THE WENGER THREAD

[flash gunner]

One big difference between Brian Clough and Wenger = Brian Clough won the European Cup. Twice!!

Wenger's had more than 20 goes and still not won it. I reckon he could have 20 more goes and still not get close.

After 20 years we are further away now than we have ever been

[northbank123]

Clough also didn't have the money protecting him. Once things started to go wrong, Forest had nothing to fall back on and returned to the mediocre Midlands club that they were.

Despite not challenging for a league title for 13 seasons and barely making a mark in Europe in two decades, the commercial deals, gate revenues and CL cash cow mean that we are still able to outspend would-be competitors for the traditional European places like Southampton, Everton and Spurs by between 75-200% on wages every season.

[Sean]

Page 1993. The year we did the domestic cup double



Have you ever won the League Cup, Arsene?

[Ziegler1988]

Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger has warned fans about being brainwashed by snap judgements following results, as speculation continues over his future.
"I managed about 2,000 games -- I might know a little something about the game as well."
"I can't guarantee we will win all the games. We're in the semifinal of the FA Cup. How many times have we been? You have to accept nothing is good enough, you have to live with that.
http://www.espnfc.us/arsenal/story/3081 ... k-is-right

Not sure if I can handle another two years of this bloke

[augie]

Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger has warned fans about being brainwashed by snap judgements following results, as speculation continues over his future.
"I managed about 2,000 games -- I might know a little something about the game as well."
"I can't guarantee we will win all the games. We're in the semifinal of the FA Cup. How many times have we been? You have to accept nothing is good enough, you have to live with that.
http://www.espnfc.us/arsenal/story/3081 ... k-is-right

Not sure if I can handle another two years of this bloke

The guys on sunday supplement yesterday morning referred to wenker's suggestion that the rebellion is based on the last two months results, but they more or less laughed at that notion and pointed out that this shit has been going on for the past 5 or 6 years

[DB10GOONER]

Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger has warned fans about being brainwashed by snap judgements following results, as speculation continues over his future.
"I managed about 2,000 games -- I might know a little something about the game as well."
"I can't guarantee we will win all the games. We're in the semifinal of the FA Cup. How many times have we been? You have to accept nothing is good enough, you have to live with that.
http://www.espnfc.us/arsenal/story/3081 ... k-is-right

Not sure if I can handle another two years of this bloke

This is the shit that drives me insane. The implication that the protest is a knee-jerk reaction to a couple of bad results, rather than the 10 - 13 years of repeated failure, the same mistakes every transfer window, the same collapse every season, and no one being held accountable for those mistakes. No, we are protesting because of two bad CL results ffs.

[meh]

This pathetic quote from the old fool should spur thousands of UK based Gooners to march and protest. He is taking the complete piss out of us.

[sk-gtfo]

Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger has warned fans about being brainwashed by snap judgements following results, as speculation continues over his future.
"I managed about 2,000 games -- I might know a little something about the game as well."
"I can't guarantee we will win all the games. We're in the semifinal of the FA Cup. How many times have we been? You have to accept nothing is good enough, you have to live with that.
http://www.espnfc.us/arsenal/story/3081 ... k-is-right

Not sure if I can handle another two years of this bloke

This is the shit that drives me insane. The implication that the protest is a knee-jerk reaction to a couple of bad results, rather than the 10 - 13 years of repeated failure, the same mistakes every transfer window, the same collapse every season, and no one being held accountable for those mistakes. No, we are protesting because of two bad CL results ffs.

Stupid fans, they should be banned from watching my great exploits, play behind closed doors. #WengerThink

No idea why anyone would waste their money and time to watch this charlatan try to pretend finishing 4th is the be all and end all of the universe, Wenger must despise the new PL TV money coming in, after all it waters down the financial gain of the 4th place trophy, shame..

[JimmyAFC]

The guy has completely and utterly gone senile and lost the plot.

A fucking embarrassment to himself on every level.

I found Wenger's address on the white pages...might have to visit the c***.

