Bob Bayliss wrote:armchair wrote:augie wrote:For the life of me I really cannot understand the claims from some fans that criticism from fans doesn't affect wenker, and to me it just smacks like an excuse to wave the white flag and not bother trying to drive him out
Nobody has claimed that wenger will throw an absolute hissy fit and walk out of the club just like that, but how many times have we seen him snipe back and lose the rag when he is challenged by fans and/or journo's ? He has NEVER reacted well to being questioned on his decisions, and if nothing else it makes him look like a petulant c.unt when he reacts to criticism. In my opinion it also sends a message to the players in the squad that are pissed off with wenker, that the fans are not on wengers side either. I also believe that a sustained spell of criticism/protests, will chip away at wenger and maybe, just maybe, will help nudge him towards the door
If some fans don't want to do anything to TRY and force the senile old c.unt out, then that's their prerogative, but please refrain to telling the rest that they are wasting their time protesting
100% mate.
Tired of hearing this "Wenger will leave when he wants" talk. And the attempts to belittle the banners. Bad enough hearing it from AKB's and ill-informed lazy journos. But so-called WOBs seem to feel the need to sit behind their keyboards sneering and poo-pooing the attempts to actually do something tangeable.
Demoralising.
Absolutely spot on. There is no guarantee that protests, banners, songs, chants will tip the balance. But there is evidence that he is now in a much more fragile frame of mind than in previous seasons, and that fan pressure and reaction could actually prove the difference. So why there are so many posts on this thread from so-called "Wenger Out" advocates trying to pour cold water on attempts to get some momentum going I can't fathom. I am beginning to wonder if some of these people are really as
committed to him going as they claim.
I would just like to take issue with the word
commited.
A lot of the posts on this thread are from fans who rarely attend matches now... fed up with having to suffer the dross that is now regularly served up.
I like many others have relinquished my 2 season tickets vowing not to return to the concrete bowl until the senile old
has fucked off! In fact I will not return until wonky Kroenke has fucked off too. I will not spend one penny more of my hard earned to support the majority shareholder and the board who are both complicit in allowing Wenger to continue as manager, when it is clear to see that he is no longer capable of managing at a top level club and yes we are still a top level club.
I have no doubt that this team would achieve much more under a different manager but it would appear this is not a view held by the board, the media, ex players and a lot of our fanbase... with the mantra "BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR" being trotted out at any sign of fan discontent.
Another reason you see very little fan unrest at home games is that the minute you chant anything remotely anti Wenger you are either A) Set upon by a bunch of Wenger apologists acting like a pack of rabid dogs or B) Not very politely asked to leave by the stewards acting on the boards instructions to not allow any kind of anti Wenger rhetoric!
The bowl is now full of tourists and those together with the corporate twats that spend more time stuffing their faces than watching the game, have nothing to complain about because they are only there on a fucking jolly anyway.
I think what DB10 is saying is pretty much how many of us feel... you can have as many Wenger out banners, chants and protests as you like but the deluded old fool will not go until he's good and ready, and if you think the board have got the bollocks to sack him your in for a very rude awakening!
In my opinion our away fans who seem to be a bit more open to protest need to really up their game and get on his back a bit more, as for home games don't go and don't sell your tickets back... the more empty seats the better all the time you have a full stadium there is no incentive for change.
I have to admit there is an apathy that has set in amongst those of us who have yearned for change for many seasons, in my case I started doubting Wenger around 2010 and the straw that broke the camels back?.... 22/01/2012 at home to manure.
A young and raw Alex Oxlade Chamberlain causing Rafeal on a yellow card all kinds of problems, crossed for the equaliser swept home by Van Persie. A lot of us thought we could push on then and score a second, but what did Wenger do... less than 3 minutes later the Ox was off and the fat lazy Russian on, the look of disgust on Van Persies face said it all.
A substitution yet again made because of the time not the match situation... Arshavin was soon to make a mistake which led to manures 2nd and winning goal.
I remember well the abuse aimed in Wengers direction by quite a few fans at the time including myself... his tactical ineptitude and poor in game management laid bare for all to see, at least for those who wanted to see it.... To many apologists still refuse to acknowledge Wengers failings and continue to bang on about past glories in the distant past rather than looking at whats happening right in front of them....
Sorry I appear to of gone off at a tangent.
I guess what I am trying to say is just because some of us doubt the old
will ever leave doesn't mean we don't want him out and we all have our own ways of dealing with that... for some it's protests, chants, banners and plenty of anger... for others perhaps a more chilled out and slightly less stressful approach but ultimately we all have the same goal.
