THE WENGER THREAD

[OneBardGooner]

Although the Banners and Dissent of any kind may not actually be the thing/s that get the cun.t out of our club, they still have a purpose in that just like a trickle of water will over time make a groove or dip in a stone so they will over time remind the cun.ts at the club that All Is Not Well, that those who know the clubs true agenda are still very much alive and well and to varying degrees keep the notion on the media's horizon that there are still those who want Wenger OUT!

It is about the long game - which is why there are those individuals or groups in the world who continue with their campaigns and protests over many, many years - because they know they are right and they refuse to be silenced and go away.

Everybody but the thickest of cun.ts (ie AKB's) Know full well what is going on - That the club's first priority is Profit and Trophies Second and they because that is the Mandate of the Owner will do all in their power - which is considerable - to ensure that status quo remains un-apposed and in place.

It is what dictatorships do - it is what governments do - it is what the multi-nationals do. And The Arsenal we all once knew is no longer that which we loved, it is a Franchise, a money making business that has decided Profit before trophies, but doing just enough to stay at the higher echelon's of the football business - whilst maintaining maximum profitability.

Wenger will go when he decides - He is the perfect accomplice of an owner who sees sports as no more than a means to get rich/er and more powerful within the business world.

I Hate It and I (now) Hate Them.

[Redarmy]

sorry to piss on your chips guys.....BUT In my opinion he's staying....

My own opinion is he is trying to beat or equal Ferguson's stay at United, just so he can be remembered for his longevity

Dont think we will win the Title or CL under Wenger in the coming years

The contract is there waiting to be signed....Just waiting for the right time to announce it....probably at end of season with the Top 4 finish

Bottom line is this forum is very much in the minority....he still has huge support at the Emirates and the club and Wenger are clever at manipulating the situation....also as we have previously seen cannot rely on the media for any balanced reporting as regards protests

Good luck on the protests front....i will never go to the corporate bowl again whilst he is there...no loss....thousands of tourists ready to take the seats

off track here but noticed on MOTD at the Sunderland match the board at the edge of the ground with the words

Howay the Lads

on it....rather humorous if you had previously been to Roker Park and witnessed the atmosphere...

[Wilson]

Although the Banners and Dissent of any kind may not actually be the thing/s that get the cun.t out of our club, they still have a purpose in that just like a trickle of water will over time make a groove or dip in a stone so they will over time remind the cun.ts at the club that All Is Not Well, that those who know the clubs true agenda are still very much alive and well and to varying degrees keep the notion on the media's horizon that there are still those who want Wenger OUT!

It is about the long game - which is why there are those individuals or groups in the world who continue with their campaigns and protests over many, many years - because they know they are right and they refuse to be silenced and go away.

Everybody but the thickest of cun.ts (ie AKB's) Know full well what is going on - That the club's first priority is Profit and Trophies Second and they because that is the Mandate of the Owner will do all in their power - which is considerable - to ensure that status quo remains un-apposed and in place.

It is what dictatorships do - it is what governments do - it is what the multi-nationals do. And The Arsenal we all once knew is no longer that which we loved, it is a Franchise, a money making business that has decided Profit before trophies, but doing just enough to stay at the higher echelon's of the football business - whilst maintaining maximum profitability.

Wenger will go when he decides - He is the perfect accomplice of an owner who sees sports as no more than a means to get rich/er and more powerful within the business world.

I Hate It and I (now) Hate Them.

Wengers habits existed long before Kroenke took over the club. Agreed we have a passive owner who sees Arsenal FC as simply an asset in his portfolio. However, Wenger has been known to shun reality for a long time.

It all started not long after the invincible season. We lost Henry, Vieira, Campbell, Cole, Lehmann (got shit), Pires, Bergkamp, Lauren in quick succession, and we didnt sign any significant players to replace them. Adebayor replaced Henry, Cesc (who was 18 at the time) replaced Vieira, Hleb replaced Pires, Clichy (who was 19) replaced Cole, Eboue replaced Lauren, Almunia replaced Lehmann. Moreover, the only significant players we brought in aftermath of the post the invincible era, were Rosicky and Gallas (who cost us Cole).

