THE WENGER THREAD

[Redarmy]

@ rjw1985 When I saw your first few posts yesterday my first thought was that you were posting to get a reaction. Now I am sure of it. Not only that, you are coming across as one of those shrill liberals who want everyone who doesn't agree with them to fuck off, then whine & bitch when people return the compliment. Grow up you sound like a fucking child.

Just beacuse my posts did not agree with the majority of posters does not mean I am posting for a reaction, once again i'm simply stating my opinion.

I have not told anyone to fuck off for not agreeing, in fact it's been more the other way round. Getting abused for not agreeing with you guys is not cool at all. Which part was childish, I'm struggling to see where you are coming from on that point.

And once again I DON'T CARE HOW I COME ACROSS TO YOU, YOU MEAN NOTHING TO ME.

fair enough....just defend your corner....i for one appreciate different viewpoints

[rjw1985]

Not half as ridiculous as going 2 down to what should be cannon fodder in a final and then hitting the panic button because you know your jobs on the line......also not half as ridiculous as using fergie as the yardstick...ill take 2 CL final wins all day long pal...you keep up the qualifying though....make up the numbers...good boy!!

You have to qualify to win it, albeit that has not happened yet unfortunately.

Anybody would swap winning it twice for qualifying 20 times, only a mongatron would say otherwise.

Finally - we went 2 down in a final, came back and won it, what the fuck are you crying about?

So in spite of the manager...whose genius preparations saw us 2 down within 20 minutes...the players went on to win the game.

Hahaha here we go again with this "in spite of the manager" bullshit. How can you say it's Wenger's fault we have not won more over the last few years yet when they do win something you say it was the players who did it. What a weird logic that is!!

Its any managers job to win trophies...therefore when he doesn't do it...its naturally his fault.

In the case of the final vs Hull the manager sent them out completely unprepared and found his team 2 down, The manager ran out of ideas and the players picked up the slack. We won the cup that year in spite of the manager and not because of him.

As a counter example we got mauled 8-2 at utd because of the manager, we got mauled 6-0 at chelsea because of the manager, we got turned over 3-2 by a bunch of greek farmers because of the manager.

What you are saying is completely idiotic and anyone with a modicum of intelligence can see that.

You are actually serious too which is concerning for your general well being....don't forget to breathe!

So with that logic, its the manager's fault if we lose games/trophies but the players fault when we win them??? Thanks for the genius insight

[rjw1985]

@ rjw1985 When I saw your first few posts yesterday my first thought was that you were posting to get a reaction. Now I am sure of it. Not only that, you are coming across as one of those shrill liberals who want everyone who doesn't agree with them to fuck off, then whine & bitch when people return the compliment. Grow up you sound like a fucking child.

Just beacuse my posts did not agree with the majority of posters does not mean I am posting for a reaction, once again i'm simply stating my opinion.

I have not told anyone to fuck off for not agreeing, in fact it's been more the other way round. Getting abused for not agreeing with you guys is not cool at all. Which part was childish, I'm struggling to see where you are coming from on that point.

And once again I DON'T CARE HOW I COME ACROSS TO YOU, YOU MEAN NOTHING TO ME.

fair enough....just defend your corner....i for one appreciate different viewpoints

Cool, that is a refreshing outlook compared to most on here.

I will continue to fight my corner sir, no danger of that

[DB10GOONER]

Both hard facts though aren't they DB10? You cannot argue with fact which is why you result to threatening and insulting me

You see, to me and most normal people, that is WUMing. To make a subjective statement and then fall back on it as fact is seriously poor debating skill and designed to provoke reaction, but you know that, don't you.

By insisting that Wenger has 3 times as many PL titles as any Liverpool player or manager you are in effect implying that only the PL should count when judging Wenger against other managers or players because that suits your argument.

You are also saying or implying that Wenger's qualifying for 20 CL comps is on a par with or better than Ferguson's CL record because he didn't qualify for 20 CL comps. Again massively subjective statement used because it suits your weak argument. In a game built around winning trophies the fact that Ferguson won it twice totally overshadows the fact that Wenger qualified for it 20 years running.

1. No you are wrong once again. Pray tell, what do you know about debating, what are your credentials on that? I'm seeing nothing of any merit in your posts so far.