[xisstential]

Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger has warned fans about being brainwashed by snap judgements following results, as speculation continues over his future.
"I managed about 2,000 games -- I might know a little something about the game as well."
"I can't guarantee we will win all the games. We're in the semifinal of the FA Cup. How many times have we been? You have to accept nothing is good enough, you have to live with that.
http://www.espnfc.us/arsenal/story/3081 ... k-is-right

Not sure if I can handle another two years of this bloke

This is the shit that drives me insane. The implication that the protest is a knee-jerk reaction to a couple of bad results, rather than the 10 - 13 years of repeated failure, the same mistakes every transfer window, the same collapse every season, and no one being held accountable for those mistakes. No, we are protesting because of two bad CL results ffs.

EXACTLY!! Yesterday the media were talking about him turning our season around before signing the new deal.Basically, once we are back in Top 4 the season has been "turned around". That's the benchmark, that is what he has brainwashed thousands of people, including the players, into believing. He is an arrogant, devious, self serving charlatan, with his disdainful attitude and his clever use of spinning results and apportioning blame. Awful man!!.

[DB10GOONER]

Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger has warned fans about being brainwashed by snap judgements following results, as speculation continues over his future.
"I managed about 2,000 games -- I might know a little something about the game as well."
"I can't guarantee we will win all the games. We're in the semifinal of the FA Cup. How many times have we been? You have to accept nothing is good enough, you have to live with that.
http://www.espnfc.us/arsenal/story/3081 ... k-is-right

Not sure if I can handle another two years of this bloke

This is the shit that drives me insane. The implication that the protest is a knee-jerk reaction to a couple of bad results, rather than the 10 - 13 years of repeated failure, the same mistakes every transfer window, the same collapse every season, and no one being held accountable for those mistakes. No, we are protesting because of two bad CL results ffs.

EXACTLY!! Yesterday the media were talking about him turning our season around before signing the new deal.Basically, once we are back in Top 4 the season has been "turned around". That's the benchmark, that is what he has brainwashed thousands of people, including the players, into believing. He is an arrogant, devious, self serving charlatan, with his disdainful attitude and his clever use of spinning results and apportioning blame. Awful man!!.

Absolutely. Also, what boils my piss is why is that an acceptable benchmark for us in the eyes of the media and pundits? Why is it ok for Arsenal to aspire to nothing higher than a Top 4 finish but not acceptable for manure, citeh or the chavs?

The media and pundits all played a part (to varying degrees) in hounding Moyes and Beavis-Features out at manure, Hiddink out at the chav and are sharpening the knives already for Pep at citeh and Moron-hio at manure. Why are their fans not considered fickle when they want a manager gone after a year or two, but we Arsenal fans are fickle ungrateful bastards because we want Wenger out after over a decade of failure?

I fucking hate the football media.

[sk-gtfo]

Absolutely. Also, what boils my piss is why is that an acceptable benchmark for us in the eyes of the media and pundits? Why is it ok for Arsenal to aspire to nothing higher than a Top 4 finish but not acceptable for manure, citeh or the chavs?

The media and pundits all played a part (to varying degrees) in hounding Moyes and Beavis-Features out at manure, Hiddink out at the chav and are sharpening the knives already for Pep at citeh and Moron-hio at manure. Why are their fans not considered fickle when they want a manager gone after a year or two, but we Arsenal fans are fickle ungrateful bastards because we want Wenger out after over a decade of failure?

I fucking hate the football media.

Well you know what they will say - they are mega money teams, how are poor old Arsenal supposed to compete?.

We have money of course and do you know what, maybe I'm completely wrong here but I look at things differently to a lot of fans who worship AW for keeping us 4th, it was and is the board's choice not to invest any of their money into the club, where is it written in stone that they cannot do this?, Kroenke certainly is wealthy enough to but chooses not to.

Wenger is culpable in this attitude because he has played along as the company man, I think it suits him and he is very reluctant to spend because he knows he will be judged more harshy if he's not seen to be working against the tide and buying at Lidl's when his rivals shop at Waitrose.

I think Perez is a good example here, clearly Wenger didn't want him but his hand was forced and now he does his best not to play him and shoehorn Iwobi and Walcott into the side instead, after all he 'developed' them.

Infact I think if Stan Kroenke and AW swapped places I think we would pretty much be exactly where we are now (no joke!, are they ever seen in the same place together?.