Wenger was so arrogant with an unapologetic belief in his own ability, he only brought in two big names despite 7-8 world class players leaving in a short period of time. The top players were mostly replaced by 'kids'. Wenger was convinced of his own brilliance - to the point he thought he could conquer England and Europe with these young players. And even as each year went by and it became apparent that it was beyond possible, he dug in and persisted and persisted and persisted.

This was when the cracks started to appear - when he buried his head in the sand and persisted with Eboue, Denilson, Adebayor, Almunia ect. Wenger sold himself the idea these players were brilliant simply because he brought them to the club - in his mind, he is a genius who has vision others dont. So when the critics spoke against Arsenal, Wenger brushed them of as in his mind, he is on another level in terms of vision, and the critics just dont understand his brilliance.

This has been the case, right up until this very moment. Wenger simply sees himself as a visionary without faults. He doesnt listen to criticism or accept advice, because he sees himself above everyone else. He is arrogant, dismissive, condescending, and petulant. Ferguson wrote in his autobiography that Wenger's brain got 'scrambled' not long after the invincible season, and he is right. Wenger develop a religious belief in his own ability as manager, and changed from a manager who played 4-4-2 with players in their natural position. Most of Wengers players were close to 6ft or over, physically strong and aggressive. There was no obsession with trying to score the perfect goal, or obsession with trying to keep possession. However, after Wenger's brain snapped, he turned into an obsessive perfectionist pursuing tippy tappy shit and preferred technical midgets in midfield and said stupid things like tackling should be outlawed.

As Ferguson deduced, Wenger's brain snapped as for some reason, he abandoned everything that made him so successful in the first 8 years, in favour of this failing philosophy, and rather than pivot back to what made him so successful in the first 8 years, he simply persists with the failing philosophy.

Wenger is broken, and Kroenke is a smaller problem than the mad professor we have as manager.

[StuartL]

Although the Banners and Dissent of any kind may not actually be the thing/s that get the cun.t out of our club, they still have a purpose in that just like a trickle of water will over time make a groove or dip in a stone so they will over time remind the cun.ts at the club that All Is Not Well, that those who know the clubs true agenda are still very much alive and well and to varying degrees keep the notion on the media's horizon that there are still those who want Wenger OUT!

It is about the long game - which is why there are those individuals or groups in the world who continue with their campaigns and protests over many, many years - because they know they are right and they refuse to be silenced and go away.

Everybody but the thickest of cun.ts (ie AKB's) Know full well what is going on - That the club's first priority is Profit and Trophies Second and they because that is the Mandate of the Owner will do all in their power - which is considerable - to ensure that status quo remains un-apposed and in place.

It is what dictatorships do - it is what governments do - it is what the multi-nationals do. And The Arsenal we all once knew is no longer that which we loved, it is a Franchise, a money making business that has decided Profit before trophies, but doing just enough to stay at the higher echelon's of the football business - whilst maintaining maximum profitability.

Wenger will go when he decides - He is the perfect accomplice of an owner who sees sports as no more than a means to get rich/er and more powerful within the business world.

I Hate It and I (now) Hate Them.

Wengers habits existed long before Kroenke took over the club. Agreed we have a passive owner who sees Arsenal FC as simply an asset in his portfolio. However, Wenger has been known to shun reality for a long time.

It all started not long after the invincible season. We lost Henry, Vieira, Campbell, Cole, Lehmann (got shit), Pires, Bergkamp, Lauren in quick succession, and we didnt sign any significant players to replace them. Adebayor replaced Henry, Cesc (who was 18 at the time) replaced Vieira, Hleb replaced Pires, Clichy (who was 19) replaced Cole, Eboue replaced Lauren, Almunia replaced Lehmann. Moreover, the only significant players we brought in aftermath of the post the invincible era, were Rosicky and Gallas (who cost us Cole).