2. No you are wrong once again and taking my words out of context once again - are they facts or not? Answer that honestly before you come back with some other pile of pish about trolling people.

3. No you are wrong once again, nobody ever said that and if you read my posts I said anyone would swap winning it twice for qualifying for x amount of years.

Okay, if we are just gonna be stupid about it, I'll take your approach.

1. No you are wrong.
2. No you are wrong again.
3. No you are wrong once again.

In fact if you want to get pedantic you are absolutely wrong in your statement that "Wenger has won 3 times as many PL's as any Liverpool playor or manager ever" on two counts;

1. If none of them have won it then that is 3 x 0 which equals 0, not 3.

2. As you are insisting on being stupidly subjective I'll counter that with the fact that 1 Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish and 3 Liverpool players have won the PL; Anelka won it twice, Joe Cole won it 3 times, and Glen Johnson won it once. After all you never said they had to actually be at Liverpool when they won it, did you. Oh, is that too subjective for you?

Look at the state of your reply, and you have the cheek to question anyone's ability to debate lol

At least I backed up why you were wrong instead of just saying you are wrong hahaha this is like debating with a 5 year old

Now let me educate you on mathematics a little more as your grasp of the subject is about as advanced as your grasp on debating. So Liverfool won 0 PL titles 0 times, 0 ^ 0 =1. Wenger has won the PL title 3 times. 1 x 3 = 3, simple to work out (for some)

You really are a dullard. You backed up nothing. Read your post again. You are wrong.

Now let me educate you on mathematics. We are talking real world mathematics, not theoretical exponents with components used as "convenience" factors. Here in the real world where Wenger is a busted flush, we count zero as zero and three times zero is zero. Do you follow? Shall I go slower? So typical of an AKB sheep to use a theoretical argument with no relevence to the actual argument. This is how you people get "4th place is success" and "20 years qualifying for a competition we cannot win and have never won is a real achievement".

If you are going to google something, at least google the correct thing to attempt to back up your weak subjective argument and poor attempt at condescension. Here, read this; http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/69917.html

Now, slowly, read this part in particular;

"The fact is, we DON'T prove that 0^0 is 1!... ....However, 0^0 is an unusual indeterminate case, in that for most purposes the value 1 is appropriate. When working with those formulas, we arbitrarily define 0^0 as equal to 1, so that the formulas work neatly. This is not something we prove, but just a definition that works in these cases."

And this;

http://mathforum.org/dr.math/faq/faq.0.to.0.power.html

[flash gunner]

wow this forum never ceases to amaze me now its a mathematics lesson to prove Wenger should have gone years ago

[Redarmy]

wow this forum never ceases to amaze me now its a mathematics lesson to prove Wenger should have gone years ago

wish i had paid more attention in Maths class now.....

[rjw1985]

You see, to me and most normal people, that is WUMing. To make a subjective statement and then fall back on it as fact is seriously poor debating skill and designed to provoke reaction, but you know that, don't you.

By insisting that Wenger has 3 times as many PL titles as any Liverpool player or manager you are in effect implying that only the PL should count when judging Wenger against other managers or players because that suits your argument.

You are also saying or implying that Wenger's qualifying for 20 CL comps is on a par with or better than Ferguson's CL record because he didn't qualify for 20 CL comps. Again massively subjective statement used because it suits your weak argument. In a game built around winning trophies the fact that Ferguson won it twice totally overshadows the fact that Wenger qualified for it 20 years running.

1. No you are wrong once again. Pray tell, what do you know about debating, what are your credentials on that? I'm seeing nothing of any merit in your posts so far.

2. No you are wrong once again and taking my words out of context once again - are they facts or not? Answer that honestly before you come back with some other pile of pish about trolling people.

3. No you are wrong once again, nobody ever said that and if you read my posts I said anyone would swap winning it twice for qualifying for x amount of years.

Okay, if we are just gonna be stupid about it, I'll take your approach.

