As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
wibble wrote:Rjm1985-do you honestly feel qualifying for the champions league consecutively for 20 years is better than winning it twice?
At least you have provided us with something different to read on the wenger thread instead of the monotonous (although justifiable and accurate) moaning
Also interesting to see on the other, now locked thread that wenger has 100% backing from this forum to sign a new contract!
I've answered to the contrary about 5 times, you clearly didn't read the last few pages
rjw1985 wrote:OK so first of all I'd like to apologies for any insults, that is not on and I accept that. It was reactionary to the abuse I felt I was getting from the get go but still doesn't make it right.
Now back to the point at hand and hopefully we can get some serious and meaningful debate occurring, I believe Wenger should be given another year contract extension out of respect for being the greatest manager we have ever had and bringing some of the greatest players we have ever had to the club. He should be allowed to stay to facilitate the resigning of Sanchez and Ozil, who I'm convinced will both leave at the end of the season if Wenger goes too.
I dont like the term 'get go' but ill let you off (for now)
rodders999 wrote:By the way mods it's an absolute travesty that there's currently a poll on the main page that is 100% in favour of Wenger staying on at the end of the season.
No point bragging about being able to post in locked threads unless you're willing to do something bloody productive with it.
rjw1985 wrote:OK so first of all I'd like to apologies for any insults, that is not on and I accept that. It was reactionary to the abuse I felt I was getting from the get go but still doesn't make it right.
Now back to the point at hand and hopefully we can get some serious and meaningful debate occurring, I believe Wenger should be given another year contract extension out of respect for being the greatest manager we have ever had and bringing some of the greatest players we have ever had to the club. He should be allowed to stay to facilitate the resigning of Sanchez and Ozil, who I'm convinced will both leave at the end of the season if Wenger goes too.
I dont like the term 'get go' but ill let you off (for now)
rjw1985 wrote:OK so first of all I'd like to apologies for any insults, that is not on and I accept that. It was reactionary to the abuse I felt I was getting from the get go but still doesn't make it right.
Now back to the point at hand and hopefully we can get some serious and meaningful debate occurring, I believe Wenger should be given another year contract extension out of respect for being the greatest manager we have ever had and bringing some of the greatest players we have ever had to the club. He should be allowed to stay to facilitate the resigning of Sanchez and Ozil, who I'm convinced will both leave at the end of the season if Wenger goes too.
I dont like the term 'get go' but ill let you off (for now)
I like the term tbh and have done since the get go!
rjw1985 wrote:OK so first of all I'd like to apologies for any insults, that is not on and I accept that. It was reactionary to the abuse I felt I was getting from the get go but still doesn't make it right.
Now back to the point at hand and hopefully we can get some serious and meaningful debate occurring, I believe Wenger should be given another year contract extension out of respect for being the greatest manager we have ever had and bringing some of the greatest players we have ever had to the club. He should be allowed to stay to facilitate the resigning of Sanchez and Ozil, who I'm convinced will both leave at the end of the season if Wenger goes too.
Wenger didn't bring Ozil and Sanchez to Arsenal, they were board signings to try quell the very obvious unrest among the locals, Its been a very long time since Arsenal FC actively competed for a players signature and won...both Ozil and Sanchez were surplus to requirements hence their respective availability! Wengers record in the transfer market is equally as incompetent as his record in the PL for the last 10 years.
rjw1985 wrote:OK so first of all I'd like to apologies for any insults, that is not on and I accept that. It was reactionary to the abuse I felt I was getting from the get go but still doesn't make it right.
Now back to the point at hand and hopefully we can get some serious and meaningful debate occurring, I believe Wenger should be given another year contract extension out of respect for being the greatest manager we have ever had and bringing some of the greatest players we have ever had to the club. He should be allowed to stay to facilitate the resigning of Sanchez and Ozil, who I'm convinced will both leave at the end of the season if Wenger goes too.
Nobody, no matter the profession, should be given a contract extension based on nostalgia or due to their performance a decade plus ago. If you no longer cut the mustard, then despite what you have achieved in the past, it's time to say goodbye. (There's a banner in there somewhere)
I also think you're completely wrong about the Ozil/Sanchez situation, for me Ozil stays no matter who the manager is next season. I think he's very happy in the city and I don't see any of the massive European clubs coming in for him so he signs.
