West Ham v Arsenal Sat 12.45

[Wilson]

As he says, all year we have been defensively weak in the air. So instead of playing your 196cm world class number 1 goal keeper, he plays the 183cm relatively decent back up goal keeper in a must win game.

Cech is bigger than Carroll by 5 cm. Ospina on the other hand is 8 cm shorter than Carroll.

This was an unavoidable mistake. This was a basic error of judgement that can only be seen as gross incompetence in decision making.

Its becoming impossible to even tolerate Wenger when he does this. How can you try to support someone who cant help themselves? The rally cry in the media and by Wenger is we need to stick together and support the manager and team - how do we do that? Its like being a solider and being asked to place faith in Mr Bean as your General.

My honest assessment on Wenger, is he is a naive egomaniac who is no where near being the clever and savvy a manager he thinks he is.

He thinks he is being clever and cute sticking with Ospina. The reality is its just fuking insanity.

Get this dumb muppet out now.

[Ray C]

Walcott and Giroud again. How do they get away with earning 140 and 100k a week and being liabilities at the same time? Both of them are horrible footballers with he ball at feet. What did Theo do right at the end their? A left footed lob chip straight to Adrian (was it a cross or shot)? Sanchez fell to his knees in fuking dismay. Another game passes them by without either making a contribution. Giroud has scored in only ONE game in the second half of the season. As for Walcott, I dont expect him to do anything. He is fuking useless.

Arsene you fuking moron, if you are going to hang around unwanted, at least give yourself a chance, whilst making it less miserable for us fans - listen to the critics, and realise you were dead wrong to place your faith in Walcott and Giroud. They are fuking taking the piss earning 6 figure salaries and offering up absolute sh.. house performances.

Oh my god, watching these two in particular was infuriating. Both have been universally dropped for a reason (they are rubbish), yet they are brought of the bench with the intention of winning it for us.

Walcott is earning more than Ribery and Robben, and is paid 10k less than Neymar.

Oh my fuking god. WTF has Wenger done.

Dead right mate -
The strength of a club should be measured by it's depth of quality players on the bench. These two aint that !!!

[northbank123]

The Carroll thing was laughably predictable.

Against anybody he will usually look to peel off at the back post as most full backs have no chance of challenging him - Monreal and Bellerin fit the bill perfectly (not that he needed to bother with our two waif-like CBs who are more likely to duck their head and shut their eyes than win a header). Sure enough that's what he did and he scored from 3 free headers.

Christ if they had done the same from corners and clipped balls to Carroll at the back post rather than trying to whip them in we wouldn't have defended any of them.

I (and just about anybody who watches us) have said it time and time and time again - there is no defensive culture at the club and nobody knows how to fucking defend. We are at the business end of the season but despite not having a particularly bad run we have now shipped in at least 2 goals in 7 of the last 10 games. Cannot think of any team as scared of success as we are.

[armchair]

I don't think the banners are too light or diplomatic - if they weren't then they would be dismissed out of hand by the media and pundits as short sighted for ignoring all that Wenger has done for us.

Nice to see that unlike the players and the manager, not everybody has been duped into thinking that all is right and rosy after whipping holiday boys Watford.

Yeah you may be right that they would be dismissed more easily. I just think they're lighter than what Wenger realyl deserves.

The biggest joke is that even these banners have been called disrespectful. Has there ever been a more polite protest banner in history than the 'Thanks for the memories'' one?

Yeah, this alwaysw makes me laugh. "Oh, those banners are disrespectful." "You can want Wenger out but there's no need to be disrespectful about it." All the banners i've seen at games, i'm not sure they could be any more respectful if they tried

I dont think its a coincidence that the only banner that actually calls it how it is and not some cryptic message, ie the #TimeForChange #WengerOut banner, is the one that gets attacked. It has a no-nonsense, straightforward message and is not sugar-coated.

So we have.....
Thanks for the memories
Fourth place is not a trophy
Time for Change Arsenal fc not Arsene fc
Love Arsenal Hate Kroenke
Every story......Au Revoir Arsene

And there is another one already made 12ft x 6ft. I like it. It also has a no-nonsense message.

We have to get them all out together at a game. Big impact.

[Henry Norris 1913]

There is a big difference between saying wenger is a *word censored* and singing libelous shit at a football ground. fans have been charged for singing shit like that at fotball matches before, remember the scum and their sol campbell songs? a lot of them were prosecuted/banned, if those pedo chants were audible over the tv I'm sure the club would have been in trouble, at least I hope so because I don't see the difference between singing that and the shit sol campbell received.

And yes, some of our fans were clapping their fans at full time and visa versa, but honestly what the actual fuck was that about?

Oh and wenger cost us a couple of goals with his typically childish insistence on dropping cech for fucking ospina. the one game a big aerial presence is needed and not only does he drop cech, he drops mertesacker. Is he trying to punish us? No other manager would get away with such a blatant lack of common sense, let alone tactical awareness.

[donaldo71]

Even though West Ham pulled two goals back just before half time Bilic made a tactical substitution at half time.Wenger of course did nothing as usual. We were lucky to get a draw.And what a player Payet is.The player our manager doesn't rate

[armchair]

Couple of banners shown on bt sport with Wrighty stumbling and talking bollox as usual.......

