THE WENGER THREAD

[xisstential]

@ rjw1985 When I saw your first few posts yesterday my first thought was that you were posting to get a reaction. Now I am sure of it. Not only that, you are coming across as one of those shrill liberals who want everyone who doesn't agree with them to fuck off, then whine & bitch when people return the compliment. Grow up you sound like a fucking child.

[DB10GOONER]

Seriously mate, you are coming across as a dickhead now. Stop embarrassing yourself. Your comments on Liverpool are excruciatingly embarrassing and indicate both your lack of knowledge about the game and typical pro-Wenger subjective use of information... This is why so many pro-Wenger punters that join here last about 2 days. Your "arguments" are mostly horseshit and when these are exposed to you, you resort to "you are fickle" or "why don't you fuck off and support chelsea".

I said before I don't care what anyone on here thinks of me, you think I'm a dickhead? Well done hope you fell good about repeatedly insulting someone you know nothing about. You are a bully who is trying to use the majority of opinion to make me leave/shut up, what a piece of work you are!

You may think my comments about Liverpool are embarrassing but that's because you have taken it out of context.

I'll still be here in 2 days though don't you worry, I'm not letting you imbeciles off that lightly

As much as I like this forum I agree that pro wenger supporters are always labelled a wind up if they argue their case and I also agree rjw1985 was insulted first on here just because of his point of view, I don't find him a wum in the slightest, he's just got a different opinion to 99% of the posters here.

I would ask for him NOT to be banned, after all there are posters still here that wished wenger dead and all sorts of ailments and their excuse is they are passionate about the club, so is rjw1985 imo.

Let's all get along

The problem is, Lefty, that 99% of the so called pro-Wenger posters that have ever been on here turn out to be WUMs. They post something positive about Wenger and as soon as someone argues against it they resort to calling people "fickle" or telling them to "fuck off to the chavs".

We have addressed the "wishing Wenger dead" stuff. Those that posted it were warned and we deleted the posts. We ban people as a last resort for things like WUMing or personal abuse.

Regarding rjw1985 - he hasn't argued his case. He has posted subjective stuff and a few insults and some stuff to provoke a negative reaction. That is WUMing in anyone's book, mate. And when he was warned about that he resorted to the old classic of "you are a bully".

He would be very welcome on here if he did present a decent argument and dropped the insults. I would also ask our other members to stop insulting him too.

You and others can insult me all you want, I can take it and still come back with a coherent argument. Everything you have posted is negative crap, everything I have posted is fact.

I have argued my case and I believe I have done quite well not to stoop to your levels of bully tactics - again you are not stating facts like I have done throughout.

WENGER IN!

Coherent argument? Are you kidding? I'll quote just two of your incredibly stupid comments (at the risk of being accused of "bullying" you);

1. "Wenger has won 3 times as many PL's as any Liverpool playor or manager ever".
2. “it is a massive achievement to be so consistently qualifying for the CL, Fergie couldn't do it”.

Absolute nonsense. I've actually hammered both of those ludicrously subjective statements with the FACT that many Liverpool players and a couple managers have won more League Titles than Wenger (I even named two) and stated the FACT that Ferguson won it twice whereas Wenger has never won it and is thus an also-ran in the CL - and your comeback was to accuse me of taking your comments out of context...

[rjw1985]

@ rjw1985 When I saw your first few posts yesterday my first thought was that you were posting to get a reaction. Now I am sure of it. Not only that, you are coming across as one of those shrill liberals who want everyone who doesn't agree with them to fuck off, then whine & bitch when people return the compliment. Grow up you sound like a fucking child.

Just beacuse my posts did not agree with the majority of posters does not mean I am posting for a reaction, once again i'm simply stating my opinion.

I have not told anyone to fuck off for not agreeing, in fact it's been more the other way round. Getting abused for not agreeing with you guys is not cool at all. Which part was childish, I'm struggling to see where you are coming from on that point.

And once again I DON'T CARE HOW I COME ACROSS TO YOU, YOU MEAN NOTHING TO ME.