The only hope we have of keeping Alexis is by bringing in a manager who will make us serious contenders for the two big prizes. No way he's hanging around for another 4 seasons under the current "happy to take part" regime.
rjw1985 wrote:OK so first of all I'd like to apologies for any insults, that is not on and I accept that. It was reactionary to the abuse I felt I was getting from the get go but still doesn't make it right.
Now back to the point at hand and hopefully we can get some serious and meaningful debate occurring, I believe Wenger should be given another year contract extension out of respect for being the greatest manager we have ever had and bringing some of the greatest players we have ever had to the club. He should be allowed to stay to facilitate the resigning of Sanchez and Ozil, who I'm convinced will both leave at the end of the season if Wenger goes too.
Fair enough.
Personally I used to be of the mindset that Wenger deserved to be respected for his achievements in that first decade and I had wanted him to leave with his head held high and dignity intact. But even that has been eroded away over the last 10 years. I don't hate him the way many on here do. I can't. The man gave me some of the best footballing times I ever had. Similarly - unlike the bastard Flash ( ) - I can forgive GG managing the scum for the same reasons.
I want Wenger gone more than any Arsenal manager in my time as a Gooner.
The repeated mistakes by Wenger over the last 10 years have cost us dearly. The renewing and extending of contracts for players proven to be poor or rubbish (often with insane pay hikes), the failure to strengthen in January in a couple of seasons when doing so could have won us the PL only to watch our challenge wilt under the usual squad exhaustion, player fatigue, injuries and loss in form - all these mistakes are made on an annual basis and the fact he keeps making them is criminal.
rjw1985 wrote:OK so first of all I'd like to apologies for any insults, that is not on and I accept that. It was reactionary to the abuse I felt I was getting from the get go but still doesn't make it right.
Now back to the point at hand and hopefully we can get some serious and meaningful debate occurring, I believe Wenger should be given another year contract extension out of respect for being the greatest manager we have ever had and bringing some of the greatest players we have ever had to the club. He should be allowed to stay to facilitate the resigning of Sanchez and Ozil, who I'm convinced will both leave at the end of the season if Wenger goes too.
Fair enough.
Personally I used to be of the mindset that Wenger deserved to be respected for his achievements in that first decade and I had wanted him to leave with his head held high and dignity intact. But even that has been eroded away over the last 10 years. I don't hate him the way many on here do. I can't. The man gave me some of the best footballing times I ever had. Similarly - unlike the bastard Flash ( ) - I can forgive GG managing the scum for the same reasons.
I want Wenger gone more than any Arsenal manager in my time as a Gooner.
The repeated mistakes by Wenger over the last 10 years have cost us dearly. The renewing and extending of contracts for players proven to be poor or rubbish (often with insane pay hikes), the failure to strengthen in January in a couple of seasons when doing so could have won us the PL only to watch our challenge wilt under the usual squad exhaustion, player fatigue, injuries and loss in form - all these mistakes are made on an annual basis and the fact he keeps making them is criminal.
rjw1985 wrote:OK so first of all I'd like to apologies for any insults, that is not on and I accept that. It was reactionary to the abuse I felt I was getting from the get go but still doesn't make it right.
Now back to the point at hand and hopefully we can get some serious and meaningful debate occurring, I believe Wenger should be given another year contract extension out of respect for being the greatest manager we have ever had and bringing some of the greatest players we have ever had to the club. He should be allowed to stay to facilitate the resigning of Sanchez and Ozil, who I'm convinced will both leave at the end of the season if Wenger goes too.
Wenger didn't bring Ozil and Sanchez to Arsenal, they were board signings to try quell the very obvious unrest among the locals, Its been a very long time since Arsenal FC actively competed for a players signature and won...both Ozil and Sanchez were surplus to requirements hence their respective availability! Wengers record in the transfer market is equally as incompetent as his record in the PL for the last 10 years.
Oh that's convenient also, so he was responsible for the crap signings but not the good ones!! My God this is good
rjw1985 wrote:OK so first of all I'd like to apologies for any insults, that is not on and I accept that. It was reactionary to the abuse I felt I was getting from the get go but still doesn't make it right.
