Olivier Giroud - Another Alan Smith or "Le Chapman"?

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Re: BRIGHTON FA CUP THREAD

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Watch out for our beast from Montpellier though - if he's on song you'd better hide behind your seat (only for fear of one of his headers connecting with you up in the stand)

Yeah, cos he's been effin abysmal hasn't he??
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Dan_85 wrote:
Paul Smith wrote:
SteveO 35 wrote:
Watch out for our beast from Montpellier though - if he's on song you'd better hide behind your seat (only for fear of one of his headers connecting with you up in the stand)

Yeah, cos he's been effin abysmal hasn't he??
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flash gunner wrote:
Dan_85 wrote:
Paul Smith wrote:
SteveO 35 wrote:
Watch out for our beast from Montpellier though - if he's on song you'd better hide behind your seat (only for fear of one of his headers connecting with you up in the stand)

Yeah, cos he's been effin abysmal hasn't he??
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Don't worry chaps.....I'm not going to respond to he of the fashion label. There's already a thread for Le Chapman. Every time he scores a couple I expect the pea-brains to come out and shoot me down - fine. There's always a Chelsea performance in him next time up.

Actually its quite appropriate we're playing Brighton.......remember the famous, AND SMITH MUST SCORE........similar to the chance our 50 pence head had to put us 1-0 up at the Bridge. Still he looked great against West Ham and Reading for 20 mins so who cares about that?

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Giroud's doing alright - he hasn't set the world alight, but he's doing well. Got a lot to learn though, don't think you can write him off yet.

Although I won't be forgiving him for that miss at SB any time soon, unless he scores a hat trick at the lane.

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Paul Smith wrote:Giroud's doing alright - he hasn't set the world alight, but he's doing well. Got a lot to learn though, don't think you can write him off yet.

Although I won't be forgiving him for that miss at SB any time soon, unless he scores a hat trick at the lane.
Yeah, let's give him a year to 'adapt' :roll: :roll:

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franksav63 wrote:
Paul Smith wrote:Giroud's doing alright - he hasn't set the world alight, but he's doing well. Got a lot to learn though, don't think you can write him off yet.

Although I won't be forgiving him for that miss at SB any time soon, unless he scores a hat trick at the lane.
Yeah, let's give him a year to 'adapt' :roll: :roll:

That's down to Wenger aint it? You seen much of his attitude that gives off the impression he's not trying? Cos i haven't

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Paul Smith wrote:
franksav63 wrote:
Paul Smith wrote:Giroud's doing alright - he hasn't set the world alight, but he's doing well. Got a lot to learn though, don't think you can write him off yet.

Although I won't be forgiving him for that miss at SB any time soon, unless he scores a hat trick at the lane.
Yeah, let's give him a year to 'adapt' :roll: :roll:

That's down to Wenger aint it? You seen much of his attitude that gives off the impression he's not trying? Cos i haven't
He can try all he wants, he ain't quality and he isn't worth anywhere near the 12 million that Wenger spunked on him. A brace against shit sides won't cut it either, he doesn't do anything against the quality sides.

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franksav63 wrote:
Paul Smith wrote:
franksav63 wrote:
Paul Smith wrote:Giroud's doing alright - he hasn't set the world alight, but he's doing well. Got a lot to learn though, don't think you can write him off yet.

Although I won't be forgiving him for that miss at SB any time soon, unless he scores a hat trick at the lane.
Yeah, let's give him a year to 'adapt' :roll: :roll:

That's down to Wenger aint it? You seen much of his attitude that gives off the impression he's not trying? Cos i haven't
He can try all he wants, he ain't quality and he isn't worth anywhere near the 12 million that Wenger spunked on him. A brace against shit sides won't cut it either, he doesn't do anything against the quality sides.
That's fair enough, football's all about opinions - but in my opinion as long as a player's trying he don't deserve to get slagged.

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Paul Smith wrote:
franksav63 wrote:
Paul Smith wrote:
franksav63 wrote:
Paul Smith wrote:Giroud's doing alright - he hasn't set the world alight, but he's doing well. Got a lot to learn though, don't think you can write him off yet.

Although I won't be forgiving him for that miss at SB any time soon, unless he scores a hat trick at the lane.
Yeah, let's give him a year to 'adapt' :roll: :roll:

That's down to Wenger aint it? You seen much of his attitude that gives off the impression he's not trying? Cos i haven't
He can try all he wants, he ain't quality and he isn't worth anywhere near the 12 million that Wenger spunked on him. A brace against shit sides won't cut it either, he doesn't do anything against the quality sides.
That's fair enough, football's all about opinions - but in my opinion as long as a player's trying he don't deserve to get slagged.
Yes, that's true, it just frustrates me that the Giroud signing is just a continuation of the diluting down of quality within the team!