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

You were crying about it, admit it you little liar

Surely I can question the loyalty of another member without being banned, is that rule I'm not aware of? Not that I did that anyway now dry your eyes and finish your teary cornflakes

Seriously mate, you are coming across as a dickhead now. Stop embarrassing yourself. Your comments on Liverpool are excruciatingly embarrassing and indicate both your lack of knowledge about the game and typical pro-Wenger subjective use of information... This is why so many pro-Wenger punters that join here last about 2 days. Your "arguments" are mostly horseshit and when these are exposed to you, you resort to "you are fickle" or "why don't you fuck off and support chelsea".

I said before I don't care what anyone on here thinks of me, you think I'm a dickhead? Well done hope you fell good about repeatedly insulting someone you know nothing about. You are a bully who is trying to use the majority of opinion to make me leave/shut up, what a piece of work you are!

You may think my comments about Liverpool are embarrassing but that's because you have taken it out of context.

I'll still be here in 2 days though don't you worry, I'm not letting you imbeciles off that lightly

As much as I like this forum I agree that pro wenger supporters are always labelled a wind up if they argue their case and I also agree rjw1985 was insulted first on here just because of his point of view, I don't find him a wum in the slightest, he's just got a different opinion to 99% of the posters here.

I would ask for him NOT to be banned, after all there are posters still here that wished wenger dead and all sorts of ailments and their excuse is they are passionate about the club, so is rjw1985 imo.

Let's all get along

The problem is, Lefty, that 99% of the so called pro-Wenger posters that have ever been on here turn out to be WUMs. They post something positive about Wenger and as soon as someone argues against it they resort to calling people "fickle" or telling them to "fuck off to the chavs".

We have addressed the "wishing Wenger dead" stuff. Those that posted it were warned and we deleted the posts. We ban people as a last resort for things like WUMing or personal abuse.

Regarding rjw1985 - he hasn't argued his case. He has posted subjective stuff and a few insults and some stuff to provoke a negative reaction. That is WUMing in anyone's book, mate. And when he was warned about that he resorted to the old classic of "you are a bully".

He would be very welcome on here if he did present a decent argument and dropped the insults. I would also ask our other members to stop insulting him too.

Fair enough but I'm just looking out for the little guy, I would do the same for you

[rjw1985]

I said before I don't care what anyone on here thinks of me, you think I'm a dickhead? Well done hope you fell good about repeatedly insulting someone you know nothing about. You are a bully who is trying to use the majority of opinion to make me leave/shut up, what a piece of work you are!

You may think my comments about Liverpool are embarrassing but that's because you have taken it out of context.

I'll still be here in 2 days though don't you worry, I'm not letting you imbeciles off that lightly

As much as I like this forum I agree that pro wenger supporters are always labelled a wind up if they argue their case and I also agree rjw1985 was insulted first on here just because of his point of view, I don't find him a wum in the slightest, he's just got a different opinion to 99% of the posters here.

I would ask for him NOT to be banned, after all there are posters still here that wished wenger dead and all sorts of ailments and their excuse is they are passionate about the club, so is rjw1985 imo.

Let's all get along

The problem is, Lefty, that 99% of the so called pro-Wenger posters that have ever been on here turn out to be WUMs. They post something positive about Wenger and as soon as someone argues against it they resort to calling people "fickle" or telling them to "fuck off to the chavs".

We have addressed the "wishing Wenger dead" stuff. Those that posted it were warned and we deleted the posts. We ban people as a last resort for things like WUMing or personal abuse.

Regarding rjw1985 - he hasn't argued his case. He has posted subjective stuff and a few insults and some stuff to provoke a negative reaction. That is WUMing in anyone's book, mate. And when he was warned about that he resorted to the old classic of "you are a bully".

He would be very welcome on here if he did present a decent argument and dropped the insults. I would also ask our other members to stop insulting him too.

You and others can insult me all you want, I can take it and still come back with a coherent argument. Everything you have posted is negative crap, everything I have posted is fact.

I have argued my case and I believe I have done quite well not to stoop to your levels of bully tactics - again you are not stating facts like I have done throughout.

WENGER IN!

Coherent argument? Are you kidding? I'll quote just two of your incredibly stupid comments (at the risk of being accused of "bullying" you);

1. "Wenger has won 3 times as many PL's as any Liverpool playor or manager ever".
2. “it is a massive achievement to be so consistently qualifying for the CL, Fergie couldn't do it”.