1. No you are wrong.
2. No you are wrong again.
3. No you are wrong once again.

In fact if you want to get pedantic you are absolutely wrong in your statement that "Wenger has won 3 times as many PL's as any Liverpool playor or manager ever" on two counts;

1. If none of them have won it then that is 3 x 0 which equals 0, not 3.

2. As you are insisting on being stupidly subjective I'll counter that with the fact that 1 Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish and 3 Liverpool players have won the PL; Anelka won it twice, Joe Cole won it 3 times, and Glen Johnson won it once. After all you never said they had to actually be at Liverpool when they won it, did you. Oh, is that too subjective for you?

Look at the state of your reply, and you have the cheek to question anyone's ability to debate lol

At least I backed up why you were wrong instead of just saying you are wrong hahaha this is like debating with a 5 year old

Now let me educate you on mathematics a little more as your grasp of the subject is about as advanced as your grasp on debating. So Liverfool won 0 PL titles 0 times, 0 ^ 0 =1. Wenger has won the PL title 3 times. 1 x 3 = 3, simple to work out (for some)

You really are a dullard. You backed up nothing. Read your post again. You are wrong.

Now let me educate you on mathematics. We are talking real world mathematics, not theoretical exponents with components used as "convenience" factors. Here in the real world where Wenger is a busted flush, we count zero as zero and three times zero is zero. Do you follow? Shall I go slower? So typical of an AKB sheep to use a theoretical argument with no relevence to the actual argument. This is how you people get "4th place is success" and "20 years qualifying for a competition we cannot win and have never won is a real achievement".

If you are going to google something, at least google the correct thing to attempt to back up your weak subjective argument and poor attempt at condescension. Here, read this; http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/69917.html

Now, slowly, read this part in particular;

"The fact is, we DON'T prove that 0^0 is 1!... ....However, 0^0 is an unusual indeterminate case, in that for most purposes the value 1 is appropriate. When working with those formulas, we arbitrarily define 0^0 as equal to 1, so that the formulas work neatly. This is not something we prove, but just a definition that works in these cases."

And this;

http://mathforum.org/dr.math/faq/faq.0.to.0.power.html

I'm not stupid in the slightest and you know that. You are seething at the fact that I put you back in your box once again. Well done for googling it and copying and pasting something you clearly have no grasp on, quite an achievement for a mongatron

Exposing you for the bully and keyboard warrior that you are.

Thanks for backing up my definition that works mathematically.

So as an Arsenal fan you believe we can never win the CL - what a great person to have around the club!

[Jumpers For Goalposts]

wow this forum never ceases to amaze me now its a mathematics lesson to prove Wenger should have gone years ago

I've used a maths equation about Wenger for a while now. It's 10 = 45.

Which translates to 10+ years without challenging for the League Title or the European Cup = P45

[rjw1985]

wow this forum never ceases to amaze me now its a mathematics lesson to prove Wenger should have gone years ago

I've used a maths equation about Wenger for a while now. It's 10 = 45.

Which translates to 10+ years without challenging for the League Title or the European Cup = P45

haha very good

[xgtdec]

You have to qualify to win it, albeit that has not happened yet unfortunately.

Anybody would swap winning it twice for qualifying 20 times, only a mongatron would say otherwise.

Finally - we went 2 down in a final, came back and won it, what the fuck are you crying about?

So in spite of the manager...whose genius preparations saw us 2 down within 20 minutes...the players went on to win the game.

Hahaha here we go again with this "in spite of the manager" bullshit. How can you say it's Wenger's fault we have not won more over the last few years yet when they do win something you say it was the players who did it. What a weird logic that is!!

Its any managers job to win trophies...therefore when he doesn't do it...its naturally his fault.

In the case of the final vs Hull the manager sent them out completely unprepared and found his team 2 down, The manager ran out of ideas and the players picked up the slack. We won the cup that year in spite of the manager and not because of him.

As a counter example we got mauled 8-2 at utd because of the manager, we got mauled 6-0 at chelsea because of the manager, we got turned over 3-2 by a bunch of greek farmers because of the manager.

What you are saying is completely idiotic and anyone with a modicum of intelligence can see that.

You are actually serious too which is concerning for your general well being....don't forget to breathe!

So with that logic, its the manager's fault if we lose games/trophies but the players fault when we win them??? Thanks for the genius insight

Within the confines of the specific games we are talking about yes that is exactly what i'm saying, The cup final vs Hull was won in spite of wenger, the invincibles season title was won in part because of wenger, the hammerings of recent times were bacause of wenger. I wouldnt apply that logic to all games in a season as its too broad a spectrum but within the confines of individual games it pretty easy to pin point the choices by managers and players that won/lost the game.

