THE WENGER THREAD

[Redarmy]

Wenger today....

"You cannot be a fan until last Tuesday and not be a fan anymore and not be behind the team this Saturday, it doesn't make sense," Wenger said at his news conference on Thursday. "All the other clubs, everywhere we fight -- with Man United, Man City, Liverpool -- they have big expectations as well and big histories.

[NickF]

I am also a bit a unsure about being forgiving about the 'lean years', SK decided not to invest any of his money into the team, that was his choice and it cost us as fans, I am not sure I buy this self sustaining propaganda that Gazidis tries to preach, had money been invested by the owner when we really needed it he could have got it back during the better years, yes that would be a gamble, like a lot of investments, but we know by now what sort of owner he is - tight, ambitioness, bean counting c**t.

Guess it boils down to where you stand of self-subtaining. If you think the owner should be supporting the team out of his own pocket, that is fine, just don't give City and Chelsea sh*t about buying titles.

Ultimately during the "lean times" Wenger wasted a hell of a lot of money on substandard players, a policy which he continues to this day.

[Gunner Rob]

GREAT NEWS EVERYONE - WE ARE BACK IN THE TITLE RACE!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38918261

Delusional

[supergeorgegraham]

You can split Wengers Arsenal career in 2. Highbury years and Emirates years. In terms of so much they were different. Highbury years had a different board, George Graham players, no billionaire club owners, no mega mega wages and a different mentally of players because they were not all multi multi millionaires.
His first signings were pure class and cheap you don't see that these days apart from Kante to Leicester which won them the title.
We also played 442 which was far more exciting to watch than the boring dull shite of the Emirates years.
Emirates years include Kronke who will continue to kill Arsenal long after Wenger has gone. Players are given a fortune and our best players Ozil, Sanchez fail to impress in the big games. Henry did, Wright did, Bergkamp did, Vieira did, Adams did, Cambell did etc etc.
In the Emirates years which players has actually been our star who propelled us towards title and Champions League success ?
Wenger has to go because it has become boring and he will never taste success with Arsenal again. His formation is useless and so many of his players fail to match the history of this club with commitment and level of performance

Would this be the same Campbell that literally went AWOL against West Ham?
Most of the Emirate problems above are the fault of Wenger and also to an extent the board for indulging him.

We do have a fairly decent squad, which by rights should certainly be challenging for top honours, unfortuanely Wenger lost the art of getting the best out of a team a very long time ago.

O come on he had some sort of breakdown that season before that he was a major reason we went 49 unbeaten. Can't believe I spelt Campbell wrong !

[Kvltman]

The great paradox is coming when we get hammered by Bayern.

They say two things that inherently contradict each other. The first is, its Bayern Munich - you cant expect Wenger to beat Bayern Munich. The second thing is, that Wenger is a brilliant world class manager and we must give him a new contract.

It cant be both. You cant rationalize defeat and have no expectations of Wenger pulling off big results, whilst at the same time referring to him as a brilliant manager. How is it a manager who is never expected to beat top teams, or even be competitive in the league or Europe, is so revered and marveled?

Good point, didn't Atletico Madrid give Bayern some serious competition in last years CL?, they are a team with significantly less resources than Arsenal, let alone Bayern, yet seem to be able to hold their own against them most likely because they have a manager/coach that has them organised and motivated.

Have we ever beaten Bayern (over 2 legs)?, I seem to remember them knocking us out of the CL in the mid 2000's and of course twice recently, I'm not sure if we have played them before under Wenger?.

Makes me laugh when people/pundits come out with 'be careful what you wish for' etc. please explain what exactly is there to lose?, 13 years no title, no CL ever, so it seems the only thing to really lose, and just as likely not lose, is our top 4 spot, which is now less important because of the TV money for the PL rights and 90% of the fanbase don't care about it (under Wenger) because we can never win the CL anyway!!. Then they start referencing Man Utd/Moyes, how is that at all relevant?, Fergie won something like 4/5 titles and a CL in the time we were going through that period winning nothing!!.

I am also a bit a unsure about being forgiving about the 'lean years', SK decided not to invest any of his money into the team, that was his choice and it cost us as fans, I am not sure I buy this self sustaining propaganda that Gazidis tries to preach, had money been invested by the owner when we really needed it he could have got it back during the better years, yes that would be a gamble, like a lot of investments, but we know by now what sort of owner he is - tight, ambitioness, bean counting c**t.

Bayern also didn't lose to us in the 2nd group phase back in 2000/01. Where in the home game we blew a 2-0 lead to draw, and a limp dicked performance in a 1-0 defeat in Munich, both funnily enough!

Now reminds me of the time we needed to beat Juve a couple of years after that to qualify for the knockouts. Juve put out a youth and reserve team up against our very best and we still lost and went out.

Aside from the run to the final in 06 there is a case to be made that we have underachieved in Europe every season under Wenger, even when you think of the 04 team.

[augie]

My long standing position that joe hart is over-rated still stands so it's not that I am suggesting that we should buy him, but the suggestion that we already have 3 world class keepers is beyond ridiculous and up there amongst the most bizzare things the old c.unt has ever said

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/ ... n-joe-hart

[xisstential]

Wenger today....

