THE WENGER THREAD

[shu]

Still for him here.

Been reading lots of forum and blogs over last few days and have to say that my stance is stronger than it was and I truly believe that both extremes of the debate are something like self perpetuating cancers that will never be cured. There is a middle ground but none so blind as those that can't see I guess.

There's vitriol from both sides toward each other if one cares to search for it; both 'sides' seem to see themselves as the 'reality' and the 'other side' as the 'deluded'. The online community is but a glimpse of a skewed sample I think.

But hey, that's what t'internet's for ain't it?

Out of interest what team do you support ?

[VoiceOfReason]

In the 17 years that AW has been at the club, we've won three league titles.

In the 17 years before AW joined the club, we won two league titles.

Okay, it's an improvement, but does that record entitle him to a criticism-free role at the club?

One of the often-used responses (by non-Arsenal fans) to the 'Wenger Out' fans is that we were never the best club in the country and don't have a divine right to be winning the league every year.

Well, let me put it like this: we won the league in the 50s, 70s, 80s, 90s and 00s - pretty consistent, in my opinion. Yet, there's no chance in hell that we'll be winning it in the 10s.

[augie]

Still for him here.

Been reading lots of forum and blogs over last few days and have to say that my stance is stronger than it was and I truly believe that both extremes of the debate are something like self perpetuating cancers that will never be cured. There is a middle ground but none so blind as those that can't see I guess.

There's vitriol from both sides toward each other if one cares to search for it; both 'sides' seem to see themselves as the 'reality' and the 'other side' as the 'deluded'. The online community is but a glimpse of a skewed sample I think.

But hey, that's what t'internet's for ain't it?

Out of interest what team do you support ?

Dont waste your time asking

[flash gunner]

Still for him here.

Been reading lots of forum and blogs over last few days and have to say that my stance is stronger than it was and I truly believe that both extremes of the debate are something like self perpetuating cancers that will never be cured. There is a middle ground but none so blind as those that can't see I guess.

There's vitriol from both sides toward each other if one cares to search for it; both 'sides' seem to see themselves as the 'reality' and the 'other side' as the 'deluded'. The online community is but a glimpse of a skewed sample I think.

But hey, that's what t'internet's for ain't it?

Out of interest what team do you support ?

Arsene FC?

[Steve_I]

The Problem is that, because I don't believe he should go, folk seem to automatically assume I am what is referred to as an AKB... whilst people fail to acknowledge that there is a middle ground, my arguments will be useless.

[northbank123]

The Problem is that, because I don't believe he should go, folk seem to automatically assume I am what is referred to as an AKB... whilst people fail to acknowledge that there is a middle ground, my arguments will be useless.

I do understand your frustrations but I think at this point there is a clear divide into two camps. You can say I want him to stay provided that or because of this but at the end of the day if you want him to stay after nearly 8 years of no trophies and regression it probably is based on your view that Arsene Knows Best.

Most of the people saying give him a year etc will probably say the same when we're in the same position in a year's time.

[armchair]

AKB's dont like the term so I prefer to call them Wenger supporters.

To me there is no difference but there ya go.

[Steve_I]

The Problem is that, because I don't believe he should go, folk seem to automatically assume I am what is referred to as an AKB... whilst people fail to acknowledge that there is a middle ground, my arguments will be useless.

I do understand your frustrations but I think at this point there is a clear divide into two camps. You can say I want him to stay provided that or because of this but at the end of the day if you want him to stay after nearly 8 years of no trophies and regression it probably is based on your view that Arsene Knows Best.

Most of the people saying give him a year etc will probably say the same when we're in the same position in a year's time.

I guess I understand your view and to that end will have to accept I'm an AKB.

But hey, AKB and Proud is my new motto if that's what folk want to believe then I'll embrace it even tho' it is possible not to feel he always knows best but still think he should stay.

[Steve_I]

AKB's dont like the term so I prefer to call them Wenger supporters.

To me there is no difference but there ya go.

I don't mind the term at all per se, I just don't believe it is necessarily accurate and whether an AKB or Wenger Supporter in the eyes of others is perhaps irrelevent to me; it's just that the term was used (imo) in derogatory fashion on occasion, almost like an insult might be used, and it seems only because fellow Arsenal Fans don't agree with a particular set of views.


As I said above, from here on in 'AKB and Proud' afaic

[g88ner]

AKB's dont like the term so I prefer to call them Wenger supporters.

To me there is no difference but there ya go.

I don't mind the term at all per se...

Speaking of which, I bloody hate the term "per se"... it reminds me of Robin Per Se

[QuartzGooner]

AKB's dont like the term so I prefer to call them Wenger supporters.

To me there is no difference but there ya go.

I don't mind the term at all per se...

Speaking of which, I bloody hate the term "per se"... it reminds me of Robin Per Se

Didn't Per Se used to post on here?

[g88ner]

AKB's dont like the term so I prefer to call them Wenger supporters.

To me there is no difference but there ya go.

I don't mind the term at all per se...

Speaking of which, I bloody hate the term "per se"... it reminds me of Robin Per Se

Didn't Per Se used to post on here?

Yup, Per se Dalton.

[augie]

And was always good craic on here was percy - he was another one of those on here that gave this place the feel of a few lads having a debate and a bit of banter down the pub Wasnt much of a midfielder for Gooner FC (he actually covered more ground lying down than he did running ) but I still miss his presence (and that of a few others) on here

[Chippy]

To be honest I always preferred Gus (when vaguely sober) and Wayno when high!

[Herd]

I dont like the term per se ,especially from Americans who never studied latin and frequently use it incorrectly .

I used to be classed as an AKB ,my argument was that Wenger had done very well on a shoestring budget imposed by the board and that he operated under incredible duress that was not of his making but that of a parsimonious board.

In light of his own statements in the last few months it would appear that he has been more than complicit in this activity and has deliberately run down the talent pool whilst stockpiling cash for no apparent reason.

Worse and again by his own admission he is responsible for overpaying the massive stockpile of deadwood in the club leading to complacent sluggishness which has seeped into the very marrow of the club and it's players,a massive wage bill and a block on buying and selling players on the market due to our players inflated salaries.

Lastly his lack of tactical nous has led to failure against too many shit sides we face and utter humiliation at the hands of others ,but he steadfastly refuses to adapt to modern football.

My position has changed because of the words of the prof himself admitting and in some cases boasting that these catastrophic blunders are his !

Getting rid of him may not solve the problem as there is a paucity of managing talent in the world let alone the UK ...............but it might be a good start !