Wenger was so arrogant with an unapologetic belief in his own ability, he only brought in two big names despite 7-8 world class players leaving in a short period of time. The top players were mostly replaced by 'kids'. Wenger was convinced of his own brilliance - to the point he thought he could conquer England and Europe with these young players. And even as each year went by and it became apparent that it was beyond possible, he dug in and persisted and persisted and persisted.

This was when the cracks started to appear - when he buried his head in the sand and persisted with Eboue, Denilson, Adebayor, Almunia ect. Wenger sold himself the idea these players were brilliant simply because he brought them to the club - in his mind, he is a genius who has vision others dont. So when the critics spoke against Arsenal, Wenger brushed them of as in his mind, he is on another level in terms of vision, and the critics just dont understand his brilliance.

This has been the case, right up until this very moment. Wenger simply sees himself as a visionary without faults. He doesnt listen to criticism or accept advice, because he sees himself above everyone else. He is arrogant, dismissive, condescending, and petulant. Ferguson wrote in his autobiography that Wenger's brain got 'scrambled' not long after the invincible season, and he is right. Wenger develop a religious belief in his own ability as manager, and changed from a manager who played 4-4-2 with players in their natural position. Most of Wengers players were close to 6ft or over, physically strong and aggressive. There was no obsession with trying to score the perfect goal, or obsession with trying to keep possession. However, after Wenger's brain snapped, he turned into an obsessive perfectionist pursuing tippy tappy shit and preferred technical midgets in midfield and said stupid things like tackling should be outlawed.

As Ferguson deduced, Wenger's brain snapped as for some reason, he abandoned everything that made him so successful in the first 8 years, in favour of this failing philosophy, and rather than pivot back to what made him so successful in the first 8 years, he simply persists with the failing philosophy.

Wenger is broken, and Kroenke is a smaller problem than the mad professor we have as manager.

I think he got upset that Barcelona became the "beautiful football " team with their style of play and he attempted (and failed) to reproduce it, the closest he got was RVP, Fabregas, Hleb,era when we undoubtedly played the best football in England but had a soft underbelly and either got bullied (which was actually encouraged by the media) or just couldn't cope physically - think Birmingham, Stoke etc.
Nowadays teams don't have to kick us off the park they just need to catch us on a break when both fullbacks are further upfield than our midfield, or run straight through our soft middle.

[armchair]

Just totally cant stand Keown now. Its like his sole purpose on TV is to support Wenger and insist he has the right to choose when to leave. Nauseating.
Then in the very next breath says "Conte is a serial trophy winner. Put good players with a great manager and you have a winning combination" (paraphrasing).
Yea Keown in case you hadnt noticed Chelsea had to embrace change to progress and Conte is a new, young, fresh manager. Unlike the tired, old incompetent you continually praise.

He is just as bad as John Cross. Just spouts total rose-tinted shite about Wengers past achievements. Sooo irrelevent and aggrivating

[Blood_Gooner]

ArmchAir I have tremendous respect for the banners and encouragement for any dissent

But it doesn't change my unshaken view that it will be Wenger's choice when he goes because the board will never have the stones to sack him or not offer him a whopping great extension.

I have no doubt that when Wenger goes (May 2017 ), thats how it'll be spun. That it was Wengers decision and his alone. But dont underestimate the effect the negative publicity has, is, and will continue to have on him and board members. Some of whom are not conmitted to him.

Honestly couldn't give a toss how it's spun as long as we get get shot of him.

[OneBardGooner]

Although the Banners and Dissent of any kind may not actually be the thing/s that get the cun.t out of our club, they still have a purpose in that just like a trickle of water will over time make a groove or dip in a stone so they will over time remind the cun.ts at the club that All Is Not Well, that those who know the clubs true agenda are still very much alive and well and to varying degrees keep the notion on the media's horizon that there are still those who want Wenger OUT!

It is about the long game - which is why there are those individuals or groups in the world who continue with their campaigns and protests over many, many years - because they know they are right and they refuse to be silenced and go away.

Everybody but the thickest of cun.ts (ie AKB's) Know full well what is going on - That the club's first priority is Profit and Trophies Second and they because that is the Mandate of the Owner will do all in their power - which is considerable - to ensure that status quo remains un-apposed and in place.

