THE WENGER THREAD

[Bob Bayliss]

Haha: Nostradamus!

[northbank123]

Does anyone think that Arsenal would have beaten Sevilla over two legs? I'm 100% sure we would have not.

Not a chance. They aren't the best side in Europe but in terms of European calibre and ability to win knockout ties they're up there with anyone given they've won the Europa League theee times in a row and five times in 12 years.

Exactly the sort of side who would comfortably better us over two legs with too much organisation for us to create much and enough coming forward to cause us problems.

They pulled Liverpool's pants down in last year's final and despite being welll below par today they should still have coasted past Leicester with the number of chances they spurned in the first game especially, not to mention two missed pens.

[falkirk goon]

Does anyone think that Arsenal would have beaten Sevilla over two legs? I'm 100% sure we would have not.

Sevilla have won the last 3 Europa leagues they were unbeaten in a knock out tie over 2 legs since 2011
They would have brownholed our bunch of pampered pussyholes over 2legs.

[GranadaJoe]

It's being reported that AW's bestest pal, Boro Primoric, has accepted a manager's job in Turkey.

Is it a sign?

Can we dare to hope?

[GoonerMuzz]

As others on here say, it's the hope that kills Joe, go have a large shot of something

[Clash]

It's being reported that AW's bestest pal, Boro Primoric, has accepted a manager's job in Turkey.

Is it a sign?

Can we dare to hope?

I'd love it to be a sign Wenger is fucking off .... but it's probably more likely that Wenger will take over his role so he becomes the manager and 1st team coach

[Wilson]

Reports saying the club is looking for a football director. If true, it does indicate a planning procedure for life without Wenger. Although, a director of football should have been installed years ago, as well as an actual CEO, not some hack like Gazidis. I so often hear how Wenger does so much and works so hard - managing the team, negotiating transfer fees and contracts, managing the clubs finance, scouting players, even having a say in the design in the training ground and stadium when they were built.

People try to spin this as a positive thing - we should be grateful for the large amount of work Wenger does. But tell me, which modern day club, or organization has one individual incorporate so much responsibility and control? Wenger's additional work load is one of the reasons he has turned sh.. Gone are the days of Wenger managing the team, and David Dein taking care of the administrative off the field matters. Once Dein left, Wenger incorporated his responsibility as Gazidis is nothing more than a lamp post.

Most clubs have a manager, director of football, and an executive who makes things happen. Or, simply a manager and an executive who work closely together. Ferguson knew this, and had a great relationship with David Gill. However for us, Wenger is all three. And thats why he is so powerful and hard to get rid of, because he has centralized the running of the club to himself, and himself alone. Its not in the best interests of the club, however, it gives Wenger the control and power he desperately craves.

[sk-gtfo]

Reports saying the club is looking for a football director. If true, it does indicate a planning procedure for life without Wenger. Although, a director of football should have been installed years ago, as well as an actual CEO, not some hack like Gazidis. I so often hear how Wenger does so much and works so hard - managing the team, negotiating transfer fees and contracts, managing the clubs finance, scouting players, even having a say in the design in the training ground and stadium when they were built.

People try to spin this as a positive thing - we should be grateful for the large amount of work Wenger does. But tell me, which modern day club, or organization has one individual incorporate so much responsibility and control? Wenger's additional work load is one of the reasons he has turned sh.. Gone are the days of Wenger managing the team, and David Dein taking care of the administrative off the field matters. Once Dein left, Wenger incorporated his responsibility as Gazidis is nothing more than a lamp post.

Most clubs have a manager, director of football, and an executive who makes things happen. Or, simply a manager and an executive who work closely together. Ferguson knew this, and had a great relationship with David Gill. However for us, Wenger is all three. And thats why he is so powerful and hard to get rid of, because he has centralized the running of the club to himself, and himself alone. Its not in the best interests of the club, however, it gives Wenger the control and power he desperately craves.

