THE WENGER THREAD

[Bob Bayliss]

I won't reiterate my arguments that at this stage in the game supporter unrest (even if it is not universal) could have make more impact than has previously proved to be the case, suffice to say it is a more optimistic and less helpless premise than the alternative one suggested by DB10 and others that we might as well do nothing for all the good it will do....

I do believe there is evidence that he is losing the current dressing room. I don't know about Ozil, but Sanchez doesn't give the appearance of a man who is in any way, shape or form in thrall to Wenger. I would have thought it more likely he would be persuaded to stay under a new manager who had the vision to invest in better, more committed players. Our best (and arguably only top-drawer) defender, Koscielny, was quoted yesterday as questioning the team selection at Chelsea
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/ ... at-chelsea

And whether or not you believe the Ox meant to "like" the Arsenal Fan TV tweet calling explicitly for Wenger to go or not, the fact he was tuned in to such hostile views so soon after the Chelsea debacle speaks volumes....

[OneBardGooner]

The old fraud is way past his sell by date....this bring cycle of failure will just keep recurring until he leaves

He will not go gracefully, think he will need evicting.....fucking hate the man

If he signs another contract thinks lot of fans will just call it a day ....me being one of them

leave it to the tourists, corporates and day trippers

He will sign another contract mate. Put your house on it. Anyone that thinks results or the media or fan protests will remove him is living in a fantasy world. He will decide when he leaves. Nothing and no one else will impact that.

So Craig Burley is right when he call our fans spineless, they should just accept a new contract and say nothing.

Did IQ's just drop...? Where did I say that?

It's up to individuals to decide what they will or won't do. What I'm saying is it will not lead to Wenger going. He has a thick skin and a neck like a jockey's bollocks. He could give half a shit what the media or the fans think of him.

He has real power at the club. The owners are getting what they want from him: the CL money and the tourist money on match days.

And even if he did fall out of the top 4? Oh he has "earned the right" to try and put it right.

So protest away. It might be good to vent the anger and frustration but it won't shorten Wenger's tenure by even one day.

are you not implying that by saying no fan protest will remove him? isn't that basically "you might as well not bother"?

Not at all Nick, I for one would never say or suggest such a thing. As far as I'm concerned anything that brings the truth of the cluelessCunt and the Moneygrabbingcunt of an Owner into a negative viewed public arena is damn well welcome....The club's PR machine is already going into over-time in preparation for anything that come's their way via protests/Banners/ YouTube Interviews..."Anything" they consider Not Good for the clubs image will be dealt with by their usual sneaky underhand methods - They will do anything to protect the image and so the profits and those who bring the business Profit, anything outside of that they view as the enemy. Be they Life time Gooners, pundits or whom/whatever.

I mean look what happened at Man $hitty last season - Pretend to be 'concerned' and play along - by saying they will look into what happened - then leave it fall into the silent abyss of time - soon it is forgotten by all except those who were affected (treated like shyte) _ Gazidis said he would ensure it was investigated...like fuckk it was - There was a noticeable absence of reports in the media after the initial reports - any journalist with any salts would have seized upon that and not let it fade or die...It is one of the reasons the media are treated like lords at The bowl and when they do the pre-match interviews with CuntoWenger...Did anything ever happen to the guilty Arsenal fans who assaulted the protesting Gooners? Nope! Did anything happen to the StaziNaziStewardCunts - Nope...All hushed up and forgtten - Gazidis puts this Mr Nice Genuine Guy persona out there - It's all a Blag - a Load of bollox - He's a Two Faced Despicable Treacherous C.UNT - just Like Wenger.

Although my gut instinct and bullshyte radar says wengerCunt will be offered another contract and he will eagerly sign it..anything that makes that more unpleasant in any way, shape or form will get my whole-hearted support _ so for anyone to think or say we should just bend over and take it up th chuffer from the club can F,UCK-OFF!

#WENGER OUT

[MrT]

Allegri asked about Arsenal tonight: "I won't confirm or deny anything."