Absolute nonsense. I've actually hammered both of those ludicrously subjective statements with the FACT that many Liverpool players and a couple managers have won more League Titles than Wenger (I even named two) and stated the FACT that Ferguson won it twice whereas Wenger has never won it and is thus an also-ran in the CL - and your comeback was to accuse me of taking your comments out of context...

Both hard facts though aren't they DB10? You cannot argue with fact which is why you result to threatening and insulting me

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

@ rjw1985 When I saw your first few posts yesterday my first thought was that you were posting to get a reaction. Now I am sure of it. Not only that, you are coming across as one of those shrill liberals who want everyone who doesn't agree with them to fuck off, then whine & bitch when people return the compliment. Grow up you sound like a fucking child.

Isn't that post ironic mate

[rjw1985]

@ rjw1985 When I saw your first few posts yesterday my first thought was that you were posting to get a reaction. Now I am sure of it. Not only that, you are coming across as one of those shrill liberals who want everyone who doesn't agree with them to fuck off, then whine & bitch when people return the compliment. Grow up you sound like a fucking child.

Isn't that post ironic mate

"Isn't it Ironic" https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j ... 6187,d.bGs

[Jumpers For Goalposts]

Anyone remember USMartin ???

This is exactly the tactic that he used.

Enlighten me - what 'tactic' would that be

The tactic of playing the hard man one minute and the victim the next.

The tactic of using "statistics" as fact even though they are quickly pointed out to you as wrong.

The tactic of SHOUTING IN CAPITAL LETTERS

The tactic of being unable to debate with fellow fans without resorting to petulance when you are disagreed with.

The tactic of being offensive when you feel like it ( calling me a fickle fucker! ) but bleating when someone returns the favour.

We would love a "Wenger In" Gooner on here that we can have a healthy debate with but unless we're all mistaken, you aren't going to be that person.

[DB10GOONER]

As much as I like this forum I agree that pro wenger supporters are always labelled a wind up if they argue their case and I also agree rjw1985 was insulted first on here just because of his point of view, I don't find him a wum in the slightest, he's just got a different opinion to 99% of the posters here.

I would ask for him NOT to be banned, after all there are posters still here that wished wenger dead and all sorts of ailments and their excuse is they are passionate about the club, so is rjw1985 imo.

Let's all get along

The problem is, Lefty, that 99% of the so called pro-Wenger posters that have ever been on here turn out to be WUMs. They post something positive about Wenger and as soon as someone argues against it they resort to calling people "fickle" or telling them to "fuck off to the chavs".

We have addressed the "wishing Wenger dead" stuff. Those that posted it were warned and we deleted the posts. We ban people as a last resort for things like WUMing or personal abuse.

Regarding rjw1985 - he hasn't argued his case. He has posted subjective stuff and a few insults and some stuff to provoke a negative reaction. That is WUMing in anyone's book, mate. And when he was warned about that he resorted to the old classic of "you are a bully".

He would be very welcome on here if he did present a decent argument and dropped the insults. I would also ask our other members to stop insulting him too.

You and others can insult me all you want, I can take it and still come back with a coherent argument. Everything you have posted is negative crap, everything I have posted is fact.

I have argued my case and I believe I have done quite well not to stoop to your levels of bully tactics - again you are not stating facts like I have done throughout.

WENGER IN!

Coherent argument? Are you kidding? I'll quote just two of your incredibly stupid comments (at the risk of being accused of "bullying" you);

1. "Wenger has won 3 times as many PL's as any Liverpool playor or manager ever".
2. “it is a massive achievement to be so consistently qualifying for the CL, Fergie couldn't do it”.

Absolute nonsense. I've actually hammered both of those ludicrously subjective statements with the FACT that many Liverpool players and a couple managers have won more League Titles than Wenger (I even named two) and stated the FACT that Ferguson won it twice whereas Wenger has never won it and is thus an also-ran in the CL - and your comeback was to accuse me of taking your comments out of context...

Both hard facts though aren't they DB10? You cannot argue with fact which is why you result to threatening and insulting me

You see, to me and most normal people, that is WUMing. To make a subjective statement and then fall back on it as fact is seriously poor debating skill and designed to provoke reaction, but you know that, don't you.

