THE WENGER THREAD

[rjw1985]

And in the last 10 years? do you think he stopped taking a salary in 2007?

Would not expect him to work for free and as the most successful manager we have ever known he deserves to be paid extremely well

Within the last 10 years:
2 x FA Cups
Kept us in the CL for 20 years in a row

FFS mate. This 20 years in the Champions League bullshit.

Qualifying for a competition 20 years in a row but never winning it is not a sign of strength - it's letting everyone know 20 times that there is always somebody better than you.

If Wenger was as great as you try to portray, and with the resources he's had - surely he'd have worked out how to win it by now!!

I'd have more respect for you if you said simply "I respect him for what he did 1996 - 2005" because there is NO other reason to defend the man.

I'm not here for your respect and don't give a fuck what your opinion of me is, the debate is about Wenger not me. My opinion is he deserves better from so called fans - you disagree so what?

I also respect the 2 FA cups in a row he recently won for our club, no mean feat in itself.

20 years in the CL is a massive achievement IMO and we were very close to winning it but had a bit of bad luck. Suppose you fickle fuckers would say we got to the final in spite of him and then lost it because of him!

Hold your horses there mate. You are new here. Don't start down that "fickle fucker" road or you won't be here long. You know nothing about the people on this forum. Who the fuck are you to question anyone's loyalty or credibility? You seem to equate loyalty to Wenger with loyalty to the club. They are (and should be) two very different things.

No lets take it back as step, as a new member to this forum I have been insulted a number of times for having a differing opinion from you and others, that's not very good form is it? Then crying over being called fickle, catch yourself on. If you can't take it don't give it out.

[rjw1985]

rjw 1985 past glories count for little,keeping a manager who was once great out of sympathy or because of memories is ridiculous,Arsenal football club has stood still for 10 years now,do you think we can win another title under Wenger let alone the CL?? Remember Nottingham Forest and Brian Clough? they won the league and conquered Europe,something weve never managed but after the glory years came the steady decline with mid table mediocrity followed by relegation,do you think looking back that forest were right to keep clough as manager even when they were garbage and the football was dire?the brainwashed forest fans thought he was the messiah,ask them now how they feel and if clough should have gone earlier,with a clear head I think you will find they realise now that he was finished years before he retired,it looks pretty sad looking back to think they kept faith in him even though they were failing at every level,well we are the new Nottingham Forest,the glory years are long gone,everybody else is hoovering up the trophies while we stagnate,Wenger has to go,sentiment cant be allowed to cloud your judgement,he is no longer a coveted manager,more of a figure to poke fun at,and with just 3 months left on his contract why is no other club banging down the door to hire him??

Yeah cos it's all been rosy at Nottingham Forest since he left

Yes I think he can win the PL again or CL, that's why I'm backing him

[rjw1985]

2 fa cups in spite of the manager not because of, unluckily for the rest of us he threw the kitchen sink on in the last one and his lovechild ramsey got him a contract extension.
Continuous CL qualification while doing nothing in the competition itself is pointless and wouldn't count as a reason to heap praise on him given the resources he has at his disposal.

In spite of the manager? Are you fucking serious? That is an absolutely ridiculous statement

IMO it is a massive achievement to be so consistently qualifying for the CL, Fergie couldn't do it and neither has anyone else for that matter. Everyone who has won one says it takes a little luck and without doubt if we had of had a bit of luck that night in Paris he may well have won one

RE the statement in red. Mate, I have heard that from AKB's and Wenger-apologists for years now and I still do not get it. You mention Fergie. Is that the same Fergie that actually WON the CL twice? That Fergie? You know what? I'd take winning it twice and NEVER qualifying for it in all the years in between ahead of just qualifying for the thing...

Anybody would, that's stating the obvious.

And yet you seem to think that Wenger has "achieved" something great that Ferguson could not achieve... qualifying for but NEVER winning a competition...

