we have 2 holding midfielders, such as Coquelin and Elneny when we are playing at home to a team set up to park the busDB10GOONER wrote:To me it is still basically 4-5-1 because our midfield gets so compressed when other teams park the bus. His most successful sides always played a flexible 4-4-2 and sometimes variations of 4-3-3. Even when Wenger used Henry in the 2006 CL run as a lone striker in a 4-5-1 he still played mostly 4-4-2 in the PL with Bergkamp, Wiltord or Kanu as the second striker. He only really dropped 4-4-2 in about 2007/2008.Redarmy wrote:DB10GOONER wrote:He's got his initial facts wrong there. Wenger is not stuck in a rut from 20 years ago. 20 years ago Wenger revolutionised English football by playing powerful, pacy, strong, and (key thing here) skillful central midfielders like Petit & Vieira - players that fought for possession and then moved the ball box to box at pace. Most PL clubs followed that lead to some degree. The problem then was that he switched it up in the mid 2000s to try and ape the Whores with slightly built tippy tappy merchants, thinking everyone would follow. They didn't and we were often just plain outfought and out muscled in that era. Also we did not have players of the caliber of Xavi, Iniesta and Messi that can play that style of football successfully.Redarmy wrote:From HITC sport:
The problem now though, is that those ideas that were so groundbreaking 20 years ago, have become archaic, yet the Frenchman persists with methods that are becoming redundant in the modern game.
Whilst younger, more forward-thinking managers are coming through, Wenger remains in a bygone era, and it could be argued that his presence in the Gunners hot-seat is preventing the club from reaching the heights that they are undoubtedly capable of.
He is totally devoid of the ability to shake things up tactically during a game, and always persists with the tiresome 4-2-3-1 formation.
Opposition managers know how Arsenal will play, and they have become predictable to line-up against.
But in a game of such marginal gains, there are question marks as to whether Wenger can be considered elite anymore, and if he can truly cut it at the highest level.
And his transfer policy still leaves a lot to be desired.
He brought in Granit Xhaka for close to £35 million in the summer, genuinely thinking he was a box-to-box midfielder, yet he is quite clearly an accomplished deep-lying playmaker.
Then there is the fact that it took the Frenchman two years to realise that Alexis Sanchez could operate as a world-class centre forward, when arguably they could have won the league title last season, had the Chilean been deployed in that particular role then.
His refusal to rest players has also proved to be detrimental to his side's hopes of success over recent years.
He continually plays his best players until they break, time and time again.
With his contract expiring at the end of the season, his reign in north London could be coming to an end, but if he manages to guide his side to another top-four finish, the Arsenal board will undoubtedly offer him another two year deal.
The problem with Wenger now is his intractable persistence with 4-5-1 no matter who we are playing against or what players we have available. Most teams can set up against us quite easily and effectively knowing he won't switch it up mid game.
think we all agree he was ground breaking when he started, and revolutionised the game here
also we play 4-2-3-1, always a midfield pairing regardless of the opposition
would prefer 2 strikers upfront but tactically he is totally unimaginative and fixed in a rut.....
how many times i have been watching us getting totally over run and literally screaming to change something before we concede...and nothing is done...and then we concede
He was doing that elastic bandage trick with his fingers again at the weekend, when he's at that he reminds me of Frank Grimes from the Simpsons...the man's on the absolute brink.DB10GOONER wrote: Yep. It is soul destroying watching him sit there hugging himself and doing nothing whilst it goes pear shaped on the pitch...