[NickF]

Well you know what they will say - they are mega money teams, how are poor old Arsenal supposed to compete?.

We have money of course and do you know what, maybe I'm completely wrong here but I look at things differently to a lot of fans who worship AW for keeping us 4th, it was and is the board's choice not to invest any of their money into the club, where is it written in stone that they cannot do this?, Kroenke certainly is wealthy enough to but chooses not to.

Wenger is culpable in this attitude because he has played along as the company man, I think it suits him and he is very reluctant to spend because he knows he will be judged more harshy if he's not seen to be working against the tide and buying at Lidl's when his rivals shop at Waitrose.

I think Perez is a good example here, clearly Wenger didn't want him but his hand was forced and now he does his best not to play him and shoehorn Iwobi and Walcott into the side instead, after all he 'developed' them.

Infact I think if Stan Kroenke and AW swapped places I think we would pretty much be exactly where we are now (no joke!, are they ever seen in the same place together?.

Guess it depends what you mean by "invest any of their money". If you mean Kroenke should be paying for everything out of his own pocket then does that make us any better than City or Chelsea? If that is the route you think we should go down then fine but I would struggle with that idea.

The club itself generates huge amounts of money which our the economic genius in charge wastes by buying and overpaying substandard players.

[Topside Northbank]

Well you know what they will say - they are mega money teams, how are poor old Arsenal supposed to compete?.

We have money of course and do you know what, maybe I'm completely wrong here but I look at things differently to a lot of fans who worship AW for keeping us 4th, it was and is the board's choice not to invest any of their money into the club, where is it written in stone that they cannot do this?, Kroenke certainly is wealthy enough to but chooses not to.

Wenger is culpable in this attitude because he has played along as the company man, I think it suits him and he is very reluctant to spend because he knows he will be judged more harshy if he's not seen to be working against the tide and buying at Lidl's when his rivals shop at Waitrose.

I think Perez is a good example here, clearly Wenger didn't want him but his hand was forced and now he does his best not to play him and shoehorn Iwobi and Walcott into the side instead, after all he 'developed' them.

Infact I think if Stan Kroenke and AW swapped places I think we would pretty much be exactly where we are now (no joke!, are they ever seen in the same place together?.

Guess it depends what you mean by "invest any of their money". If you mean Kroenke should be paying for everything out of his own pocket then does that make us any better than City or Chelsea? If that is the route you think we should go down then fine but I would struggle with that idea.

The club itself generates huge amounts of money which our the economic genius in charge wastes by buying and overpaying substandard players.

Kroenke has never invested one dollar in any of his teams it is documented quoted here and other sources.The USA system of drafting players and salary caps which for example the NHL team he owns the Av's went from winning a Stanley Cup to going back to being one of the worst teams.They never hit their salary cap ie there is always space for better players.

Arsenal is a good investment for him and he knows it.He will not invest in the team to make more money it is a concept that is totally against how his teams are run.He loves Wenger because he makes a profit season in and out and the share price goes ever higher.Hence the club becomes of more value.We are just a piece of his sports portfolio,nothing more nothing less.

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/footbal ... ommentsDiv

[sk-gtfo]

Kroenke has never invested one dollar in any of his teams it is documented quoted here and other sources.The USA system of drafting players and salary caps which for example the NHL team he owns the Av's went from winning a Stanley Cup to going back to being one of the worst teams.They never hit their salary cap ie there is always space for better players.

Arsenal is a good investment for him and he knows it.He will not invest in the team to make more money it is a concept that is totally against how his teams are run.He loves Wenger because he makes a profit season in and out and the share price goes ever higher.Hence the club becomes of more value.We are just a piece of his sports portfolio,nothing more nothing less.

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/footbal ... ommentsDiv

Indeed but it worries me that a lot of gooners seem to just accept that, I think when Wenger is gone we'll see the real Kroenke and that is not necessarily a good thing, don't get me wrong I want Wenger gone I just don't think him going is going to solve all our problems, it's just a first step.

Getting a Simeone or Allegri will go some way to appeasing me but I do wonder if we have the board/owner that will do enough to convince the really high profile managers to sign for us, can't wait for Wenger to leave so we can find out.