No I don't think, I know that it is an achievement nobody else has matched, again I like to base opinion on facts

[rjw1985]

He rattles off a list of the trophies wenker won to back up his nonsense about being the most successful manager we have ever had, but he totally fails to mention the fact that he has had FAR longer as manager than any of his predecessors, and his actual trophies per season ratio wouldn't even have him in the top 3 most successful managers in our history

GG built the best defense in the history of English football, and it was that defense that was the main ingredient of wenger's early successes with our club

Still convinced that this guy is on the wind up

It doesn't matter how you spin it, he is still the greatest and most successful manager we have ever had - FACT

[rjw1985]

rjw1985, welcome to the forum, and since you like stating Wenger's record, let me offer you some alternative Wenger record's:

Since the invincible's, we have finished 2nd twice( one of those was to Leicester, and the other was in 2005).

We have won 3 trophies(all FA cups) in the past 13 years.

In Europe, we have been a shambles, and are facing into the probability of being knocked out of the CL at the last 16 stage, for the 7th year in a row.

Let's not forget, the embarrassing results at OT, Stamford Bridge, Anfield etc, in the last few years.

To say that Wenger is finished as a top class manager, is an understatement.

Thanks for the welcome.

I'm well aware of the things we haven't won, I still think his achievements warrant more respect than he is getting from most of the people on here. Wenger In!

[rjw1985]

rjw - great to have you on board and as a couple of others have said, very different opinions are healthy, otherwise you end up with "groupthink". As I said on here only a couple of days ago, I respect anyone who argues their case with passion and conviction.

There is no point me rehashing the points that the majority, with whom I agree, have already made about Wenger. He was exactly the right man for Arsenal when he was appointed in 1996. But so, a decade earlier, had George Graham been, and it is ironic that some of those longer-standing Gooners who are instinctively clinging on to AW (and yes, there are still a few in that category!) were exactly the same people who warned us against replacing George on the pretext of his misdemeanours when in realilty he was in any case losing his magic hat and the team was stagnating. Within three years Wenger had transformed the Club's fortunes and his achievements over the first ten years vindicated the vision of the club in making such a bold and imaginative move. That is the kind of action this club sorely needs now.

You may be content for us to flatline in fourth place every year, but the majority of us want and expect more for Arsenal, especially when we were sold the vision of the move to the Emirates with its stratospheric ticket prices as enabling us to compete with the cream of European as well as English football. Even another FA Cup win this season will not cut the mustard, I am afraid. We should have replaced Wenger at least six years ago when it was clear he had run out of ideas, certainly three years ago once it was also clear that the smokescreen of the financial constraints caused by the move to the new stadium were no longer providing an excuse for under-achievement. I don't blame him for not walking out on a 8.5 million a year job; though for me the price he has paid is his legacy and, to a certain extent, his reputation. I wish him no ill, but I will not take part in any *****-fest of appreciation when the glorious day finally arrives. Au Revoir et Bon Chance is about all he deserves now, I am afraid.

Thanks for the coherent arguments Bob, you have some well made points.

I'd just like to point out that I am not content with 4th place, I want us to win the league as much as any other Arsenal fan

[northbank123]

Constantly finishing 15 points or so off the title and being ouT of the title race by November isn't an achievement for this club (who were the third most successful in English football before Wenger came along).

And the idea that the sun would fall out of the sky if we finished out of the top 4 four one season has been blown apart by Liverpool nearly winning the title in 2014 and Chelsea cantering to it for his season, not to mention domestic TV revenue completely eclipsing the financial benefit of being in the CL until the first knockout round.

When every year the home fans at Stamford Bridge are singing "Arsenal Wenger, we want you to stay" isn't it a bit of a giveaway?

[augie]

LOL Rolling out videos of Merse and Carragher and calling them pundits hahahaha

If that's the level of intelligence you aspire to then it's understood your missing a few chromosomes

Say's the guy who says that wenker is still capable of winning the premier league and the champions league

This guy is on the wind up ffs

[rjw1985]

LOL Rolling out videos of Merse and Carragher and calling them pundits hahahaha

If that's the level of intelligence you aspire to then it's understood your missing a few chromosomes

Say's the guy who says that wenker is still capable of winning the premier league and the champions league

This guy is on the wind up ffs

Yeah says the guy who thinks Paul Merson and Jamie Carragher have a better knowledge of the game than Arsene Wenger hahahahahaha muppets

[DB10GOONER]

Would not expect him to work for free and as the most successful manager we have ever known he deserves to be paid extremely well

Within the last 10 years:
2 x FA Cups
Kept us in the CL for 20 years in a row

FFS mate. This 20 years in the Champions League bullshit.

