THE WENGER THREAD

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Offside wrote:Chief window-licker Tony on Untold (the home of proper statistical, rational and logical analysis) has spun out a whole article based on body language (the sort of thing they criticised the media for doing :roll: ) to say that Sanchez is "flawed" and we should get rid. It's amazing how far they'll go to protect the Dear Leader's reputation. :lol:
I think Untold Arsenal is the last sanctuary for the Wenger believers to hide in. Even there it is now noticeable for the amount of comments on their pseudo intellectual articles saying it is time for him to go.

The whole Sanchez situation sums up the manager and the whole club. The one world class player with a winning mentality we have who isn't prepared to accept second best and it looks like he is on his way and the club is not doing a lot to persuade him otherwise. The whole thing is a shambles from top to bottom. Absolutely fucking pathetic.

Wenger will never leave of his own accord. The board will not sack him, it could get to Clough proportions at Forest and I am not convinced he would leave.

So fucked off with the whole club, it has been mostly apathy recently but then and again something like this Sanchez thing happens and it makes you so fucking mad.

Good luck with this protest on Tuesday, I pray it gets the recognition it deserves.

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Hello to everybody on here. I've been reading the forum since around 2009/10 and registered in 2011, but have resisted the urge to post, simply because I can't afford the time to get that involved and I fear that once I start, I'll risk becoming a regular ! I've been a supporter of the Arsenal from earliest memory, zero choice, because it's a family thing, so indoctrinated from birth by my Dad and older brother ! First game was a 3-0 home win against Forest in 1967 (yep, no spring chicken I'm afraid). Season ticket holder since Highbury days, but have rented it out for the last three years, vowing not to return until the French Fraud has gone....so I don't expect to set foot in the place for at least another two or three years. I really hope I'm wrong and he goes at the end of our current groundhog season, but I just can't see it. I struggle with the fact that I rent my ticket out, because I have a lot of sympathy with the view that only by stopping giving the thieving bastards money (because I am, of course, still doing that, indirectly or otherwise) will we force change and see Wenger and then Slippery Stan out of the Club.

Suffice to say that this forum is the only aspect of being a Gooner that I now derive any pleasure from. I started to doubt Wenger as early as 2005/6 and I still maintain that the demise began with the shipping out of Vieira in Summer 2005. For me, that signaled the beginning of Wenger's lunacy and was the key position and player that we have never come remotely close to replacing. While we failed to replace the quality of Bergkamp, Henry, Pires, Campbell etc, the loss of the colossus that was Paddy, proved to be the removal of the keystone that led to the collapse of everything. By 2007, I was screaming for Wenger to go, including a couple of calls to Talksport, one of which was well received (Stan Collymore and Danny Kelly), the other where the presenters (Jason Cundy....yeah, I know...and someone else) thought I'd lost the plot. Spent years arguing with fellow Gooners about the Wenger out issue (it often became quite nasty), but only in the last couple of years have more and more people seen the light. My sanity isn't questioned anymore.

Lest I be accused of posting a vanity entry (and DB10 starts to "bully" me like he did the new guy a couple of weeks ago :) ), I'll spare you all my heartfelt grievances, because you've all said it a million times and this place has probably saved my sanity. I've come to despise not only the manager, but the whole Club and like many have said on here, I'll never forgive the regime for driving me to that. Non football people simply can't understand how a feeling for a football club runs so deep, as to become a very part of your being, your identity, who you are. To be driven to the point where wins mean nothing, losses don't sting and, to be honest, you are wanting the team to lose in the vain hope of forcing change, is truly horrible. As I've said, non footballing people would make accusations of melodrama, or even stupidity, but unless one has the emotional and psychological tie to a club, it's beyond understanding.

I've decided to post, because for the first time ever, I sense that Wenger is on the ropes. Sure, the Club will get the PR machine humming, the propaganda will flow and they'll call in plenty of favours from their friends in the media, but I have a distinct sense that the die might be caste. I fully expect him to renew his contract, but it will be met with far less joy amongst the fanbase and this gradual, terminal decline won't be arrested. No matter what Wenger does, or tries to do now, pulling out of this tailspin is way beyond his capabilities. If it's another two years, as suggested, then it will be two years of hell for the club. The end is in sight, even if some way off. Of course, it may be that I'm as delusional as the Old Fraud !! :D

Apologies for the essay, but as I feared, once I started, I couldn't stop. Anyway, don't worry, there's lots more. :D :D

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Hey welcome Piers, you will fit in well. Hows the Good morning Britain slot going :barscarf:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFo1eyWbTtc

WENGER! You LYING Piece Of SHYTE! :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

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Theoperator wrote:Hey welcome Piers, you will fit in well. Hows the Good morning Britain slot going :barscarf:
I'm assuming that I must be "Piers"......damn, unmasked so quickly ! :D
Don't worry, I don't have Piers' history of "flip-flopping"....staunchly Wenger out for minimum 10 years.

