Van Persie saga, officially not extending contract.

[flash gunner]

Have to agree with the above post about Cesc he was always going home to Barca at some point and i think there was very little Arsenal could have done to stop it

[supergeorgegraham]

Money would depend on the person. I still feel certain players love certain clubs and a point has to be proved that this Arsenal team can win something.
At the end of the day when you through as much money as City have and Chelsea have in the past then those teams should win the Prem and the Champ League.
Fact is United have been the dominant force here and that proves it can be done with the right signings.
Most important signing was Vertongha from Ajax but that quality defender is off to Spurs so due to a lack of maybe 1 or 2 great defenders we will never emulate United but we could have done.

[Gunnersaurus]

To be fair to him 130 is not a lot when you consider Rooney, Tevez and Aguero all earn over the 200k mark.

The club either have to pay him that or build a team that can win trophies, there's no in between.

[Top Londoner]

To be fair to him 130 is not a lot when you consider Rooney, Tevez and Aguero all earn over the 200k mark.

The club either have to pay him that or build a team that can win trophies, there's no in between.

TBH, I would not mention RVP in the same breath as Rooney or Tevez. I do not consider him to be a mercenary git like those two. IMO, it is not about the money with him, but about the quality of players around him. He is club captain and adored by the vast majority of our supporters and guaranteed a starting place. I reckon that he would be over the moon to receive £130k from the board, but he surely needs support from the whole team, or we will end up with him having another long term injury.

[augie]

Have to agree with the above post about Cesc he was always going home to Barca at some point and i think there was very little Arsenal could have done to stop it

Yes we all knew that cesc was gonna return home sooner or later but, and of course this is only my opinion, that process was accelerated by maybe two years simply cos cesc knew that those two years were going to be wasted in a team that was going backwards and wasnt going to win anything Does anybody really believe that cesc would have been pushing to get out if we had a team with the level of quality that the 2002/2004 team had ?

[flash gunner]

Have to agree with the above post about Cesc he was always going home to Barca at some point and i think there was very little Arsenal could have done to stop it

Yes we all knew that cesc was gonna return home sooner or later but, and of course this is only my opinion, that process was accelerated by maybe two years simply cos cesc knew that those two years were going to be wasted in a team that was going backwards and wasnt going to win anything Does anybody really believe that cesc would have been pushing to get out if we had a team with the level of quality that the 2002/2004 team had ?

Maybe not but also you have to think of the team Barca has and the thought of playing for his hometown team when they happen to be the best team in the world by a distance would play a part for anyone in any team

[Gunnersaurus]

To be fair to him 130 is not a lot when you consider Rooney, Tevez and Aguero all earn over the 200k mark.

The club either have to pay him that or build a team that can win trophies, there's no in between.

TBH, I would not mention RVP in the same breath as Rooney or Tevez. I do not consider him to be a mercenary git like those two. IMO, it is not about the money with him, but about the quality of players around him. He is club captain and adored by the vast majority of our supporters and guaranteed a starting place. I reckon that he would be over the moon to receive £130k from the board, but he surely needs support from the whole team, or we will end up with him having another long term injury.

The point is not that he is a mercenary, the point is that he is arguably on their level playing wise so could command the same wages.

[bergkamp10]

I'm no AKB but for god sake who in there right minds wants RVP to go or think he should go ?

I dont want him to go but I absolutely think that he should go

I am making that statement on the basis that whatever rvp decides will not be determined by money/greed. Simple fact is that as things stand right now we are a club who are at best standing still but realistically are going backwards We have first team starters now who are so poor/average that they wouldnt have got near the subs bench a few years ago and in a league with the worst standard for over a decade we are only good enough to finish 19 points behind the top 2
Contrast that to the successes that ex team-mates of rvp are currently enjoying (cashley,clichy,nasri,cesc) and it isnt hard to understand why rvp MIGHT be feeling envious. This is his last big contract and he knows that so we couldnt blame the man if he feels that his best chance of success lies elsewhere

Makes you wonder who pedals this nonsense really, RVP will stay if we offload the deadwood,and invert wisely for the new season, with 3/4 quality players the team needs. The purge has started anyhow,if we can any bloody buyers for some of the crap...

The consequences for taking a long time over trasnfers is that we be beaten on price as always.. Still the usual consternations will probably take place all summer after the Euros.

[Vinny1967]

It's very hard to know what motivates different players and we are all only really guessing to be honest what motivates RVP.

One thing is for certain though and that's their ego's. If we are to keep RVP or sign quality we need to convince them that we can compete for the top prizes. That involves taking a stand and clearing out the deadwood, signing top quality replacements with character and leadership. In doing that I do believe we would have a far better chance of keeping RVP.

[Gunnersaurus]

The biggest worry is that the quality players that are needed to come in never arrive because we take so long to scout them and dither that other clubs come in which leaves us in a similar situation to last year, I cant believe any of those that came in other than Gervinho were first on his list.

If nothing has happened before the Euros with players coming in then don't hope for much by the time the season starts.

[highburyJD]

last season we took ages
but Wenger decides how much he values players and won't go above it on wages or fee
I respect that and think its the sensible way to run a business

but it means we can't necessarily be fast - Mata and Jones waited and got better moves/more money elsewhere...

[Vinny1967]

last season we took ages
but Wenger decides how much he values players and won't go above it on wages or fee
I respect that and think its the sensible way to run a business

but it means we can't necessarily be fast - Mata and Jones waited and got better moves/more money elsewhere...

I respect that as well JD.
But taking personal terms aside because of the knock on effects on the squad, he dithers and seems to undervalue. From what I have read and heard he has had money to spend in successive seasons yet doesn't spend it. His 'project' seems to have overtaken and his faith in mediocre players has been proven to be unfounded. He admitted 14 months ago that he needed to buy to stregthen the squad for us to compete and he waited till the season was 3 weeks old. To me that is not good business. Last summer was the first time I was really disappointed in our dealings to be honest because of the noises he made coming into the transfer market. I guess the point I'm trying to make is sometimes you need to exceed what you think someone is worth to land them as madness is repeating the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

[Vinny1967]

I didn't know where to put this

Article from the Mirror on AST survey by John Cross

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/ ... ers-845826

[augie]

I didn't know where to put this

Article from the Mirror on AST survey by John Cross

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/ ... ers-845826

Bullshit article that changed direction so many times that you didn't know if it was supporting wenger or not
For me John cross is a slimy c**t who ass kisses the board and wenger every chance he gets and I can't respect a man who allows personal agenda to get in the way of a thing like truth or facts I don't know if it is worse if the man was in the clubs pocket or if he was just totally fcuking unqualified and inept at his job cos there must be some reason why the fool chooses to ignore wengers lack of tactical nous, his loyalty to sub standard shite, his inability to motivate and his refusal to strengthen by buying proven quality.

Anyway cross you may well able to lead the blinded sheep in the ast before their meeting but all the bullshit articles in your shithole paper won't distract most of us from seeing a manger for what he is..........outdated and in severe need of replacing

[QuartzGooner]

Never met John Cross. Not sure what he really thinks.

But the article reads to me, as if he is trying to tow a party line, understands changes have been made on a corporate level, but these are not enough so far, and really he thinks the club is mismanaged and not competitive.