Qualifying for a competition 20 years in a row but never winning it is not a sign of strength - it's letting everyone know 20 times that there is always somebody better than you.

If Wenger was as great as you try to portray, and with the resources he's had - surely he'd have worked out how to win it by now!!

I'd have more respect for you if you said simply "I respect him for what he did 1996 - 2005" because there is NO other reason to defend the man.

I'm not here for your respect and don't give a fuck what your opinion of me is, the debate is about Wenger not me. My opinion is he deserves better from so called fans - you disagree so what?

I also respect the 2 FA cups in a row he recently won for our club, no mean feat in itself.

20 years in the CL is a massive achievement IMO and we were very close to winning it but had a bit of bad luck. Suppose you fickle fuckers would say we got to the final in spite of him and then lost it because of him!

Hold your horses there mate. You are new here. Don't start down that "fickle fucker" road or you won't be here long. You know nothing about the people on this forum. Who the fuck are you to question anyone's loyalty or credibility? You seem to equate loyalty to Wenger with loyalty to the club. They are (and should be) two very different things.

No lets take it back as step, as a new member to this forum I have been insulted a number of times for having a differing opinion from you and others, that's not very good form is it? Then crying over being called fickle, catch yourself on. If you can't take it don't give it out.

Who's crying? I'm telling you that to question the loyalty of anyone on here is to act the WUM and you will be banned for it. So drop that shit or it's goodbye.

[rjw1985]

Constantly finishing 15 points or so off the title and being ouT of the title race by November isn't an achievement for this club (who were the third most successful in English football before Wenger came along).

And the idea that the sun would fall out of the sky if we finished out of the top 4 four one season has been blown apart by Liverpool nearly winning the title in 2014 and Chelsea cantering to it for his season, not to mention domestic TV revenue completely eclipsing the financial benefit of being in the CL until the first knockout round.

When every year the home fans at Stamford Bridge are singing "Arsenal Wenger, we want you to stay" isn't it a bit of a giveaway?

No matter how many times you or others say different, I think it's a great achievement to be in CL for 20 years. I would suggest that 99% of professionals in the game would say the same too.

I have never said the sky would fall if we finished outside top 4 but I don't think we would get straight back in it either, just look at Manchester United.

Liverfool nearly winning the PL title proves nothing, the fact that Wenger has won 3 times as many PL's as any Liverpool playor or manager ever says a lot more.

[DB10GOONER]

Constantly finishing 15 points or so off the title and being ouT of the title race by November isn't an achievement for this club (who were the third most successful in English football before Wenger came along).

And the idea that the sun would fall out of the sky if we finished out of the top 4 four one season has been blown apart by Liverpool nearly winning the title in 2014 and Chelsea cantering to it for his season, not to mention domestic TV revenue completely eclipsing the financial benefit of being in the CL until the first knockout round.

When every year the home fans at Stamford Bridge are singing "Arsenal Wenger, we want you to stay" isn't it a bit of a giveaway?

No matter how many times you or others say different, I think it's a great achievement to be in CL for 20 years. I would suggest that 99% of professionals in the game would say the same too.

I have never said the sky would fall if we finished outside top 4 but I don't think we would get straight back in it either, just look at Manchester United.

Liverfool nearly winning the PL title proves nothing, the fact that Wenger has won 3 times as many PL's as any Liverpool playor or manager ever says a lot more.

Dear God... football started with the PL...? Are you serious?

[rjw1985]

FFS mate. This 20 years in the Champions League bullshit.

Qualifying for a competition 20 years in a row but never winning it is not a sign of strength - it's letting everyone know 20 times that there is always somebody better than you.

If Wenger was as great as you try to portray, and with the resources he's had - surely he'd have worked out how to win it by now!!