Suggesting i don't have a modicum of intelligence on the other hand is downright rude, my carers say im a real bright spark at building blocks on a Wednesday morning.

[rjw1985]

So in spite of the manager...whose genius preparations saw us 2 down within 20 minutes...the players went on to win the game.

Hahaha here we go again with this "in spite of the manager" bullshit. How can you say it's Wenger's fault we have not won more over the last few years yet when they do win something you say it was the players who did it. What a weird logic that is!!

Its any managers job to win trophies...therefore when he doesn't do it...its naturally his fault.

In the case of the final vs Hull the manager sent them out completely unprepared and found his team 2 down, The manager ran out of ideas and the players picked up the slack. We won the cup that year in spite of the manager and not because of him.

As a counter example we got mauled 8-2 at utd because of the manager, we got mauled 6-0 at chelsea because of the manager, we got turned over 3-2 by a bunch of greek farmers because of the manager.

What you are saying is completely idiotic and anyone with a modicum of intelligence can see that.

You are actually serious too which is concerning for your general well being....don't forget to breathe!

So with that logic, its the manager's fault if we lose games/trophies but the players fault when we win them??? Thanks for the genius insight

Within the confines of the specific games we are talking about yes that is exactly what i'm saying, The cup final vs Hull was won in spite of wenger, the invincibles season title was won in part because of wenger, the hammerings of recent times were bacause of wenger. I wouldnt apply that logic to all games in a season as its too broad a spectrum but within the confines of individual games it pretty easy to pin point the choices by managers and players that won/lost the game.

Suggesting i don't have a modicum of intelligence on the other hand is downright rude, my carers say im a real bright spark at building blocks on a Wednesday morning.

yeah they were probably just trying to humour you

[silus]

Bloody hell....it's like being at a match with all the insults flying about.
Eveerytime I go I end up in the same arguments with akbs....it amazes me how their logic works, but they probably think the same about us.

For what it's worth, we could do with some opposing views on here as every thread turns into a moan about Wenger (myself included)...I dont think the newbie is on the wind up and he was called names first.

Maybe everyone should refrain from the name calling and we can have a proper debate...how ever ridiculous you think the others points of view are.

[DB10GOONER]

1. No you are wrong once again. Pray tell, what do you know about debating, what are your credentials on that? I'm seeing nothing of any merit in your posts so far.

2. No you are wrong once again and taking my words out of context once again - are they facts or not? Answer that honestly before you come back with some other pile of pish about trolling people.

3. No you are wrong once again, nobody ever said that and if you read my posts I said anyone would swap winning it twice for qualifying for x amount of years.

Okay, if we are just gonna be stupid about it, I'll take your approach.

1. No you are wrong.
2. No you are wrong again.
3. No you are wrong once again.

In fact if you want to get pedantic you are absolutely wrong in your statement that "Wenger has won 3 times as many PL's as any Liverpool playor or manager ever" on two counts;

1. If none of them have won it then that is 3 x 0 which equals 0, not 3.

2. As you are insisting on being stupidly subjective I'll counter that with the fact that 1 Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish and 3 Liverpool players have won the PL; Anelka won it twice, Joe Cole won it 3 times, and Glen Johnson won it once. After all you never said they had to actually be at Liverpool when they won it, did you. Oh, is that too subjective for you?

Look at the state of your reply, and you have the cheek to question anyone's ability to debate lol

At least I backed up why you were wrong instead of just saying you are wrong hahaha this is like debating with a 5 year old

Now let me educate you on mathematics a little more as your grasp of the subject is about as advanced as your grasp on debating. So Liverfool won 0 PL titles 0 times, 0 ^ 0 =1. Wenger has won the PL title 3 times. 1 x 3 = 3, simple to work out (for some)

You really are a dullard. You backed up nothing. Read your post again. You are wrong.