By insisting that Wenger has 3 times as many PL titles as any Liverpool player or manager you are in effect implying that only the PL should count when judging Wenger against other managers or players because that suits your argument.

You are also saying or implying that Wenger's qualifying for 20 CL comps is on a par with or better than Ferguson's CL record because he didn't qualify for 20 CL comps. Again massively subjective statement used because it suits your weak argument. In a game built around winning trophies the fact that Ferguson won it twice totally overshadows the fact that Wenger qualified for it 20 years running.

[rjw1985]

Anyone remember USMartin ???

This is exactly the tactic that he used.

Enlighten me - what 'tactic' would that be

The tactic of playing the hard man one minute and the victim the next.

The tactic of using "statistics" as fact even though they are quickly pointed out to you as wrong.

The tactic of SHOUTING IN CAPITAL LETTERS

The tactic of being unable to debate with fellow fans without resorting to petulance when you are disagreed with.

The tactic of being offensive when you feel like it ( calling me a fickle fucker! ) but bleating when someone returns the favour.

We would love a "Wenger In" Gooner on here that we can have a healthy debate with but unless we're all mistaken, you aren't going to be that person.

You are clearly mistaken and in fact wrong!

I have not played hard man or victim, simply stated my opinion based on facts. Tell me what I have said that was incorrect factually?

Yeah I felt I had to shout as you people keep spouting the same shite about trolling/provoking people which is untrue.

I did not call you anything so get off your high horse, I'm the one who has been repeatedly insulted.

Happy to have a healthy debate with someone who has the intelligence to do so but unless i'm mistaken, you are not going to be that person

[rjw1985]

The problem is, Lefty, that 99% of the so called pro-Wenger posters that have ever been on here turn out to be WUMs. They post something positive about Wenger and as soon as someone argues against it they resort to calling people "fickle" or telling them to "fuck off to the chavs".

We have addressed the "wishing Wenger dead" stuff. Those that posted it were warned and we deleted the posts. We ban people as a last resort for things like WUMing or personal abuse.

Regarding rjw1985 - he hasn't argued his case. He has posted subjective stuff and a few insults and some stuff to provoke a negative reaction. That is WUMing in anyone's book, mate. And when he was warned about that he resorted to the old classic of "you are a bully".

He would be very welcome on here if he did present a decent argument and dropped the insults. I would also ask our other members to stop insulting him too.

You and others can insult me all you want, I can take it and still come back with a coherent argument. Everything you have posted is negative crap, everything I have posted is fact.

I have argued my case and I believe I have done quite well not to stoop to your levels of bully tactics - again you are not stating facts like I have done throughout.

WENGER IN!

Coherent argument? Are you kidding? I'll quote just two of your incredibly stupid comments (at the risk of being accused of "bullying" you);

1. "Wenger has won 3 times as many PL's as any Liverpool playor or manager ever".
2. “it is a massive achievement to be so consistently qualifying for the CL, Fergie couldn't do it”.

Absolute nonsense. I've actually hammered both of those ludicrously subjective statements with the FACT that many Liverpool players and a couple managers have won more League Titles than Wenger (I even named two) and stated the FACT that Ferguson won it twice whereas Wenger has never won it and is thus an also-ran in the CL - and your comeback was to accuse me of taking your comments out of context...

Both hard facts though aren't they DB10? You cannot argue with fact which is why you result to threatening and insulting me

You see, to me and most normal people, that is WUMing. To make a subjective statement and then fall back on it as fact is seriously poor debating skill and designed to provoke reaction, but you know that, don't you.

By insisting that Wenger has 3 times as many PL titles as any Liverpool player or manager you are in effect implying that only the PL should count when judging Wenger against other managers or players because that suits your argument.

You are also saying or implying that Wenger's qualifying for 20 CL comps is on a par with or better than Ferguson's CL record because he didn't qualify for 20 CL comps. Again massively subjective statement used because it suits your weak argument. In a game built around winning trophies the fact that Ferguson won it twice totally overshadows the fact that Wenger qualified for it 20 years running.