I'd have more respect for you if you said simply "I respect him for what he did 1996 - 2005" because there is NO other reason to defend the man.

I'm not here for your respect and don't give a fuck what your opinion of me is, the debate is about Wenger not me. My opinion is he deserves better from so called fans - you disagree so what?

I also respect the 2 FA cups in a row he recently won for our club, no mean feat in itself.

20 years in the CL is a massive achievement IMO and we were very close to winning it but had a bit of bad luck. Suppose you fickle fuckers would say we got to the final in spite of him and then lost it because of him!

Hold your horses there mate. You are new here. Don't start down that "fickle fucker" road or you won't be here long. You know nothing about the people on this forum. Who the fuck are you to question anyone's loyalty or credibility? You seem to equate loyalty to Wenger with loyalty to the club. They are (and should be) two very different things.

No lets take it back as step, as a new member to this forum I have been insulted a number of times for having a differing opinion from you and others, that's not very good form is it? Then crying over being called fickle, catch yourself on. If you can't take it don't give it out.

Who's crying? I'm telling you that to question the loyalty of anyone on here is to act the WUM and you will be banned for it. So drop that shit or it's goodbye.

You were crying about it, admit it you little liar

Surely I can question the loyalty of another member without being banned, is that rule I'm not aware of? Not that I did that anyway now dry your eyes and finish your teary cornflakes

[rjw1985]

Constantly finishing 15 points or so off the title and being ouT of the title race by November isn't an achievement for this club (who were the third most successful in English football before Wenger came along).

And the idea that the sun would fall out of the sky if we finished out of the top 4 four one season has been blown apart by Liverpool nearly winning the title in 2014 and Chelsea cantering to it for his season, not to mention domestic TV revenue completely eclipsing the financial benefit of being in the CL until the first knockout round.

When every year the home fans at Stamford Bridge are singing "Arsenal Wenger, we want you to stay" isn't it a bit of a giveaway?

No matter how many times you or others say different, I think it's a great achievement to be in CL for 20 years. I would suggest that 99% of professionals in the game would say the same too.

I have never said the sky would fall if we finished outside top 4 but I don't think we would get straight back in it either, just look at Manchester United.

Liverfool nearly winning the PL title proves nothing, the fact that Wenger has won 3 times as many PL's as any Liverpool playor or manager ever says a lot more.

Dear God... football started with the PL...? Are you serious?

yeah I seriously just said that football started with the PL, don't be so pedantic

[DB10GOONER]

I'm not here for your respect and don't give a fuck what your opinion of me is, the debate is about Wenger not me. My opinion is he deserves better from so called fans - you disagree so what?

I also respect the 2 FA cups in a row he recently won for our club, no mean feat in itself.

20 years in the CL is a massive achievement IMO and we were very close to winning it but had a bit of bad luck. Suppose you fickle fuckers would say we got to the final in spite of him and then lost it because of him!

Hold your horses there mate. You are new here. Don't start down that "fickle fucker" road or you won't be here long. You know nothing about the people on this forum. Who the fuck are you to question anyone's loyalty or credibility? You seem to equate loyalty to Wenger with loyalty to the club. They are (and should be) two very different things.

No lets take it back as step, as a new member to this forum I have been insulted a number of times for having a differing opinion from you and others, that's not very good form is it? Then crying over being called fickle, catch yourself on. If you can't take it don't give it out.

Who's crying? I'm telling you that to question the loyalty of anyone on here is to act the WUM and you will be banned for it. So drop that shit or it's goodbye.

You were crying about it, admit it you little liar

Surely I can question the loyalty of another member without being banned, is that rule I'm not aware of? Not that I did that anyway now dry your eyes and finish your teary cornflakes

Seriously mate, you are coming across as a dickhead now. Stop embarrassing yourself. Your comments on Liverpool are excruciatingly embarrassing and indicate both your lack of knowledge about the game and typical pro-Wenger subjective use of information... This is why so many pro-Wenger punters that join here last about 2 days. Your "arguments" are mostly horseshit and when these are exposed to you, you resort to "you are fickle" or "why don't you fuck off and support chelsea".