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Whats with you lot over Dann? I can't believe some on here are slating this possible signing, I think he will be a fantastic acquisition, far better than some of the dross at the club. If Wenger gets him, possibly another CB like Cahill, a dominating CDM and maybe Mata or another quality striker then Arsenal will be equipped to take on anything this year.

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Look get it through your heads we always buys players that make econimical sense! Thats not going to change! Jagielka is 29! and at £20mil makes no econimical sense at all. Cahill has one year remaining on his contract and Bolton are still looking for £17mill.

If Nasri is only worth £20mil when he has 1 yr left how can Cahill be woth £17mill. If both players had 3yrs remaining on their contracts Im sure Nasri will fetch £30-40mill considering his age and ability. Cahill will still be valued at £17mill. Mertesecker is good in the air but had a poor season and severely lacks pace. Scott Dann is a very good centre back and will improve arsenal immensely, he will be the stopper and Vermaelen will be the ball playing centre back.

He does the simple things great just like Sol Campbell did. Its a positive move and yet sum of my fellow gooners jus look at the negatives.

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I'm a big Dann fan. Unfortunatley a lot of people look at the club instead of the player.

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piresistible wrote:Look get it through your heads we always buys players that make econimical sense! Thats not going to change! Jagielka is 29! and at £20mil makes no econimical sense at all. Cahill has one year remaining on his contract and Bolton are still looking for £17mill.

If Nasri is only worth £20mil when he has 1 yr left how can Cahill be woth £17mill. If both players had 3yrs remaining on their contracts Im sure Nasri will fetch £30-40mill considering his age and ability. Cahill will still be valued at £17mill. Mertesecker is good in the air but had a poor season and severely lacks pace. Scott Dann is a very good centre back and will improve arsenal immensely, he will be the stopper and Vermaelen will be the ball playing centre back.

He does the simple things great just like Sol Campbell did. Its a positive move and yet sum of my fellow gooners jus look at the negatives.
Agree with most of that - write that in your diary :wink:

Personally I agree on the Jageilka valuation - if they want 20m then thats more a sign of how desperate Everton are for cash.

Cahill is the only thing I disagree with in your post. I think talented players still go for decent money when there's 12 months left on a contract. United paid 16m for Young and he only had a year left and we're supposedly now at between 22m and 24m for Nasri

I look at it like this. In my opinion Cahill is the best young English centre half around. If he signed now and joined on something like a 4 year deal we'd be getting his peak years and he could be part of an established back line for years to come. I would pay 17m for the privilege of seeing that type of player at Arsenal, regardless of the time left on his contract.

I do agree with you about Dann though - not sure why people are on this lad's case. Personally I'm sick to the back teeth of watching SS18 dangling a leg out halfheartedly, and Djourou not wanting to mess his hair up.....this lad is a big improvement on that

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piresistible wrote:Whats with you lot over Dann? I can't believe some on here are slating this possible signing, I think he will be a fantastic acquisition, far better than some of the dross at the club. If Wenger gets him, possibly another CB like Cahill, a dominating CDM and maybe Mata or another quality striker then Arsenal will be equipped to take on anything this year.
I agree! And with the money that we will get for Cesc & Nasri (maybe Bendy too) and the 6% increase in prices, even without the touted original transfer pot - total spending money of around £80m, we could have a winning team. But would I trust Wenger with this money even if he decided to spend it? Absolutely not! I'd give it to a manager who actually has a burning desire to win and is paid according to the team performance
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I think we should be going out and saying to Everton: Here's £30m, we'll take Jagielka and Baines off your hands.

With Sagna and Vermaelen, there you go that's back four sorted for the next five or six years at least.

That's the way good teams are build and when you look at it, that £30m initial outlay is worth that money over five seasons in shirt sales, fans spending on merchandise, a feel good factor around the club, commercial deals for the clubs and players, competition money when we finish higher/better placed due to our better squad.

He just wont do it :banghead:

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SteveO 35 wrote:
piresistible wrote:Look get it through your heads we always buys players that make econimical sense! Thats not going to change! Jagielka is 29! and at £20mil makes no econimical sense at all. Cahill has one year remaining on his contract and Bolton are still looking for £17mill.

If Nasri is only worth £20mil when he has 1 yr left how can Cahill be woth £17mill. If both players had 3yrs remaining on their contracts Im sure Nasri will fetch £30-40mill considering his age and ability. Cahill will still be valued at £17mill. Mertesecker is good in the air but had a poor season and severely lacks pace. Scott Dann is a very good centre back and will improve arsenal immensely, he will be the stopper and Vermaelen will be the ball playing centre back.

He does the simple things great just like Sol Campbell did. Its a positive move and yet sum of my fellow gooners jus look at the negatives.
Agree with most of that - write that in your diary :wink:

Personally I agree on the Jageilka valuation - if they want 20m then thats more a sign of how desperate Everton are for cash.