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[Bradywasking]

Serious case of food poisoning yesterday, had to stop the game at 41 minutes to visit the bathroom.. Came back to restart the game a few minutes later. Glanced at my phone at saw a message saying " fuck sake, bad enough to concede before half time but to do it twice " The worst thing was I wasn't surprised.. Nothing surprises anymore..We were as comfortable at 2-0 as we were at Goodison and yet we were lucky to get a draw..Manager decides to look clever by sticking with Ospina, not directly blaming Ospina for the goals but for the third would Cech have come for the cross..? I had a lousy day and Arsenal didn't help.

[StuartL]

Even though West Ham pulled two goals back just before half time Bilic made a tactical substitution at half time.Wenger of course did nothing as usual. We were lucky to get a draw.And what a player Payet is.The player our manager doesn't rate

But West Ham cheated ( Caroll admitted it in his post match interview) by working on crosses, our big weakness, all week.

How the hell are we supposed to counteract this devious ploy ?

Work on our defence ?
Field our best goalkeeper ?
Stop the supply of crosses ?

shrug our shoulders and hope for the best ?

Thought both full backs were poor, Sanchez yet again overdoing everything,
Gabriel lucky not to get a red as he definitely deliberately stuck his leg out at Carroll (albeit after the whistle for a foul on him ) while Carrol himself, could easily have seen red for his foul on Kos, and the follow up with his other foot and an elbow on Gabriel.

Typical Arsenal, get in a great position, switch off, thrown it away again before showing a modicum of fight.

[Bradywasking]

Watching a game here on TV, Sunderland v Leicester City and where I agree with Souness that the quality is poor I have noticed two things, defenders of both teams are willing to get in the way of anything to keep it out and twice in the first half Leicester players were fouled but saw the bigger picture and attempted to play on rather than demand yellow cards for the opponents.. What kind of madness is this ?

[armchair]

West Ham......

[Robin_L]

Was a great game to watch at least, for the final trip to the Boleyn. We fell apart but then 'Arsenal gonna Arsenal'.

We still have one of the best defences in the league statistically, but you wonder about it after yesterday. Dominated by Andy Carroll

[northbank123]

2-0 Leicester. Another clinical win and clean sheet and two more goals for Vardy. Defending properly and a striker who scores goals - strange but it seems to work.

Hopefully United will go and do a job on Spurs now.

[Redsenga1]

Any banners seen on bt sport?

Yep. The Kroenke Out banner was shown....but the best bit is that a new Wenker Out banner was shown. It said sthg like
"Every story has its end. Au revoir Arsene"

Well done to those that showed it. Top work. BT zoomed in on the Wenker banner after the game and again discussed Lord A Hole future. Wrighty curiously enough, didn't slate the banner boys, saying it was their right to express how they feel. When BT Sport host put him on the spot and asked "Should he go?"...Wrighty was petrified.
Mumbled something about how he keeps signing the wrong type of player...doesn't use money available...been a poor season for the fans...ain't won the title for ages...then concluded with "I'm not gonna get drawn into that"
Yes Ian, it's only your fucking job as a pundit to get EXACTLY drawn into that
Wrighty was pressed again and said "it'll come to natural conclusion in 2017" (it won't)

Most interesting aspect is that BT showed the "Arsenal FC not Arsene FC" banner. And know what? They showed some pussy AKB twat, caught right on camera, trying to rip it out of the hands of the guys holding it! BT even commented on that.
That's correct we live in a communist censorship country when liberal expression of an opinion gets attacked, physically, by The Wenker FC Stasi.
Unreal. I would have loved that AKB to have been landed with a solid slap. Woulda been richly deserved. Unreal the kind of absolute tossers follow us these days....

Good. I had thought they missed the Time for Change banner. It was real ugly mate. Im talking assault. Its difficult to defend yourself with your hands in the air holdimg up a banner.
Total assholes mate. Stupid stupid morons.
Im genuinely fukin angry posting this

I saw the incident and the woman who tried to take it down (amongst others) - if that was you holding the banner then fair play, but was too far back to help at the time although saw several help so fair play to them for supporting freedom of speech / protest :bar scarf:

[OneBardGooner]

I don't think the banners are too light or diplomatic - if they weren't then they would be dismissed out of hand by the media and pundits as short sighted for ignoring all that Wenger has done for us.

Nice to see that unlike the players and the manager, not everybody has been duped into thinking that all is right and rosy after whipping holiday boys Watford.

Yeah you may be right that they would be dismissed more easily. I just think they're lighter than what Wenger realyl deserves.

The biggest joke is that even these banners have been called disrespectful. Has there ever been a more polite protest banner in history than the 'Thanks for the memories'' one?

Yeah, this alwaysw makes me laugh. "Oh, those banners are disrespectful." "You can want Wenger out but there's no need to be disrespectful about it." All the banners i've seen at games, i'm not sure they could be any more respectful if they tried

I dont think its a coincidence that the only banner that actually calls it how it is and not some cryptic message, ie the #TimeForChange #WengerOut banner, is the one that gets attacked. It has a no-nonsense, straightforward message and is not sugar-coated.

So we have.....
Thanks for the memories
Fourth place is not a trophy
Time for Change Arsenal fc not Arsene fc
Love Arsenal Hate Kroenke
Every story......Au Revoir Arsene

And there is another one already made 12ft x 6ft. I like it. It also has a no-nonsense message.

We have to get them all out together at a game. Big impact.

Are you able to say what that banner says AC ??