1. No you are wrong once again. Pray tell, what do you know about debating, what are your credentials on that? I'm seeing nothing of any merit in your posts so far.

2. No you are wrong once again and taking my words out of context once again - are they facts or not? Answer that honestly before you come back with some other pile of pish about trolling people.

3. No you are wrong once again, nobody ever said that and if you read my posts I said anyone would swap winning it twice for qualifying for x amount of years.

[DB10GOONER]

You and others can insult me all you want, I can take it and still come back with a coherent argument. Everything you have posted is negative crap, everything I have posted is fact.

I have argued my case and I believe I have done quite well not to stoop to your levels of bully tactics - again you are not stating facts like I have done throughout.

WENGER IN!

Coherent argument? Are you kidding? I'll quote just two of your incredibly stupid comments (at the risk of being accused of "bullying" you);

1. "Wenger has won 3 times as many PL's as any Liverpool playor or manager ever".
2. “it is a massive achievement to be so consistently qualifying for the CL, Fergie couldn't do it”.

Absolute nonsense. I've actually hammered both of those ludicrously subjective statements with the FACT that many Liverpool players and a couple managers have won more League Titles than Wenger (I even named two) and stated the FACT that Ferguson won it twice whereas Wenger has never won it and is thus an also-ran in the CL - and your comeback was to accuse me of taking your comments out of context...

Both hard facts though aren't they DB10? You cannot argue with fact which is why you result to threatening and insulting me

You see, to me and most normal people, that is WUMing. To make a subjective statement and then fall back on it as fact is seriously poor debating skill and designed to provoke reaction, but you know that, don't you.

By insisting that Wenger has 3 times as many PL titles as any Liverpool player or manager you are in effect implying that only the PL should count when judging Wenger against other managers or players because that suits your argument.

You are also saying or implying that Wenger's qualifying for 20 CL comps is on a par with or better than Ferguson's CL record because he didn't qualify for 20 CL comps. Again massively subjective statement used because it suits your weak argument. In a game built around winning trophies the fact that Ferguson won it twice totally overshadows the fact that Wenger qualified for it 20 years running.

1. No you are wrong once again. Pray tell, what do you know about debating, what are your credentials on that? I'm seeing nothing of any merit in your posts so far.

2. No you are wrong once again and taking my words out of context once again - are they facts or not? Answer that honestly before you come back with some other pile of pish about trolling people.

3. No you are wrong once again, nobody ever said that and if you read my posts I said anyone would swap winning it twice for qualifying for x amount of years.

Okay, if we are just gonna be stupid about it, I'll take your approach.

1. No you are wrong.
2. No you are wrong again.
3. No you are wrong once again.

In fact if you want to get pedantic you are absolutely wrong in your statement that "Wenger has won 3 times as many PL's as any Liverpool playor or manager ever" on two counts;

1. If none of them have won it then that is 3 x 0 which equals 0, not 3.

2. As you are insisting on being stupidly subjective I'll counter that with the fact that 1 Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish and 3 Liverpool players have won the PL; Anelka won it twice, Joe Cole won it 3 times, and Glen Johnson won it once. After all you never said they had to actually be at Liverpool when they won it, did you. Oh, is that too subjective for you?

[DB10GOONER]

Anyone remember USMartin ???

This is exactly the tactic that he used.

Enlighten me - what 'tactic' would that be

The tactic of playing the hard man one minute and the victim the next.

The tactic of using "statistics" as fact even though they are quickly pointed out to you as wrong.

The tactic of SHOUTING IN CAPITAL LETTERS

The tactic of being unable to debate with fellow fans without resorting to petulance when you are disagreed with.

The tactic of being offensive when you feel like it ( calling me a fickle fucker! ) but bleating when someone returns the favour.

We would love a "Wenger In" Gooner on here that we can have a healthy debate with but unless we're all mistaken, you aren't going to be that person.

Definite similarities...

[xgtdec]

In spite of the manager? Are you fucking serious? That is an absolutely ridiculous statement

IMO it is a massive achievement to be so consistently qualifying for the CL, Fergie couldn't do it and neither has anyone else for that matter. Everyone who has won one says it takes a little luck and without doubt if we had of had a bit of luck that night in Paris he may well have won one

Not half as ridiculous as going 2 down to what should be cannon fodder in a final and then hitting the panic button because you know your jobs on the line......also not half as ridiculous as using fergie as the yardstick...ill take 2 CL final wins all day long pal...you keep up the qualifying though....make up the numbers...good boy!!