Sorry to go off topic again but this is where the board have to take the blame again, I'm not absolving Wenger but he is a different issue, quite frankly they are naive about football, why is no structure in place already?, Gazidis infamously spouted that line about competing with Bayern Munich a few years ago (bet he wished he'd kept his mouth shut now), but at no point did he or that ahole Kroenke look at how top modern football clubs are run, well I am guessing here but their actions would certainly suggest they didn't, after all why did they leave it all to the hapless Wenger?.

Naive board. Naive manager. Naive club.

Don't worry though Chips Keswick has it all in hand.

[Wilson]

Spot on. Yet the media talk about how we are a 'well run club'. They go on about the 'self-sustaining' model as if its something to be proud of. The model is simple though, the club rake money in, yet are hesitant to spend in order to really kick on. Other clubs spend money, yet I dont see any going bankrupt. There is a difference being being sensible and fuking tight.

And lets be honest, the club biggest cash cow is gate revenue. Highest ticket prices in Europe ensuring we generate as much match day revenue as Real Madrid. Yet or commercial deals are always below that of our rivals, and we never seem to flog shit players for big money. Chelsea got 60m for Oscar, yet you just know we will roll over and lose Sanchez and Ozil for less than we paid. We sold Henry on the cheap. Cesc was 23 with 5 years left on his contract, and sold for 35m. Song was one of our first team players, and was sold for 15m. 25m for RVP was cheap. So in terms of bringing money into the club. The fans DO ALL THE WORK!!! Its match day revenue that makes this a cash rich club, as we sure as fuk dont get it from commercial deals or making the most of sales in the transfer market. And yet we are constantly told how good we have it, and how thankful we should be to our manager and board. No one ever points out how thankful Wenger and the board should be to us fans, given its match day revenue that makes Arsenal a rich club.

Bring season tickets into line with what other fans pay, and this club would slide very far down Deloitte's revenue league.

[Blade]

Stop going to the stadium.

Stop giving these billionaires and their little 'play thing' your hard earned money.

[Bradywasking]

Wenger hammered on Twitter last night about Leicester going through at first attempt and all that..Except one mong who declared that Leicester got more luck in two game than Arsenal gt in twenty years...others saying that it is pathetic of WOBs using the achievement of another Club as a stick to beat Arsenal with.

[Herd]

It's being reported that AW's bestest pal, Boro Primoric, has accepted a manager's job in Turkey.

Is it a sign?

Can we dare to hope?

I thought their restaurants were family run affairs. ??

[Babu]

as Gazidis is nothing more than a lamp post.

Ivan Gazidis, what the fuck do you do?

[Clash]

Wenger hammered on Twitter last night about Leicester going through at first attempt and all that..Except one mong who declared that Leicester got more luck in two game than Arsenal gt in twenty years...others saying that it is pathetic of WOBs using the achievement of another Club as a stick to beat Arsenal with.

Whereas I bet it was okay with them for Wenger to use the lack of achievements of the other clubs to defend his own record with that ''not the worst English team in the CL'' thing

[DB10GOONER]

He also categorically states that:

Bergkamp remains eternally grateful to the man (Rioch) who “nursed, cajoled, and eased me into what was a different style of football, and made my family feel so welcome in England. He talked me through the different approach needed to be successful in England.” That's a direct quote from the man himself, long after the event. He has no reason or need to kowtow to a former manager with little standing in the game today.

However insignificant Rioch was in the grand scheme of things, I am prepared to give him a measure of credit for Bergkamp's start at Arsenal. For anyone to say he deserves zero credit is bloody ridiculous.

That wasn't the original discussion though was it? The original discussion was whether Wenger had any hand in the Bergkamp signing.

Also, I note you categorically left out this quite pertinent statement from Rioch;

Although Rioch later insisted that “Dennis would have found his feet eventually whoever the manager was,” To give an extremely limited manager like Rioch credit for basically doing the bare minimum requirement of his job, and by association implying that he was somehow responsible for Bergkamp succeeding or failing at Arsenal, is bloody ridiculous... It should also be mentioned we only saw the best of Bergkamp AFTER we got shot of Rioch and brought in Wenger. Coincidence?