"You cannot be a fan until last Tuesday and not be a fan anymore and not be behind the team this Saturday, it doesn't make sense," Wenger said at his news conference on Thursday. "All the other clubs, everywhere we fight -- with Man United, Man City, Liverpool -- they have big expectations as well and big histories.

Wenger's problem is that he cannot differentiate between himself and the club. He thinks because we are pissed, beyond pissed really, with him, we are no longer fans. Another of his little tricks...we are fickle,therefore not real fans. It's NOT the club. it's YOU....you and this pussy whipped team you have assembled that we are not fans of..

[Redarmy]

Wenger today....

"You cannot be a fan until last Tuesday and not be a fan anymore and not be behind the team this Saturday, it doesn't make sense," Wenger said at his news conference on Thursday. "All the other clubs, everywhere we fight -- with Man United, Man City, Liverpool -- they have big expectations as well and big histories.

what a fucking liberty...we are fans have been for years before you came, travelling up and down the country spending money we have not got ....and we will still be here years after you have gone...you money grabbing old miser

I want Arsenal to challenge for the title, make a real effort at Winning the CL and this will not happen whilst you are here you deluded patronising old wanker....

FUCK OFF WENGER....CLUELESS TOSSER

[DB10GOONER]

For Wenger to imply that being critical of his failings is to be not a real supporter is shameful and typical of the Pravda-like stylings of Modern Arsenal.

[Bradywasking]

For Wenger to imply that being critical of his failings is to be not a real supporter is shameful and typical of the Pravda-like stylings of Modern Arsenal.

Also of Arsene FC fanbase, yesterday on Twitter one genius praised Wenger for not leaving Arsenal during the last 20 years despite massive offers from other top clubs..Tweet went onto say Wenger is loyal to Project Arsenal... Great reply was (paraphrasing) " Thankfully Wenger wasn't in charge of Project Stonehenge it wouldn't be built yet"
I saw some of his press conference today and I was torn between wanting to put a chair through the TV or actually admiring Wenger for his neck to sit there and spout his clichés. He dismissed the actions of "one fan" with the usual "look we look forward" ..
Was it Churchill that said on VE Day " we have won the war not let us win the peace" ? The demise of Wenger will be similar, every hack and AKB will be patiently waiting for the new manager's first defeat..It is already happening with Liverpool's recent dip in form..AKBs saying "and you wanted Klopp at the Emirates" Same happened last season when Atletico lost the Champions League Final.. Simeone was laughed at by the Wengerites because he was a favoured replacement of Wenger by the dissenters. The fools couldn't see the irony of their Messiah never winning a European trophy.
When he goes, hopefully this Summer although I'm not too hopeful, the aftermath could be as nasty as it is now..Unless the new manager does a Conte the knives will still be out, just from the opposite side.

[DB10GOONER]

BWK great post buddy. I have no doubt at all that when Wenger finally does go the new manager will be on a hiding to nothing. Unless he wins either the PL or CL in his first season the AKB sheep will be in uproar with self righteous indignation and the amount of "we told you so" bollocks on twatter and Arsenal forums may actually break the Internet.

[rodders999]

Wenger thinks fan dissatisfaction began 9 days ago. Mental

Try 9 years mate.

When questioned about the banner -

It is not me that is at stake - it is Arsenal Football Club

GOD COMPLEX

[Bradywasking]

BWK great post buddy. I have no doubt at all that when Wenger finally does go the new manager will be on a hiding to nothing. Unless he wins either the PL or CL in his first season the AKB sheep will be in uproar with self righteous indignation and the amount of "we told you so" bollocks on twatter and Arsenal forums may actually break the Internet.

Thought has just struck me that we Arsenal fans who want change do nor necessarily have to be loyal to the new manager.. Certainly give him a chance and give him time a season or two or even three if necessary.. What we are not saying is anyone will do..We are not nailing our colours to any mast. If the new manager is more Moyes than Conte then nothing changes as we want our club to be competitive. It is not just enough to remove Wenger, the staleness of the comfort zone must also end..The new manager has to be in charge and the club must make progress and become competitive.
Otherwise we protest again. It is initially about getting Wenger out, but that would be pointless without progression.
I firmly believe no man should be allowed manage Arsenal for as long again, even if successful.

[NickF]

BWK great post buddy. I have no doubt at all that when Wenger finally does go the new manager will be on a hiding to nothing. Unless he wins either the PL or CL in his first season the AKB sheep will be in uproar with self righteous indignation and the amount of "we told you so" bollocks on twatter and Arsenal forums may actually break the Internet.

This forum is very much Wenger-out so at least they won't moan on here.

[Perryashburtongroves]

Wenger today....

"You cannot be a fan until last Tuesday and not be a fan anymore and not be behind the team this Saturday, it doesn't make sense," Wenger said at his news conference on Thursday. "All the other clubs, everywhere we fight -- with Man United, Man City, Liverpool -- they have big expectations as well and big histories.

This fucking *word censored* is obsessed with other clubs. Always using them to justify his own failings. Remember last year, when the fraud starting getting all lippy and said we should all be like the bindippers? Interesting that he uses the three teams in the example above. Manure and the dippers have 8 European Cups between and City have won the league twice in the last five years. He would have been booted out years ago at all three of those teams.