[Bradywasking]

Paul Ince joins the roll call of C.U.N.T.S. who stick their nose into something that has fuck all got to do with them, except it raise their profile in the media.
Ince, Burley, Sutton. just three of the media spongers trying to make money on our situation.. Regardless of which side of the debate/argument / war they come out on they just fucking shouldn't..

[Yankee_Gooner_Dandee]

each time Henry opens his mouth and says something about Wenger staying he drops a little bit further down my idolization list

[Wilson]

Prepare for some more propaganda. Feo is on 99 Arsenal goals, and you can be sure when gets to 100 all the Wenger brigade will be signing the praises of Feo and Wenger, and wondering why Arsenal fans are so annoyed given we have players who get to 100 goals for the club ect ect.

Yet just some perspective, Feo has scored 63 league goals in his twelve season - that averages to just under 6 goals a season. Whilst 99 goals in 12 seasons averages to just over 8 goals per season in all competitions.

To put into perspective, Robert Pires scored 62 league goals in only 6 years at the club. Fuking Feo has 6 years on Pires and only has one more league goal.

But these numerical facts will mean nothing. As soon as Feo gets number 100 the propaganda will be rolled out - there will be features on Feo in the papers, and tributes from former players. And all the 'all is good, no need for change' brigade will all pretend what a great achievement this is - that it took a forward 12 years to score 100 goals for the club.

[supergeorgegraham]

You can split Wengers Arsenal career in 2. Highbury years and Emirates years. In terms of so much they were different. Highbury years had a different board, George Graham players, no billionaire club owners, no mega mega wages and a different mentally of players because they were not all multi multi millionaires.
His first signings were pure class and cheap you don't see that these days apart from Kante to Leicester which won them the title.
We also played 442 which was far more exciting to watch than the boring dull shite of the Emirates years.
Emirates years include Kronke who will continue to kill Arsenal long after Wenger has gone. Players are given a fortune and our best players Ozil, Sanchez fail to impress in the big games. Henry did, Wright did, Bergkamp did, Vieira did, Adams did, Cambell did etc etc.
In the Emirates years which players has actually been our star who propelled us towards title and Champions League success ?
Wenger has to go because it has become boring and he will never taste success with Arsenal again. His formation is useless and so many of his players fail to match the history of this club with commitment and level of performance

[NickF]

You can split Wengers Arsenal career in 2. Highbury years and Emirates years. In terms of so much they were different. Highbury years had a different board, George Graham players, no billionaire club owners, no mega mega wages and a different mentally of players because they were not all multi multi millionaires.
His first signings were pure class and cheap you don't see that these days apart from Kante to Leicester which won them the title.
We also played 442 which was far more exciting to watch than the boring dull shite of the Emirates years.
Emirates years include Kronke who will continue to kill Arsenal long after Wenger has gone. Players are given a fortune and our best players Ozil, Sanchez fail to impress in the big games. Henry did, Wright did, Bergkamp did, Vieira did, Adams did, Cambell did etc etc.
In the Emirates years which players has actually been our star who propelled us towards title and Champions League success ?
Wenger has to go because it has become boring and he will never taste success with Arsenal again. His formation is useless and so many of his players fail to match the history of this club with commitment and level of performance

Would this be the same Campbell that literally went AWOL against West Ham?
Most of the Emirate problems above are the fault of Wenger and also to an extent the board for indulging him.

We do have a fairly decent squad, which by rights should certainly be challenging for top honours, unfortuanely Wenger lost the art of getting the best out of a team a very long time ago.

[Midz]

Right now I'm liking the idea of Massimiliano Allegri taking over at Arsenal.

That other Italian guy is doing well in West London.

[xgtdec]

each time Henry opens his mouth and says something about Wenger staying he drops a little bit further down my idolization list

He's not on my idol list at all anymore, between fucking off to Barca when the going got tough, and rimming Wenger at every given opportunity....Henry can fucking do one along with Wenger and all the other apologists!

[Wilson]

The great paradox is coming when we get hammered by Bayern.

They say two things that inherently contradict each other. The first is, its Bayern Munich - you cant expect Wenger to beat Bayern Munich. The second thing is, that Wenger is a brilliant world class manager and we must give him a new contract.

