THE WENGER THREAD

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Redarmy wrote:
GoonerMuzz wrote:
armchair wrote:Will everybody stop being so pessimistic. For the first time in 10 fuckin years we can see the light at the end of the tunnel.
Yes if he had any decency he'd have left already. But we all know he hasnt a shred of decency in his body so we're gonna have to suffer on until May.

But thats it. Come May our nightmare is over.
Hallelua brother!
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I truly hope you're right Armchair i really do but this is Teflon Arsene you're talking about, allow some of us some pessimism after all he's survived every shit thing he's done so far :banghead:

Im praying your right.....this misery has to end, we need our club back
One thing i do want to see when he finally goes is a return to our historical roots, for all the time he and the latest owners have been at the club its been like there has been a conscious effort to bury our history pre-1996 by the cult of 'Arsene', i'm taking nothing away from his achievements but it's like nothing pre-him matters and for me the 'ancient' history of the club is as important if not more so than the recent club history :box:

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Can understand frustrations but after close to 50 years support, I can promise Wenger has provided best results and most entertaining football.

Worth looking at specific complaints in turn:

Have not won since 2004. Arsenal does not have god-given right to win League - not many have. We should have won on two occasions and threw it away - once it seemed over Ramsay's legbreak. You can complain about Gallas' mental frailty.

The Defence. Reality is that Gabriel has not cut it. Mustafi looked good until injured and has not come back to same level. However, Bellerin, Koscielny and Monreal are in top few defences in Premiership. Real problem is holding midfield - I remember a similar discussion early on leading to Petit and Vieira.

Holding Midfield. Simple fact is that Arsenal are much better when Cazorla plays - he's injured. Coquelin works as a side kick to him but is not the main man, ditto Elneny. Again Xhaka has not cut it. Worse still I suspect the purchase of Xhaka prevented signature of Kante who has all the signs of a Makalele (NB for those who don't remember Makalele was not considered a galactico in Real Madrid and was sold to Chelsea - RM form collapsed and Chelsea were transformed). In other words an expensive purchase, which many seem to demand, stopped the one key transfer we needed. BTW How would other top teams do if they lost their key player

Ozil. I don't know if stats support this but Ozil always looks best when being supplied by either Cazorla or Ramsey. his skill is to turn those clever passes into magic. No clever feeds no magic. Back to above problem. NB Wenger's genius was to get Cazorla to play deeper so both played well on same pitch - somethign successive English managers failed to do with Gerrard and Lampard

Backbone. Not sure why Wenger is blamed except perhaps for not buying the sort of players who do have grit. But he did - Sanchez.

Attack. Last few years everyone bitched about our strikers and Giroud in particular. Now evidently they are fine, and complaints come because Giroud is not playing?!

Bottom line you should not have a heart attack over one appalling result - and nor should you be ecstatic over one great result. Of cours eI am disappointed - but I am not sure where Wenger is to blame unless its because he can't grip the dressing room. If that's true there is a problem but is it true.

MUFC have looked pretty poor until this season. I never did like those trips abroad so perhaps that won't matter ...

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SteveO 35 wrote:The bloke has no intention of moving on and the board have no intention of moving him on

Remember this is the bloke who has seen 8-2 defeats come and go, and lost 6-0 in his 1000th match in charge. Losing 5-1 to Bayern will hardly stop him with his never ending socialist project will it ?
Completely agree. He decides when he leaves. It is so depressing. What potential this club has to be an absolute giant in the game, yet they hold themselves back.

I found myself remembering the sausages and caviar quote from back in 1998 I think. So how long have we been eating sausages for? :lol:

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Africa wrote:Can understand frustrations but after close to 50 years support, I can promise Wenger has provided best results and most entertaining football.

Worth looking at specific complaints in turn:

Have not won since 2004. Arsenal does not have god-given right to win League - not many have. We should have won on two occasions and threw it away - once it seemed over Ramsay's legbreak. You can complain about Gallas' mental frailty.

The Defence. Reality is that Gabriel has not cut it. Mustafi looked good until injured and has not come back to same level. However, Bellerin, Koscielny and Monreal are in top few defences in Premiership. Real problem is holding midfield - I remember a similar discussion early on leading to Petit and Vieira.

Holding Midfield. Simple fact is that Arsenal are much better when Cazorla plays - he's injured. Coquelin works as a side kick to him but is not the main man, ditto Elneny. Again Xhaka has not cut it. Worse still I suspect the purchase of Xhaka prevented signature of Kante who has all the signs of a Makalele (NB for those who don't remember Makalele was not considered a galactico in Real Madrid and was sold to Chelsea - RM form collapsed and Chelsea were transformed). In other words an expensive purchase, which many seem to demand, stopped the one key transfer we needed. BTW How would other top teams do if they lost their key player

Ozil. I don't know if stats support this but Ozil always looks best when being supplied by either Cazorla or Ramsey. his skill is to turn those clever passes into magic. No clever feeds no magic. Back to above problem. NB Wenger's genius was to get Cazorla to play deeper so both played well on same pitch - somethign successive English managers failed to do with Gerrard and Lampard

Backbone. Not sure why Wenger is blamed except perhaps for not buying the sort of players who do have grit. But he did - Sanchez.