It is what dictatorships do - it is what governments do - it is what the multi-nationals do. And The Arsenal we all once knew is no longer that which we loved, it is a Franchise, a money making business that has decided Profit before trophies, but doing just enough to stay at the higher echelon's of the football business - whilst maintaining maximum profitability.

Wenger will go when he decides - He is the perfect accomplice of an owner who sees sports as no more than a means to get rich/er and more powerful within the business world.

I Hate It and I (now) Hate Them.

Wengers habits existed long before Kroenke took over the club. Agreed we have a passive owner who sees Arsenal FC as simply an asset in his portfolio. However, Wenger has been known to shun reality for a long time.

It all started not long after the invincible season. We lost Henry, Vieira, Campbell, Cole, Lehmann (got shit), Pires, Bergkamp, Lauren in quick succession, and we didnt sign any significant players to replace them. Adebayor replaced Henry, Cesc (who was 18 at the time) replaced Vieira, Hleb replaced Pires, Clichy (who was 19) replaced Cole, Eboue replaced Lauren, Almunia replaced Lehmann. Moreover, the only significant players we brought in aftermath of the post the invincible era, were Rosicky and Gallas (who cost us Cole).

Wenger was so arrogant with an unapologetic belief in his own ability, he only brought in two big names despite 7-8 world class players leaving in a short period of time. The top players were mostly replaced by 'kids'. Wenger was convinced of his own brilliance - to the point he thought he could conquer England and Europe with these young players. And even as each year went by and it became apparent that it was beyond possible, he dug in and persisted and persisted and persisted.

This was when the cracks started to appear - when he buried his head in the sand and persisted with Eboue, Denilson, Adebayor, Almunia ect. Wenger sold himself the idea these players were brilliant simply because he brought them to the club - in his mind, he is a genius who has vision others dont. So when the critics spoke against Arsenal, Wenger brushed them of as in his mind, he is on another level in terms of vision, and the critics just dont understand his brilliance.

This has been the case, right up until this very moment. Wenger simply sees himself as a visionary without faults. He doesnt listen to criticism or accept advice, because he sees himself above everyone else. He is arrogant, dismissive, condescending, and petulant. Ferguson wrote in his autobiography that Wenger's brain got 'scrambled' not long after the invincible season, and he is right. Wenger develop a religious belief in his own ability as manager, and changed from a manager who played 4-4-2 with players in their natural position. Most of Wengers players were close to 6ft or over, physically strong and aggressive. There was no obsession with trying to score the perfect goal, or obsession with trying to keep possession. However, after Wenger's brain snapped, he turned into an obsessive perfectionist pursuing tippy tappy shit and preferred technical midgets in midfield and said stupid things like tackling should be outlawed.

As Ferguson deduced, Wenger's brain snapped as for some reason, he abandoned everything that made him so successful in the first 8 years, in favour of this failing philosophy, and rather than pivot back to what made him so successful in the first 8 years, he simply persists with the failing philosophy.

Wenger is broken, and Kroenke is a smaller problem than the mad professor we have as manager.

Not quite accurate, Wenger is the problem yes, but part of that problem is that Wiggy is keeping him in charge - Any other owner who who was keen to have a club that is/was successful both off the pitch (Financially) and on the pitch (Winning Trophies) would have re-moved Wenger at least 7 seasons ago. They are part of an in-divisable problem who have such a complete grip on all aspects of the club that the fans have no say. The reason Wenger has control over so much of the club is that Wiggy knows he will make him a regular and constant profit - even though it means the satisfaction of the fans by winning trophies & titles. Wiggy is not the kind to 'speculate' in the hope of achieving his aims - He Always bets safe.
Until Wenger is finally Gone - the two cannot be separated - one supports and backs the other. If Wenger had any 'Honour' about him he wuld have walked long time ago, but he is a despotic. narcissistic, egomaniac so out of touch with the fan base and the real aims of a football club & team- hence the 'deluded' references being accurate.