It cant be both. You cant rationalize defeat and have no expectations of Wenger pulling off big results, whilst at the same time referring to him as a brilliant manager. How is it a manager who is never expected to beat top teams, or even be competitive in the league or Europe, is so revered and marveled?

[sk-gtfo]

The great paradox is coming when we get hammered by Bayern.

They say two things that inherently contradict each other. The first is, its Bayern Munich - you cant expect Wenger to beat Bayern Munich. The second thing is, that Wenger is a brilliant world class manager and we must give him a new contract.

It cant be both. You cant rationalize defeat and have no expectations of Wenger pulling off big results, whilst at the same time referring to him as a brilliant manager. How is it a manager who is never expected to beat top teams, or even be competitive in the league or Europe, is so revered and marveled?

Good point, didn't Atletico Madrid give Bayern some serious competition in last years CL?, they are a team with significantly less resources than Arsenal, let alone Bayern, yet seem to be able to hold their own against them most likely because they have a manager/coach that has them organised and motivated.

Have we ever beaten Bayern (over 2 legs)?, I seem to remember them knocking us out of the CL in the mid 2000's and of course twice recently, I'm not sure if we have played them before under Wenger?.

Makes me laugh when people/pundits come out with 'be careful what you wish for' etc. please explain what exactly is there to lose?, 13 years no title, no CL ever, so it seems the only thing to really lose, and just as likely not lose, is our top 4 spot, which is now less important because of the TV money for the PL rights and 90% of the fanbase don't care about it (under Wenger) because we can never win the CL anyway!!. Then they start referencing Man Utd/Moyes, how is that at all relevant?, Fergie won something like 4/5 titles and a CL in the time we were going through that period winning nothing!!.

I am also a bit a unsure about being forgiving about the 'lean years', SK decided not to invest any of his money into the team, that was his choice and it cost us as fans, I am not sure I buy this self sustaining propaganda that Gazidis tries to preach, had money been invested by the owner when we really needed it he could have got it back during the better years, yes that would be a gamble, like a lot of investments, but we know by now what sort of owner he is - tight, ambitioness, bean counting c**t.

[Gunner Rob]

What usually happens in the CL these days is that the top teams beat us in the first leg.

It is not hard to envisage a scenario in which Bayern Munich beat us 3-0 in the first leg.
However then we will probably beat their reserve side 2-0 in the second leg. All the media pundits will then go - oh look Wenger is capable of beating a top team (forgetting the fact that we will have still been eliminated as usual) and how he deserves a new contract because he is sooooo close

[Clash]

The great paradox is coming when we get hammered by Bayern.

They say two things that inherently contradict each other. The first is, its Bayern Munich - you cant expect Wenger to beat Bayern Munich. The second thing is, that Wenger is a brilliant world class manager and we must give him a new contract.

It cant be both. You cant rationalize defeat and have no expectations of Wenger pulling off big results, whilst at the same time referring to him as a brilliant manager. How is it a manager who is never expected to beat top teams, or even be competitive in the league or Europe, is so revered and marveled?

Yeah I've often thought about the paradox thing.

Wenger tells us and his players that they are great - he even goes as far as saying its his best squad ever & best attack ever

Then rat-face Neville and co. tell us what a great job Wenger is doing. We are 'educated' by expert Keown who lets us know that Wenger is a genius and someone like Bob Wilson will tell us how committed he is and how incredibly hard he works.

So put this all together and it equals a great Arsenal squad, managed by a hardworking and dedicated genius ... all in a pretty average league.

And what do we get? No title challenge and no chance of winning the CL final.

Makes no sense what so-fucking-ever.

[DB10GOONER]

I don't agree all pundits are saying Wenger is a genius. Some are, but they are a minority and mostly his ex-players.

What most of the pundits are saying is a bizarre mix of "he has earned the right and is entitled to respect" and that Wenger is still the best man to carry Arsenal forward in the current circumstances - all based on Wenger's own myths lies and half truths about financial doping, the new stadium meaning we have no money, and Wenger's long gone ability to find the diamond in the rough etc.

How many articles have had that flavour of "look what happened to Leeds" or "careful what you wish for" or "who else could do his job?".