Attack. Last few years everyone bitched about our strikers and Giroud in particular. Now evidently they are fine, and complaints come because Giroud is not playing?!

Bottom line you should not have a heart attack over one appalling result - and nor should you be ecstatic over one great result. Of cours eI am disappointed - but I am not sure where Wenger is to blame unless its because he can't grip the dressing room. If that's true there is a problem but is it true.

MUFC have looked pretty poor until this season. I never did like those trips abroad so perhaps that won't matter ...
The point is though as many have said it is not just one result in one season, it is many many exceedingly poort results over many many seasons, look at the stats for the knockout stage of the CL for the last 7 years, and then throw in the league results.

Also AW is the manager, it is his job to get the best out of his players and also to ensure we buy the right players, again successively he has left us wanting in key areas of the pitch.

I understand the need to defend the manager by some but you have to be as objective as those who want to see change, you can't praise him for his good points and ignore his many mistakes just as we cannot ignore the good times we have had under him but you have to be objective and AW is just not able to cut it at the highest level in so many areas, tactics, player management, purchasing & scouting, in match flexibility, substitutions to name but a few, there are many more.
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Africa wrote:Can understand frustrations but after close to 50 years support, I can promise Wenger has provided best results and most entertaining football......
Stopped reading after the first para, as Wenger has provided the worst results and also the shittiest, boring, sideways crap football I've ever had the misfortune to endure.

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I'm sick of hearing people who are Wenger out, but at the same time, come out with lines like, "He deserves more respect". Yesterday was the perfect opportunity for him to apologize to the fans for that shit show on Wednesday night, but instead, he pissed on our record in Europe pre 1996, and tried to claim that any anger against him, is based on the result on one game. This is also leaving aside, the many other disrespectful things that he has said in the last few years. Respect is a two way street, and he has zero problem in showing none to fans, whenever they question him. Can we also put to the bed the idea that he is this lovely guy, who is misguided in managing the club. He is a prick with an unbelievable level of arrogance, that is delusional and unearned. He doesn't deserve respect, he deserves abuse, and nothing else.

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BFG4 wrote:I'm sick of hearing people who are Wenger out, but at the same time, come out with lines like, "He deserves more respect". Yesterday was the perfect opportunity for him to apologize to the fans for that shit show on Wednesday night, but instead, he pissed on our record in Europe pre 1996, and tried to claim that any anger against him, is based on the result on one game. This is also leaving aside, the many other disrespectful things that he has said in the last few years. Respect is a two way street, and he has zero problem in showing none to fans, whenever they question him. Can we also put to the bed the idea that he is this lovely guy, who is misguided in managing the club. He is a prick with an unbelievable level of arrogance, that is delusional and unearned. He doesn't deserve respect, he deserves abuse, and nothing else.

despise the arrogant prick....

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BFG4 wrote:I'm sick of hearing people who are Wenger out, but at the same time, come out with lines like, "He deserves more respect". Yesterday was the perfect opportunity for him to apologize to the fans for that shit show on Wednesday night, but instead, he pissed on our record in Europe pre 1996, and tried to claim that any anger against him, is based on the result on one game. This is also leaving aside, the many other disrespectful things that he has said in the last few years. Respect is a two way street, and he has zero problem in showing none to fans, whenever they question him. Can we also put to the bed the idea that he is this lovely guy, who is misguided in managing the club. He is a prick with an unbelievable level of arrogance, that is delusional and unearned. He doesn't deserve respect, he deserves abuse, and nothing else.
Something I picked up on was he didn't once call us Arsenal F.C, it was only "this club", I think he is still bitter that his notion to rebrand us Arsene F.C
Was Rejected.

Oh by the way when did the in Arsene we rust banner make its first appearance ?

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http://arsenalaction.com/wp-content/upl ... 2280_n.jpg

Found this going back to 2011.

Split was 50/ 50 in the vote back then apparently.

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The bugger has the devil's own luck: having drawn Sutton he will probably get Lincoln at home in the qusrter-final, which will put him within range of another glorious FA Cup.