[OneBardGooner]

Just totally cant stand Keown now. Its like his sole purpose on TV is to support Wenger and insist he has the right to choose when to leave. Nauseating.
Then in the very next breath says "Conte is a serial trophy winner. Put good players with a great manager and you have a winning combination" (paraphrasing).
Yea Keown in case you hadnt noticed Chelsea had to embrace change to progress and Conte is a new, young, fresh manager. Unlike the tired, old incompetent you continually praise.

He is just as bad as John Cross. Just spouts total rose-tinted shite about Wengers past achievements. Sooo irrelevent and aggrivating

Keown - just like many of the old players - sold out long ago. The thing is just because someone was a good player doesn't mean their current opinion is worth anything. Most are just riding the gravy train, without causing any ripples and reaping the rewards for doing so, sickening really, but is the world we have made for ourselves.

[Brady's left peg]

Although the Banners and Dissent of any kind may not actually be the thing/s that get the cun.t out of our club, they still have a purpose in that just like a trickle of water will over time make a groove or dip in a stone so they will over time remind the cun.ts at the club that All Is Not Well, that those who know the clubs true agenda are still very much alive and well and to varying degrees keep the notion on the media's horizon that there are still those who want Wenger OUT!

It is about the long game - which is why there are those individuals or groups in the world who continue with their campaigns and protests over many, many years - because they know they are right and they refuse to be silenced and go away.

Everybody but the thickest of cun.ts (ie AKB's) Know full well what is going on - That the club's first priority is Profit and Trophies Second and they because that is the Mandate of the Owner will do all in their power - which is considerable - to ensure that status quo remains un-apposed and in place.

It is what dictatorships do - it is what governments do - it is what the multi-nationals do. And The Arsenal we all once knew is no longer that which we loved, it is a Franchise, a money making business that has decided Profit before trophies, but doing just enough to stay at the higher echelon's of the football business - whilst maintaining maximum profitability.

Wenger will go when he decides - He is the perfect accomplice of an owner who sees sports as no more than a means to get rich/er and more powerful within the business world.

I Hate It and I (now) Hate Them.

Wengers habits existed long before Kroenke took over the club. Agreed we have a passive owner who sees Arsenal FC as simply an asset in his portfolio. However, Wenger has been known to shun reality for a long time.

It all started not long after the invincible season. We lost Henry, Vieira, Campbell, Cole, Lehmann (got shit), Pires, Bergkamp, Lauren in quick succession, and we didnt sign any significant players to replace them. Adebayor replaced Henry, Cesc (who was 18 at the time) replaced Vieira, Hleb replaced Pires, Clichy (who was 19) replaced Cole, Eboue replaced Lauren, Almunia replaced Lehmann. Moreover, the only significant players we brought in aftermath of the post the invincible era, were Rosicky and Gallas (who cost us Cole).

Wenger was so arrogant with an unapologetic belief in his own ability, he only brought in two big names despite 7-8 world class players leaving in a short period of time. The top players were mostly replaced by 'kids'. Wenger was convinced of his own brilliance - to the point he thought he could conquer England and Europe with these young players. And even as each year went by and it became apparent that it was beyond possible, he dug in and persisted and persisted and persisted.

This was when the cracks started to appear - when he buried his head in the sand and persisted with Eboue, Denilson, Adebayor, Almunia ect. Wenger sold himself the idea these players were brilliant simply because he brought them to the club - in his mind, he is a genius who has vision others dont. So when the critics spoke against Arsenal, Wenger brushed them of as in his mind, he is on another level in terms of vision, and the critics just dont understand his brilliance.

This has been the case, right up until this very moment. Wenger simply sees himself as a visionary without faults. He doesnt listen to criticism or accept advice, because he sees himself above everyone else. He is arrogant, dismissive, condescending, and petulant. Ferguson wrote in his autobiography that Wenger's brain got 'scrambled' not long after the invincible season, and he is right. Wenger develop a religious belief in his own ability as manager, and changed from a manager who played 4-4-2 with players in their natural position. Most of Wengers players were close to 6ft or over, physically strong and aggressive. There was no obsession with trying to score the perfect goal, or obsession with trying to keep possession. However, after Wenger's brain snapped, he turned into an obsessive perfectionist pursuing tippy tappy shit and preferred technical midgets in midfield and said stupid things like tackling should be outlawed.