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rodders999 wrote:Yeah Arsene-licker blog has said on a few occasions that it's now time for the manager to go but every time there's an opportunity to deflect the blame elsewhere he's all over it. Last week it was Kroenke, this week it's Sanchez, next week it will be all the boogie man's fault I presume :roll:
The boogie man ? Is Eboue coming back ? :barscarf:

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Retro Gunner wrote:Hello to everybody on here. I've been reading the forum since around 2009/10 and registered in 2011, but have resisted the urge to post, simply because I can't afford the time to get that involved and I fear that once I start, I'll risk becoming a regular ! I've been a supporter of the Arsenal from earliest memory, zero choice, because it's a family thing, so indoctrinated from birth by my Dad and older brother ! First game was a 3-0 home win against Forest in 1967 (yep, no spring chicken I'm afraid). Season ticket holder since Highbury days, but have rented it out for the last three years, vowing not to return until the French Fraud has gone....so I don't expect to set foot in the place for at least another two or three years. I really hope I'm wrong and he goes at the end of our current groundhog season, but I just can't see it. I struggle with the fact that I rent my ticket out, because I have a lot of sympathy with the view that only by stopping giving the thieving bastards money (because I am, of course, still doing that, indirectly or otherwise) will we force change and see Wenger and then Slippery Stan out of the Club.

Suffice to say that this forum is the only aspect of being a Gooner that I now derive any pleasure from. I started to doubt Wenger as early as 2005/6 and I still maintain that the demise began with the shipping out of Vieira in Summer 2005. For me, that signaled the beginning of Wenger's lunacy and was the key position and player that we have never come remotely close to replacing. While we failed to replace the quality of Bergkamp, Henry, Pires, Campbell etc, the loss of the colossus that was Paddy, proved to be the removal of the keystone that led to the collapse of everything. By 2007, I was screaming for Wenger to go, including a couple of calls to Talksport, one of which was well received (Stan Collymore and Danny Kelly), the other where the presenters (Jason Cundy....yeah, I know...and someone else) thought I'd lost the plot. Spent years arguing with fellow Gooners about the Wenger out issue (it often became quite nasty), but only in the last couple of years have more and more people seen the light. My sanity isn't questioned anymore.

Lest I be accused of posting a vanity entry (and DB10 starts to "bully" me like he did the new guy a couple of weeks ago :) ), I'll spare you all my heartfelt grievances, because you've all said it a million times and this place has probably saved my sanity. I've come to despise not only the manager, but the whole Club and like many have said on here, I'll never forgive the regime for driving me to that. Non football people simply can't understand how a feeling for a football club runs so deep, as to become a very part of your being, your identity, who you are. To be driven to the point where wins mean nothing, losses don't sting and, to be honest, you are wanting the team to lose in the vain hope of forcing change, is truly horrible. As I've said, non footballing people would make accusations of melodrama, or even stupidity, but unless one has the emotional and psychological tie to a club, it's beyond understanding.

I've decided to post, because for the first time ever, I sense that Wenger is on the ropes. Sure, the Club will get the PR machine humming, the propaganda will flow and they'll call in plenty of favours from their friends in the media, but I have a distinct sense that the die might be caste. I fully expect him to renew his contract, but it will be met with far less joy amongst the fanbase and this gradual, terminal decline won't be arrested. No matter what Wenger does, or tries to do now, pulling out of this tailspin is way beyond his capabilities. If it's another two years, as suggested, then it will be two years of hell for the club. The end is in sight, even if some way off. Of course, it may be that I'm as delusional as the Old Fraud !! :D

Apologies for the essay, but as I feared, once I started, I couldn't stop. Anyway, don't worry, there's lots more. :D :D
No need to apologise, Retro. Thank you for a fantastic, heartfelt contribution. We are clearly of a similar vintage: my first game was in March 1966, a 0-0 draw against a Blackpool team including Alan Ball. Don Howe broke his leg trying to forage forward from full-back, which virtually ended his career. Oh and they were burning bonfires on the North Bank and chanting "Wright must go" in protest at an under-performing manager. And go he did, in May. They appointed some bloke called Bertie Mee who didn't do too badly. Be careful what you wish for.