Now let me educate you on mathematics. We are talking real world mathematics, not theoretical exponents with components used as "convenience" factors. Here in the real world where Wenger is a busted flush, we count zero as zero and three times zero is zero. Do you follow? Shall I go slower? So typical of an AKB sheep to use a theoretical argument with no relevence to the actual argument. This is how you people get "4th place is success" and "20 years qualifying for a competition we cannot win and have never won is a real achievement".

If you are going to google something, at least google the correct thing to attempt to back up your weak subjective argument and poor attempt at condescension. Here, read this; http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/69917.html

Now, slowly, read this part in particular;

"The fact is, we DON'T prove that 0^0 is 1!... ....However, 0^0 is an unusual indeterminate case, in that for most purposes the value 1 is appropriate. When working with those formulas, we arbitrarily define 0^0 as equal to 1, so that the formulas work neatly. This is not something we prove, but just a definition that works in these cases."

And this;

http://mathforum.org/dr.math/faq/faq.0.to.0.power.html

I'm not stupid in the slightest and you know that. You are seething at the fact that I put you back in your box once again. Well done for googling it and copying and pasting something you clearly have no grasp on, quite an achievement for a mongatron

Exposing you for the bully and keyboard warrior that you are.

Thanks for backing up my definition that works mathematically.

So as an Arsenal fan you believe we can never win the CL - what a great person to have around the club!

"seething"
"mongatron"
"bully and keyboard warrior"

Yeah... you are reminding me of an ex-member we had here that could not accept an argument without resorting to insults and statements like "I put you back in your box".

I'm gonna give you one last warning. Drop the continuous personal insults or you will be banned. We don't mind the odd flare up on here but since you have joined you have continuously thrown personal insults at every single person that has tried to debate with you - even those that have not engaged in insult-swapping with you. The only reason you are still here is because a few people have also insulted you, and as I say we accept the odd flare up. I'm trying to be fair here but if you keep up the personal abuse you will be banned.

Also, I never said I "believe we can never win the CL". I said it is a competition "we cannot win and have never won", obviously I was inferring that we cannot win it under Wenger. If you were half as intelligent as you like to pretend and less deliberately selective and subjective you would have understood that.

[DB10GOONER]

Bloody hell....it's like being at a match with all the insults flying about.
Eveerytime I go I end up in the same arguments with akbs....it amazes me how their logic works, but they probably think the same about us.

For what it's worth, we could do with some opposing views on here as every thread turns into a moan about Wenger (myself included)...I dont think the newbie is on the wind up and he was called names first.

Maybe everyone should refrain from the name calling and we can have a proper debate...how ever ridiculous you think the others points of view are.

Good post mate. And the only reason I haven't banned rjw1985 is because he was greeted with insults initially. But he has also kept up the personal abuse which is starting to go beyond what can be reasonably excused as an acceptable flare-up. Continuous personal abuse is a banning offence. It's up to him at this point.

[augie]

FFS can you all just ignore him ?? Wumming works only when people take the bait, so the onus is on you lot to ignore IF you are convinced that he is a wum (as I am).

For the record, can I just say that it is my feeling on the notion that people that do not conform to the majority on here are not wanted, is absolute crap - for years here I was in the minority by an absolute mile, and at no stage was I threatened with expulsion or made feel that I wasn't welcomed here. What I did was debated my points with the conviction I felt was necessary, and by and large (with the odd exception) I didn't get into an insulting or name calling hissy fit. It was quickly made clear to me what is expected of me on here and how things work, and I accepted that without insult and accepted it cos I realized that I was a newbie and needed to prove myself so to speak

Now things have totally reversed and the wob are very much in the majority here (that's not me saying that I was right all along though ), and it seems to me that those who still support wenker want to play the victim card and claim that they are not wanted or made to feel welcome on here - do you think that the regulars should cast aside their passionate viewpoints just to roll out the red carpet for the wenker supporters ? A few years ago it would probably been easier to debate many of the wob than it is now, but you have to realise and accept that anger and frustration amongst the Gooner fanbase is probably the highest it has been for the past 35 years. If people want to support wenker then that is fine with me, but do so based on sensible reasoned points (trophies won over a decade ago does not qualify, and the 20 years in champs league stinks of a premier league Gooner).

Obviously this isn't aimed at the new poster cos I still believe that he is a wum, but is aimed at the long term members who seem to think that this is a communist state where total agreement is needed to be accepted