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Re: Olivier Giroud and Alan Smith

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He's not going to get much better than he already is. I genuinely like the guy and want him to do well, but he's never going to be one that will get the match winning goal or create a chance out of nothing to win us the game. Instead he will perform well when the team is firing like last night and he will grab goals in games we dominate. In games that we need the striker to make a difference? Not going to happen. Expecting anything else from him would be foolish.[/quote]
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It is not Girouds fault he isnt RVP...who is?

He has done well in my opinion...the system doesnt suit him, its his first season in the prem in a new side and his return is decent considering he doesnt start every game. He DOES work hard for the team...his prescence in the box defensively is invaluable at times.

Is he someone a team should rely on? No, not solely - but he is good enough to play for Arsenal and i like the fact he does care about the team as well, thats the sort of player we need. if he had support up there and we played a system suited to him he would be even better. I think we will hit 15 league goals this year which is a very good first season.

It astounds me that people support players that let the club down in terms of appearances, performances yet get on the back of someone that is doing his best.

We need a striker, we all agree...but this lad has been a good addition to our squad, and frankly the critiscm ive read is lazy....he should not be made the scapegoat of others failings.

Oh, and i will sing his song if i want too....you pay your money, you do what you want! 8) No miserable bastard around me will change that! 8)

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Bendtners Drinking Buddy wrote: It astounds me that people support players that let the club down in terms of appearances, performances yet get on the back of someone that is doing his best.
I agree with this completely. Our fans can be a fickle bunch at times, when Jenkinson first came in the team I found the lack of active support he received to be really poor. Here was a lad who runs his nuts off and is a boyhood gooner and season ticket holder and yet the only players we seemed interested in supporting was the likes of van rapist.

Some of our players are not up to standard and frankly Giroud is never going to spearhead a league title win on his own but I think we should get better at separating the support we give the players from the frustration we have with the club.

Ramsey is another player who should receive more imo.

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Bendtners Drinking Buddy wrote:It is not Girouds fault he isnt RVP...who is?

He has done well in my opinion...the system doesnt suit him, its his first season in the prem in a new side and his return is decent considering he doesnt start every game. He DOES work hard for the team...his prescence in the box defensively is invaluable at times.

Is he someone a team should rely on? No, not solely - but he is good enough to play for Arsenal and i like the fact he does care about the team as well, thats the sort of player we need. if he had support up there and we played a system suited to him he would be even better. I think we will hit 15 league goals this year which is a very good first season.

It astounds me that people support players that let the club down in terms of appearances, performances yet get on the back of someone that is doing his best.

We need a striker, we all agree...but this lad has been a good addition to our squad, and frankly the critiscm ive read is lazy....he should not be made the scapegoat of others failings.

Oh, and i will sing his song if i want too....you pay your money, you do what you want! 8) No miserable bastard around me will change that! 8)
Nobody is saying its his fault he's not RvP.......Christ, I must have made that point 20 times or so. Is it Ramsey's fault he isn't Cesc Fabregas, or Fabianski's fault that he isn't David Seaman, or Walcott's fault that he isn't Thierry Henry. Nobody with half a brain is comparing him to RvP - only the people defending Giroud are bringing up that point.

I contest the point about working hard for the team. He's been a lethargic lump in a lot of the games I've watched - again, admittedly not the only one guilty of that, but people use this as a defence for the guy and I don't think it applies at all. When we're playing in big away games he goes missing, he doesn't work nearly hard enough and is not physical enough for his size. In the first half at Stamford Bridge he was awful - no work rate at all. Every time the ball was played in to him he lost out to his marker. He made one run where Walcott put it on a plate for him, produced a woeful finish and went missing. That isn't the only game. In the cup game against Swansea I watched him closely and again he did nothing for an hour. His movement is appalling and as the lone striker that gives the team a serious issue

Nobody said you couldn't sing his song either. If you're referring to my point its aimed at people sat around me who were giving the bloke dog's abuse and then started singing it when he scored. I've always hated that with any player as its hypocritical. If you've always been there supporting him that's fine, but when someone has been calling him shit and a donkey and then starts the 'na na na na.......Giroud' business that is hypocritical.

He's good enough to play for an Arsenal side that sees a top six finish as success I agree, and that's what we are. Similarly Victor Anichebe is good enough to play for a side that will finish top six and I wouldn't want him either.

Look, I'm sure he does give his best. I bet Almunia, Eboue, Ramsey and Vela give/gave their best too. The question is whether their best is good enough and in my opinion its not.

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His stats are starting to look impressive now even though he's been quite wasteful, I don't mind him, he gets into decent positions but the thing I do not like is the constant appealing to the ref for free kicks, he's a fair old size and acts like a right wimp, he needs to use his size to bully defenders more, if he does that then you can look past his wastefulness.

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