Cahill is the only thing I disagree with in your post. I think talented players still go for decent money when there's 12 months left on a contract. United paid 16m for Young and he only had a year left and we're supposedly now at between 22m and 24m for Nasri

I look at it like this. In my opinion Cahill is the best young English centre half around. If he signed now and joined on something like a 4 year deal we'd be getting his peak years and he could be part of an established back line for years to come. I would pay 17m for the privilege of seeing that type of player at Arsenal, regardless of the time left on his contract.

I do agree with you about Dann though - not sure why people are on this lad's case. Personally I'm sick to the back teeth of watching SS18 dangling a leg out halfheartedly, and Djourou not wanting to mess his hair up.....this lad is a big improvement on that
Aaaw I'm honoured :lol:

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There seems to be a lot of concern about replacements for cesc and nasri. Well, I think in wilshire and ramsey we have two exceptional talents who will be able to take responsibility in central midfield. I know they are young , and in ramsey's case especially, lack experience, but I think they are good enough. Also they have not been part of the recent debacles, so psychologically they will be stronger perhaps. We still have arshavin, walcot, song and rosicky who are all capable players, and I'm looking forward to seeing frimpong and oxelade chamberlain. Overall, even without cesc and nasri, it's a pretty exciting looking midfield. What is absolutely paramount however, is that wenger strengthens the defence. With the money we get from cesc and nasri, wenger will be able to do this. So, no excuses arsene, we need two centre backs a left back, a midfield destroyer and especially since bendtner's leaving, another striker.

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I don't think we necessarily need to 'replace' them, but the money should be invested in to strenghtening the defensive side of the game (and maybe a striker) 3 defensive minded players (2 CBs and a DM would be ideal) and we'ld be in a very healthy position.

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rigsby wrote:I'm a big Dann fan. Unfortunatley a lot of people look at the club instead of the player.

True it has been pointed out that birmingham were relegated because of Dann's absence through injury in the last 3 months of the season. As someone may have said Bould was a CB in the worst side ever to play in the top division Stoke 1984, 14 points from 42 games. He didn't turn out too bad, but wenger hasn't got graham's eye in spotting talented defenders, which is where the concern lies.

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rigsby wrote:I'm a big Dann fan. Unfortunatley a lot of people look at the club instead of the player.

True it has been pointed out that birmingham were relegated because of Dann's absence through injury in the last 3 months of the season. As someone may have said Bould was a CB in the worst side ever to play in the top division Stoke 1984, 14 points from 42 games. He didn't turn out too bad, but wenger hasn't got graham's eye in spotting talented defenders, which is where the concern lies.
see my comment earlier on wenger & defenders

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Regarding 1:1 spending.. It depends. What are you spending it on. Like for like replacements for Cesc and Nasri? Nasri perhaps but I really don’t think there is a like for like replacement for Cesc.

I’d like to see money reinvested in the squad. But depending on if we have enough money for it or not, some of it should certainly go towards extending the contracts of RVP, Walcott and Song. (who are apparently all out of contract next year) You know I agree on us needing a striker. I have a feeling though, that it’s going to be Joel Campbell. A 1m signing isn’t anywhere near 1:1, but I don’t care about that, as long as he can perform at a level required of him. Would a marquee signing be prepared to sit on the bench behind RVP? Bendtner’s leaving for the same reason anyway. I’d like a defender, a striker, and a creative replacement for Cesc/Nasri if/when we sell them.

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worthing_gooner wrote:I think we should be going out and saying to Everton: Here's £30m, we'll take Jagielka and Baines off your hands.

With Sagna and Vermaelen, there you go that's back four sorted for the next five or six years at least.
Yeah, you forgot the part where we get someone to coach them day in day out so that they are able to function as a complete defensive unit.

Until that happens it won't matter who we sign and who plays there. If the defense isn't well drilled we will continue to give up even the most simple of goals against.

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I think if you had an experienced defender he'ld sort them out. Look at Sol when he came back.

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piresistible wrote:There seems to be a lot of concern about replacements for cesc and nasri. Well, I think in wilshire and ramsey we have two exceptional talents who will be able to take responsibility in central midfield. I know they are young , and in ramsey's case especially, lack experience, but I think they are good enough. Also they have not been part of the recent debacles, so psychologically they will be stronger perhaps. We still have arshavin, walcot, song and rosicky who are all capable players, and I'm looking forward to seeing frimpong and oxelade chamberlain. Overall, even without cesc and nasri, it's a pretty exciting looking midfield. What is absolutely paramount however, is that wenger strengthens the defence. With the money we get from cesc and nasri, wenger will be able to do this. So, no excuses arsene, we need two centre backs a left back, a midfield destroyer and especially since bendtner's leaving, another striker.
You've forgotten Abou the Imperious. If he gets a decent run in a central attacking midfield position he'll surprise the bloody lot of you :barscarf:

The future's bright.......the future's Abou :D

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