Now back to the point at hand and hopefully we can get some serious and meaningful debate occurring, I believe Wenger should be given another year contract extension out of respect for being the greatest manager we have ever had and bringing some of the greatest players we have ever had to the club. He should be allowed to stay to facilitate the resigning of Sanchez and Ozil, who I'm convinced will both leave at the end of the season if Wenger goes too.
Nobody, no matter the profession, should be given a contract extension based on nostalgia or due to their performance a decade plus ago. If you no longer cut the mustard, then despite what you have achieved in the past, it's time to say goodbye. (There's a banner in there somewhere)
I also think you're completely wrong about the Ozil/Sanchez situation, for me Ozil stays no matter who the manager is next season. I think he's very happy in the city and I don't see any of the massive European clubs coming in for him so he signs.
The only hope we have of keeping Alexis is by bringing in a manager who will make us serious contenders for the two big prizes. No way he's hanging around for another 4 seasons under the current "happy to take part" regime.
I'm pretty sure Ozil was quoted as saying that main reason he signed for us was because of Wenger and also that he was waiting to see what Wenger's future was with the club before deciding his own. That tells me he will leave if Wenger does.
rjw1985 wrote:OK so first of all I'd like to apologies for any insults, that is not on and I accept that. It was reactionary to the abuse I felt I was getting from the get go but still doesn't make it right.
Now back to the point at hand and hopefully we can get some serious and meaningful debate occurring, I believe Wenger should be given another year contract extension out of respect for being the greatest manager we have ever had and bringing some of the greatest players we have ever had to the club. He should be allowed to stay to facilitate the resigning of Sanchez and Ozil, who I'm convinced will both leave at the end of the season if Wenger goes too.
Wenger didn't bring Ozil and Sanchez to Arsenal, they were board signings to try quell the very obvious unrest among the locals, Its been a very long time since Arsenal FC actively competed for a players signature and won...both Ozil and Sanchez were surplus to requirements hence their respective availability! Wengers record in the transfer market is equally as incompetent as his record in the PL for the last 10 years.
Oh that's convenient also, so he was responsible for the crap signings but not the good ones!! My God this is good
Nobody said that at all.....in the cases of Sanchez and Ozil im saying that they were not wenger signings, where as in the case of Viera its widely believed Wenger lined him up before taking the job so Viera is a good wenger signing.
rjw1985 wrote:OK so first of all I'd like to apologies for any insults, that is not on and I accept that. It was reactionary to the abuse I felt I was getting from the get go but still doesn't make it right.
Now back to the point at hand and hopefully we can get some serious and meaningful debate occurring, I believe Wenger should be given another year contract extension out of respect for being the greatest manager we have ever had and bringing some of the greatest players we have ever had to the club. He should be allowed to stay to facilitate the resigning of Sanchez and Ozil, who I'm convinced will both leave at the end of the season if Wenger goes too.
Fair enough.
Personally I used to be of the mindset that Wenger deserved to be respected for his achievements in that first decade and I had wanted him to leave with his head held high and dignity intact. But even that has been eroded away over the last 10 years. I don't hate him the way many on here do. I can't. The man gave me some of the best footballing times I ever had. Similarly - unlike the bastard Flash ( ) - I can forgive GG managing the scum for the same reasons.
I want Wenger gone more than any Arsenal manager in my time as a Gooner.
The repeated mistakes by Wenger over the last 10 years have cost us dearly. The renewing and extending of contracts for players proven to be poor or rubbish (often with insane pay hikes), the failure to strengthen in January in a couple of seasons when doing so could have won us the PL only to watch our challenge wilt under the usual squad exhaustion, player fatigue, injuries and loss in form - all these mistakes are made on an annual basis and the fact he keeps making them is criminal.
Some points well made that I cannot disagree with but please don't come at me with this 'player exhaustion/fatigue/form/injury' rubbish. These players are paid more in a week than most of us earn in years of actual, real hard fucking work - for running round a field for 90 minutes twice a week - come on man these guys need to wake up and take more responsibility for not winning much for the last decade. I truly believe Wenger built a strong enough squad and did as much as he could to get this team ready to win the PL last year but they bottled it and let him down
rjw1985 wrote:OK so first of all I'd like to apologies for any insults, that is not on and I accept that. It was reactionary to the abuse I felt I was getting from the get go but still doesn't make it right.