Anyway, enough of the nostalgia-fest, you have encapsulated my sentiments, especially the section in bold. That Wenger and Kronke have got us to this point is why even when the manager announces his departure I will not support any lasting tribute to his admittedly fine early achievements. He has been rewarded in spades through years of undeserved salary when he should have gone.

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Retro Gunner wrote:Hello to everybody on here. I've been reading the forum since around 2009/10 and registered in 2011, but have resisted the urge to post, simply because I can't afford the time to get that involved and I fear that once I start, I'll risk becoming a regular ! I've been a supporter of the Arsenal from earliest memory, zero choice, because it's a family thing, so indoctrinated from birth by my Dad and older brother ! First game was a 3-0 home win against Forest in 1967 (yep, no spring chicken I'm afraid). Season ticket holder since Highbury days, but have rented it out for the last three years, vowing not to return until the French Fraud has gone....so I don't expect to set foot in the place for at least another two or three years. I really hope I'm wrong and he goes at the end of our current groundhog season, but I just can't see it. I struggle with the fact that I rent my ticket out, because I have a lot of sympathy with the view that only by stopping giving the thieving bastards money (because I am, of course, still doing that, indirectly or otherwise) will we force change and see Wenger and then Slippery Stan out of the Club.

Suffice to say that this forum is the only aspect of being a Gooner that I now derive any pleasure from. I started to doubt Wenger as early as 2005/6 and I still maintain that the demise began with the shipping out of Vieira in Summer 2005. For me, that signaled the beginning of Wenger's lunacy and was the key position and player that we have never come remotely close to replacing. While we failed to replace the quality of Bergkamp, Henry, Pires, Campbell etc, the loss of the colossus that was Paddy, proved to be the removal of the keystone that led to the collapse of everything. By 2007, I was screaming for Wenger to go, including a couple of calls to Talksport, one of which was well received (Stan Collymore and Danny Kelly), the other where the presenters (Jason Cundy....yeah, I know...and someone else) thought I'd lost the plot. Spent years arguing with fellow Gooners about the Wenger out issue (it often became quite nasty), but only in the last couple of years have more and more people seen the light. My sanity isn't questioned anymore.

Lest I be accused of posting a vanity entry (and DB10 starts to "bully" me like he did the new guy a couple of weeks ago :) ), I'll spare you all my heartfelt grievances, because you've all said it a million times and this place has probably saved my sanity. I've come to despise not only the manager, but the whole Club and like many have said on here, I'll never forgive the regime for driving me to that. Non football people simply can't understand how a feeling for a football club runs so deep, as to become a very part of your being, your identity, who you are. To be driven to the point where wins mean nothing, losses don't sting and, to be honest, you are wanting the team to lose in the vain hope of forcing change, is truly horrible. As I've said, non footballing people would make accusations of melodrama, or even stupidity, but unless one has the emotional and psychological tie to a club, it's beyond understanding.

I've decided to post, because for the first time ever, I sense that Wenger is on the ropes. Sure, the Club will get the PR machine humming, the propaganda will flow and they'll call in plenty of favours from their friends in the media, but I have a distinct sense that the die might be caste. I fully expect him to renew his contract, but it will be met with far less joy amongst the fanbase and this gradual, terminal decline won't be arrested. No matter what Wenger does, or tries to do now, pulling out of this tailspin is way beyond his capabilities. If it's another two years, as suggested, then it will be two years of hell for the club. The end is in sight, even if some way off. Of course, it may be that I'm as delusional as the Old Fraud !! :D

Apologies for the essay, but as I feared, once I started, I couldn't stop. Anyway, don't worry, there's lots more. :D :D
Welcome on-board the good ship Gooner forum.

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It speaks volumes that we are now closer to Stoke than Chelsea in terms of points :banghead:

Wenger Out - No new contract

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The Old Fraud has 86 days to go on his current undeserved £23K per day contract :barscarf:

Here's hoping that tomorrow contributes to making it his last 8)

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Built this club? You actually destroyed it. You turned us into a bunch of mentally weak pussies with no spirit and fight. Before you came we were already a successful club and had just won the title in the most dramatic fashion witnessed in English football history, as well as won a European Cup competition (something you could never achieve) under our previous manager whom incidentally, won the league title, the FA Cup and the League Cup to boot during his reign, you fucking arrogant, egotistical old *word censored*. Get the fuck out of our club now.

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1989 wrote:Built this club? You actually destroyed it. You turned us into a bunch of mentally weak pussies with no spirit and fight. Before you came we were already a successful club and had just won the title in the most dramatic fashion witnessed in English football history, as well as won a European Cup competition (something you could never achieve) under our previous manager whom incidentally, won the league title, the FA Cup and the League Cup to boot during his reign, you fucking arrogant, egotistical old *word censored*. Get the fuck out of our club now.
Well said mate, agree with every fucking word.