As Ferguson deduced, Wenger's brain snapped as for some reason, he abandoned everything that made him so successful in the first 8 years, in favour of this failing philosophy, and rather than pivot back to what made him so successful in the first 8 years, he simply persists with the failing philosophy.

Wenger is broken, and Kroenke is a smaller problem than the mad professor we have as manager.

Not quite accurate, Wenger is the problem yes, but part of that problem is that Wiggy is keeping him in charge - Any other owner who who was keen to have a club that is/was successful both off the pitch (Financially) and on the pitch (Winning Trophies) would have re-moved Wenger at least 7 seasons ago. They are part of an in-divisable problem who have such a complete grip on all aspects of the club that the fans have no say. The reason Wenger has control over so much of the club is that Wiggy knows he will make him a regular and constant profit - even though it means the satisfaction of the fans by winning trophies & titles. Wiggy is not the kind to 'speculate' in the hope of achieving his aims - He Always bets safe.
Until Wenger is finally Gone - the two cannot be separated - one supports and backs the other. If Wenger had any 'Honour' about him he wuld have walked long time ago, but he is a despotic. narcissistic, egomaniac so out of touch with the fan base and the real aims of a football club & team- hence the 'deluded' references being accurate.

This 100%!
They both support each other.... wiggy will not kill the goose that lays the golden egg. Wenger has an easy life from wiggy and the board as long as he finishes top 4...
Chumps league = golden egg.
The only way to get shot of the deluded senile old fool is for wiggy to get hit hard in the pocket... but with an army of sheep blindly following Wenger and filling the bowl every week, coupled together with the Armoury full of tourists clearing the place out... wiggy's laughing all the way to the bank... and the old cun.ts going knowhere!

[OneBardGooner]

Just totally cant stand Keown now. Its like his sole purpose on TV is to support Wenger and insist he has the right to choose when to leave. Nauseating.
Then in the very next breath says "Conte is a serial trophy winner. Put good players with a great manager and you have a winning combination" (paraphrasing).
Yea Keown in case you hadnt noticed Chelsea had to embrace change to progress and Conte is a new, young, fresh manager. Unlike the tired, old incompetent you continually praise.

He is just as bad as John Cross. Just spouts total rose-tinted shite about Wengers past achievements. Sooo irrelevent and aggrivating

Keown - just like many of the old players - sold out long ago. The thing is just because someone was a good player doesn't mean their current opinion is worth anything. Most are just riding the gravy train, without causing any ripples and reaping the rewards for doing so, sickening really, but is the world we have made for ourselves.

If proof were ever needed...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38950326


Keown = C.Unt

[OneBardGooner]

From BBC Website:

Former Arsenal defender Martin Keown on Match of the Day 2 Extra:

"What Wenger has to decide is, 'has he come to end of road in terms of his managerial qualities?'. I do feel if he was to go now, without a success plan, it would be too soon.

"I don't think the board and the club are ready for him to go.

"That end is coming but maybe it needs another one or two years. Wenger should be part of the decision around the next manager who comes in - who should be in the same mould.

"Everyone is thinking that the grass is greener but will it be any better under another manager? While you have got such a good man there I believe they will hang on to him.

"I am disappointed in what has been done on the pitch but also, we are realistic.

"Chelsea came in with their millions, Manchester City did it and they both changed the landscape.

"Leicester showed that to win the league you don't need money and that will hurt Wenger. He can't quite get the recipe right and that is the biggest mystery for me."


Why Oh!The feck why? do these players think they have the greater knowledge or understanding of Wenger , the fans, the situation. The club have had 10 years at least to put a replacement plan in place - The reason they haven't is because Wenger has not given his agreement - it is HE who decides, and (sadly) it will be him the inept cun.t who chooses his successor.