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BFG4 wrote:I'm sick of hearing people who are Wenger out, but at the same time, come out with lines like, "He deserves more respect". Yesterday was the perfect opportunity for him to apologize to the fans for that shit show on Wednesday night, but instead, he pissed on our record in Europe pre 1996, and tried to claim that any anger against him, is based on the result on one game. This is also leaving aside, the many other disrespectful things that he has said in the last few years. Respect is a two way street, and he has zero problem in showing none to fans, whenever they question him. Can we also put to the bed the idea that he is this lovely guy, who is misguided in managing the club. He is a prick with an unbelievable level of arrogance, that is delusional and unearned. He doesn't deserve respect, he deserves abuse, and nothing else.
Agree typical Wenger take all the plaudits of the past and spin the the reality of where we have been treading water the last so many seasons.

The man is more suited to economics and would make a good politician.The amount of BS and arrogance that he displays knows no boundaries.

He is a charlatan and is living on past glories of over a decade ago.He should of gone years ago and keeps talking about the other offers he has received arrogantly like the minions that follow the club should be grateful.

He has had far too much control for years.I don't feel sorry for him at all a busted flush living in the past.

He talked about leaving the club in safe hands,delusional he actually think the club will fall apart without him. :censored:

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Massimiliano Allegri: 4/1
Thomas Tuchel: 6/1
Eddie Howe: 6/1
Patrick Vieira: 9/1
Diego Simeone: 12/1
Joachim Loew: 16/1
Ralph Hasenhuttl: 18/1
Rafael Benitez: 18/1
Luis Enrique: 18/1
Dennis Bergkamp: 20/1

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/ ... no-9842799

Luis Enrique is a surprising one. I think he'll be off this summer so if Wenger goes, he might look our way.

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BFG4 wrote:I'm sick of hearing people who are Wenger out, but at the same time, come out with lines like, "He deserves more respect". Yesterday was the perfect opportunity for him to apologize to the fans for that shit show on Wednesday night, but instead, he pissed on our record in Europe pre 1996, and tried to claim that any anger against him, is based on the result on one game. This is also leaving aside, the many other disrespectful things that he has said in the last few years. Respect is a two way street, and he has zero problem in showing none to fans, whenever they question him. Can we also put to the bed the idea that he is this lovely guy, who is misguided in managing the club. He is a prick with an unbelievable level of arrogance, that is delusional and unearned. He doesn't deserve respect, he deserves abuse, and nothing else.
Agree with every word of that, very well said mate.

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Clash wrote:
BFG4 wrote:I'm sick of hearing people who are Wenger out, but at the same time, come out with lines like, "He deserves more respect". Yesterday was the perfect opportunity for him to apologize to the fans for that shit show on Wednesday night, but instead, he pissed on our record in Europe pre 1996, and tried to claim that any anger against him, is based on the result on one game. This is also leaving aside, the many other disrespectful things that he has said in the last few years. Respect is a two way street, and he has zero problem in showing none to fans, whenever they question him. Can we also put to the bed the idea that he is this lovely guy, who is misguided in managing the club. He is a prick with an unbelievable level of arrogance, that is delusional and unearned. He doesn't deserve respect, he deserves abuse, and nothing else.
Agree with every word of that, very well said mate.
Just another example in a long line of insults and sneering at our supporters and history.
It really was a perfect opportunity for him to show some humility. To show himself in a better light. He really would have got sympathy and credit from the media and of-course the AKB's.

But he's so fucking detached he just ploughed right through our rich history and treated us the supporters with contempt yet again.
He's his own worst enemy fs. He's not a fit person to hold the Arsenal managers job. He'a self serving snake

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Topside Northbank wrote:
BFG4 wrote:I'm sick of hearing people who are Wenger out, but at the same time, come out with lines like, "He deserves more respect". Yesterday was the perfect opportunity for him to apologize to the fans for that shit show on Wednesday night, but instead, he pissed on our record in Europe pre 1996, and tried to claim that any anger against him, is based on the result on one game. This is also leaving aside, the many other disrespectful things that he has said in the last few years. Respect is a two way street, and he has zero problem in showing none to fans, whenever they question him. Can we also put to the bed the idea that he is this lovely guy, who is misguided in managing the club. He is a prick with an unbelievable level of arrogance, that is delusional and unearned. He doesn't deserve respect, he deserves abuse, and nothing else.
Agree typical Wenger take all the plaudits of the past and spin the the reality of where we have been treading water the last so many seasons.

The man is more suited to economics and would make a good politician.The amount of BS and arrogance that he displays knows no boundaries.

He is a charlatan and is living on past glories of over a decade ago.He should of gone years ago and keeps talking about the other offers he has received arrogantly like the minions that follow the club should be grateful.

He has had far too much control for years.I don't feel sorry for him at all a busted flush living in the past.

He talked about leaving the club in safe hands,delusional he actually think the club will fall apart without him. :censored:
Yet another myth which needs to stop getting peddled that he is somehow this great economist. He really isn't. He's wasted an obscene amount of the club's resources.

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