Now back to the point at hand and hopefully we can get some serious and meaningful debate occurring, I believe Wenger should be given another year contract extension out of respect for being the greatest manager we have ever had and bringing some of the greatest players we have ever had to the club. He should be allowed to stay to facilitate the resigning of Sanchez and Ozil, who I'm convinced will both leave at the end of the season if Wenger goes too.
Nobody, no matter the profession, should be given a contract extension based on nostalgia or due to their performance a decade plus ago. If you no longer cut the mustard, then despite what you have achieved in the past, it's time to say goodbye. (There's a banner in there somewhere)
I also think you're completely wrong about the Ozil/Sanchez situation, for me Ozil stays no matter who the manager is next season. I think he's very happy in the city and I don't see any of the massive European clubs coming in for him so he signs.
The only hope we have of keeping Alexis is by bringing in a manager who will make us serious contenders for the two big prizes. No way he's hanging around for another 4 seasons under the current "happy to take part" regime.
I'm pretty sure Ozil was quoted as saying that main reason he signed for us was because of Wenger and also that he was waiting to see what Wenger's future was with the club before deciding his own. That tells me he will leave if Wenger does.
Ozil was indeed quoted as saying both. It's well established on here I think Ozil is our best player (yep Sanchez works harder and is more effective) but as technical visionary footballers go, Ozil is up near the Bergkamp category for me, but I would certainly be willing to lose Ozil and Sanchez if it meant also getting rid of Wenger. We need a new manager with new ideas.
rjw1985 wrote:OK so first of all I'd like to apologies for any insults, that is not on and I accept that. It was reactionary to the abuse I felt I was getting from the get go but still doesn't make it right.
Now back to the point at hand and hopefully we can get some serious and meaningful debate occurring, I believe Wenger should be given another year contract extension out of respect for being the greatest manager we have ever had and bringing some of the greatest players we have ever had to the club. He should be allowed to stay to facilitate the resigning of Sanchez and Ozil, who I'm convinced will both leave at the end of the season if Wenger goes too.
Fair enough.
Personally I used to be of the mindset that Wenger deserved to be respected for his achievements in that first decade and I had wanted him to leave with his head held high and dignity intact. But even that has been eroded away over the last 10 years. I don't hate him the way many on here do. I can't. The man gave me some of the best footballing times I ever had. Similarly - unlike the bastard Flash ( ) - I can forgive GG managing the scum for the same reasons.
I want Wenger gone more than any Arsenal manager in my time as a Gooner.
The repeated mistakes by Wenger over the last 10 years have cost us dearly. The renewing and extending of contracts for players proven to be poor or rubbish (often with insane pay hikes), the failure to strengthen in January in a couple of seasons when doing so could have won us the PL only to watch our challenge wilt under the usual squad exhaustion, player fatigue, injuries and loss in form - all these mistakes are made on an annual basis and the fact he keeps making them is criminal.
Some points well made that I cannot disagree with but please don't come at me with this 'player exhaustion/fatigue/form/injury' rubbish. These players are paid more in a week than most of us earn in years of actual, real hard fucking work - for running round a field for 90 minutes twice a week - come on man these guys need to wake up and take more responsibility for not winning much for the last decade. I truly believe Wenger built a strong enough squad and did as much as he could to get this team ready to win the PL last year but they bottled it and let him down
You have to take a look at how the game and training techniques have changed and how players have changed. Being exhausted is not just about being physically tired but also mentally sharp. The first 5 yards in any footballer is in their head. It's an old old saying but it is true. And form? Form is the great intangible. A player can be world class for months on end and then suddenly no rhyme or reason he goes to shit.
We look on modern players as pampered molly coddled brats that don't work hard and to some extent that is true. But the physical and psychological impact of playing a high performance sport competitively at the highest level every 3 or 4 days (on average) is mentally draining. That's why you need a squad and why there has to be a decent level in the squad players that come in when the first choice players get injured or tired or drop in form.
And I agree there have been players that have let Wenger down. But then surely it is Wenger's job to either man-manage better performances out of them or drop them and replace them with better motivated players? He does neither. If he hadn't persisted with a seriously off-form Giroud for the entire second half of last season, who knows what we might have achieved... but he did persist with him.