Many will scoff but Wenger HAS destroyed the club. And that is the worst thing anyone could have done. Its why I cannot understand how anyone can still respect him.

As for Graham ... yeah he won all 3 domestic trophies and a European one ... and he almost did the same as an Arsenal player (2 league cup final defeats prevented it). Graham also collected Arsenal memorabilia and immersed himself in the clubs history. In contrast, Wenger's few mentions of the club before he came always seem to have a derogatory tone to them. He really does seem to think he did more for us than we did for him.

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Wenger came to Arsenal in 1996 ... 65 years after our first title win in 1931.

If we minus the seven missing seasons that were postponed for WWII, it means we won 10 league titles in the 58 seasons that we took part in between our first title and Wenger's arrival. So we can roughly say 1 title every 6 seasons.

At the of this season Wenger will have won 3 titles in 21 seasons. 1 title every 7 seasons.

Maybe I am manipulating figures a bit here ... but even so, Wenger's achievements are hardly what I would describe as the ''transformation'' that he is so often credited with.

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George Graham

87 - 4th place and League Cup winners
88 - 6th place League Cup runners up
89 - League Champions
90 - 4th place
91 - League Champions
92 - 4th place
93 - 10th place and League cup and FA Cup winners (cup double)
94 - 4th place and European Cup winners Cup (the clubs only European trophy)
95 - 12th place and no trophies, which was manly as a result of Grahams dodgy side dealings which distracted the team and engulfed his time at the club.

Won a trophy 5 out of 9 years (although a bit disingenuous to count the last year which was engulfed by scandal). So its more like, won a trophy 5 years out of 8. Graham won 6 trophies all up

Whilst Wenger has won 9 trophies in 21 years, and has won trophies in only 7 of 21 years - 14 trophy less seasons. Graham only had 3 trophy less seasons. Yet Wenger thinks he built the club, even though there are managers before him, that have better records in terms of ratio's and statistics.

I really would like to see us fans talk more about George Graham and Herbert Chapman a lot more. Because the Wenger cult of personality has pretty much meant, many forget we had a truly fantastic manager like Graham. For instance, so many talk about the 'beautiful football' we play under Wenger, and how Wenger brought us out of Graham era - as if thats a good thing. Arsenal were famous for defensive strengh, so much so we made pop culture for our famed defensive prowess (the Full Monty reference of the offside trap). Yet Wenger has coached that out of the club, to the point we are associated with poor and soft defending.

So Wenger wants to talk about legacy. Ok, lets talk about how he destroyed the famed legacy of Arsenal being a defensive powerhouse, and turned us into a punchline for shit defending.

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Wilson wrote:George Graham

87 - 4th place and League Cup winners
88 - 6th place League Cup runners up
89 - League Champions
90 - 4th place
91 - League Champions
92 - 4th place
93 - 10th place and League cup and FA Cup winners (cup double)
94 - 4th place and European Cup winners Cup (the clubs only European trophy)
95 - 12th place and no trophies, which was manly as a result of Grahams dodgy side dealings which distracted the team and engulfed his time at the club.

Won a trophy 5 out of 9 years (although a bit disingenuous to count the last year which was engulfed by scandal). So its more like, won a trophy 5 years out of 8. Graham won 6 trophies all up

Whilst Wenger has won 9 trophies in 21 years, and has won trophies in only 7 of 21 years - 14 trophy less seasons. Graham only had 3 trophy less seasons. Yet Wenger thinks he built the club, even though there are managers before him, that have better records in terms of ratio's and statistics.

I really would like to see us fans talk more about George Graham and Herbert Chapman a lot more. Because the Wenger cult of personality has pretty much meant, many forget we had a truly fantastic manager like Graham. For instance, so many talk about the 'beautiful football' we play under Wenger, and how Wenger brought us out of Graham era - as if thats a good thing. Arsenal were famous for defensive strengh, so much so we made pop culture for our famed defensive prowess (the Full Monty reference of the offside trap). Yet Wenger has coached that out of the club, to the point we are associated with poor and soft defending.

So Wenger wants to talk about legacy. Ok, lets talk about how he destroyed the famed legacy of Arsenal being a defensive powerhouse, and turned us into a punchline for shit defending.
Plus many forget that , George's 86-92 vs did play a lot of exciting football too, the other one I got from twitter, was that Wenger gave us the stadium, when I point out the real driving force was fitszman , he slams me for quoting 'random shit' some idiots haven't got a clue

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