Wenger has changed, the world has changed since Keown was a player - If he knows and reads the game so well why can't he and the rest of the gravy train riders 'See' the glaringly obvious that wenger has had his time in the Sun, he is out-dated, out-moded...he is Past It!.

These cun.ts do more harm than good.

[VoiceOfReason]

Although the Banners and Dissent of any kind may not actually be the thing/s that get the cun.t out of our club, they still have a purpose in that just like a trickle of water will over time make a groove or dip in a stone so they will over time remind the cun.ts at the club that All Is Not Well, that those who know the clubs true agenda are still very much alive and well and to varying degrees keep the notion on the media's horizon that there are still those who want Wenger OUT!

Exactly. Remember, this latest wave of pressure mostly came about as a result of the one, single Wenger Out banner displayed at Chelsea, and Neville's reaction to it... something relatively small in the grand scheme of things. And look at how much media coverage it generated. It's definitely worth making our voices heard as you never know where it could lead.

[Bob Bayliss]

Ian Wright is not someone I particularly rate as a football pundit. He can be vacuous, over-emotional, and his analytical skills are somewhat limited. My abiding memory of his first stint with the BBC was when he was asked to provide some insightful comments at the end of Northern Ireland's 1-0 win against England. He was literally (and embarrassingly) lost for words, and it was some years until he was recalled from the subs' bench.

In the current climate, however, he has stood out like a breath of fresh air among the likes of Keown and (to a slightly lesser extent) Smith, Merson, Dixon and Henry who won't tell it as it is and call time on the great Svengali. He pleasantly surprised me on last night's MOTD, when I had expected him to backtrack on his account of his conversation with Wenger two days earlier, after Wenger had emerged from the Press Conference following the inevitable flat-track bullying of the mighty Hull City to state hat rumours of his departure were premature, but Wrighty pretty much stuck to his guns and said that he felt it was time for change.

So credit where it's due: Wrighty is (at the moment) my Arsenal pundit of choice, a prince among the sycophants. I am sure I will put him back on mute once Wenger has finally been replaced, but for now he is well worth listening to.

[Bob Bayliss]

Ian Wright is not someone I particularly rate as a football pundit. He can be vacuous, over-emotional, and his analytical skills are somewhat limited. My abiding memory of his first stint with the BBC was when he was asked to provide some insightful comments at the end of Northern Ireland's 1-0 win against England. He was literally (and embarrassingly) lost for words, and it was some years until he was recalled from the subs' bench.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... ester.html

In the current climate, however, he has stood out like a breath of fresh air among the likes of Keown and (to a slightly lesser extent) Smith, Merson, Dixon and Henry who won't tell it as it is and call time on the great Svengali. He pleasantly surprised me on last night's MOTD, when I had expected him to backtrack on his account of his conversation with Wenger two days earlier, after Wenger had emerged from the Press Conference following the inevitable flat-track bullying of the mighty Hull City to state that rumours of his departure were premature, but Wrighty pretty much stuck to his guns and said that he felt it was time for change.

So credit where it's due: Wrighty is (at the moment) my Arsenal pundit of choice, a prince among the sycophants. I am sure I will put him back on mute once Wenger has finally been replaced, but for now he is well worth listening to.

[northbank123]

ArmchAir I have tremendous respect for the banners and encouragement for any dissent

But it doesn't change my unshaken view that it will be Wenger's choice when he goes because the board will never have the stones to sack him or not offer him a whopping great extension.

I have no doubt that when Wenger goes (May 2017 ), thats how it'll be spun. That it was Wengers decision and his alone. But dont underestimate the effect the negative publicity has, is, and will continue to have on him and board members. Some of whom are not conmitted to him.

I don't disagree about the negative publicity re Wenger. I'm not saying it doesn't have an effect (because Wenger visibly resiles when questioned about evident fan dissent), just that it won't affect the board who will always offer him a whacking great new deal.

Also agree about the spin when he leaves. When Wenger goes it will never be with an admission than he isn't the best bloke for the job any more. It will be that he is moving to a new challenge or whatever.

Sadly pathetic man.