You have to qualify to win it, albeit that has not happened yet unfortunately.

Anybody would swap winning it twice for qualifying 20 times, only a mongatron would say otherwise.

Finally - we went 2 down in a final, came back and won it, what the fuck are you crying about?

So in spite of the manager...whose genius preparations saw us 2 down within 20 minutes...the players went on to win the game.

Hahaha here we go again with this "in spite of the manager" bullshit. How can you say it's Wenger's fault we have not won more over the last few years yet when they do win something you say it was the players who did it. What a weird logic that is!!

Its any managers job to win trophies...therefore when he doesn't do it...its naturally his fault.

In the case of the final vs Hull the manager sent them out completely unprepared and found his team 2 down, The manager ran out of ideas and the players picked up the slack. We won the cup that year in spite of the manager and not because of him.

As a counter example we got mauled 8-2 at utd because of the manager, we got mauled 6-0 at chelsea because of the manager, we got turned over 3-2 by a bunch of greek farmers because of the manager.

[rjw1985]

Coherent argument? Are you kidding? I'll quote just two of your incredibly stupid comments (at the risk of being accused of "bullying" you);

1. "Wenger has won 3 times as many PL's as any Liverpool playor or manager ever".
2. “it is a massive achievement to be so consistently qualifying for the CL, Fergie couldn't do it”.

Absolute nonsense. I've actually hammered both of those ludicrously subjective statements with the FACT that many Liverpool players and a couple managers have won more League Titles than Wenger (I even named two) and stated the FACT that Ferguson won it twice whereas Wenger has never won it and is thus an also-ran in the CL - and your comeback was to accuse me of taking your comments out of context...

Both hard facts though aren't they DB10? You cannot argue with fact which is why you result to threatening and insulting me

You see, to me and most normal people, that is WUMing. To make a subjective statement and then fall back on it as fact is seriously poor debating skill and designed to provoke reaction, but you know that, don't you.

By insisting that Wenger has 3 times as many PL titles as any Liverpool player or manager you are in effect implying that only the PL should count when judging Wenger against other managers or players because that suits your argument.

You are also saying or implying that Wenger's qualifying for 20 CL comps is on a par with or better than Ferguson's CL record because he didn't qualify for 20 CL comps. Again massively subjective statement used because it suits your weak argument. In a game built around winning trophies the fact that Ferguson won it twice totally overshadows the fact that Wenger qualified for it 20 years running.

1. No you are wrong once again. Pray tell, what do you know about debating, what are your credentials on that? I'm seeing nothing of any merit in your posts so far.

2. No you are wrong once again and taking my words out of context once again - are they facts or not? Answer that honestly before you come back with some other pile of pish about trolling people.

3. No you are wrong once again, nobody ever said that and if you read my posts I said anyone would swap winning it twice for qualifying for x amount of years.

Okay, if we are just gonna be stupid about it, I'll take your approach.

1. No you are wrong.
2. No you are wrong again.
3. No you are wrong once again.

In fact if you want to get pedantic you are absolutely wrong in your statement that "Wenger has won 3 times as many PL's as any Liverpool playor or manager ever" on two counts;

1. If none of them have won it then that is 3 x 0 which equals 0, not 3.

2. As you are insisting on being stupidly subjective I'll counter that with the fact that 1 Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish and 3 Liverpool players have won the PL; Anelka won it twice, Joe Cole won it 3 times, and Glen Johnson won it once. After all you never said they had to actually be at Liverpool when they won it, did you. Oh, is that too subjective for you?

Look at the state of your reply, and you have the cheek to question anyone's ability to debate lol

At least I backed up why you were wrong instead of just saying you are wrong hahaha this is like debating with a 5 year old

Now let me educate you on mathematics a little more as your grasp of the subject is about as advanced as your grasp on debating. So Liverfool won 0 PL titles 0 times, 0 ^ 0 =1. Wenger has won the PL title 3 times. 1 x 3 = 3, simple to work out (for some)