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piresistible
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I understand Le Boss’ preference to stand in the path & protect the players. It’s admirable, and in a sense he’s correct in that everyone has ups & downs. But with some of the players it’s not one or two bad games. It’s down to a serious lack of effort in some distinct instances, and that is what has fans upset, I think. Not to single out Ade personally, but we are talking about him here…the two matches against United weren’t “downâ€
3 things to blame for arsenals poor season:
1) Fabregas: am a big fan of cesc and he definately is th most talented nd gifted player we got BUT he is not a captain, he is not a leader!he is always among th first players to give up when things go down bad. on th contrary, Toure is a leader, never gives up and his age difference with th younger players makes him more appropriate captain.
2) Poor defence: th foundation of a succesful team is built on a solid defence tht leaves th midfield nd forward players to worry more about getting goals upfront.we got one of th most shaky defences in the EPL and like half of th goals conceded can entirely blamed on freakishly uncapable defense
3) Mode of play: everyone saw how Barca vs. Chelsea games went both home and away.Barca is arguably th best team in spain and you’ll agree tht th way they play their passing football is so so similar to arsenals passing game. Barca struggled with chelsea nd may as well have lost th CL semis coz as much as they passed th ball around, tht way of playing can easily be defended by a smart opponent (all an opponent got to do is pack th defense with 7 players nd leave 3 players hanging in front waiting for counter-attack chances) and chelsea, man u, liverpool nd other small teams are smart enough to know this. small teams like hull have been able to squeeze th life out of our game nd it won’t end this season. wat wenger needs is to have options in his way of play. remember henry’s days? especially th unbeaten season? it was counter-attacks and no passing around bullshit was evident.
bottom line: it is not adebayor, it is wat wenger tells his boys to play. sorry 4 th long comment
1) Fabregas: am a big fan of cesc and he definately is th most talented nd gifted player we got BUT he is not a captain, he is not a leader!he is always among th first players to give up when things go down bad. on th contrary, Toure is a leader, never gives up and his age difference with th younger players makes him more appropriate captain.
2) Poor defence: th foundation of a succesful team is built on a solid defence tht leaves th midfield nd forward players to worry more about getting goals upfront.we got one of th most shaky defences in the EPL and like half of th goals conceded can entirely blamed on freakishly uncapable defense
3) Mode of play: everyone saw how Barca vs. Chelsea games went both home and away.Barca is arguably th best team in spain and you’ll agree tht th way they play their passing football is so so similar to arsenals passing game. Barca struggled with chelsea nd may as well have lost th CL semis coz as much as they passed th ball around, tht way of playing can easily be defended by a smart opponent (all an opponent got to do is pack th defense with 7 players nd leave 3 players hanging in front waiting for counter-attack chances) and chelsea, man u, liverpool nd other small teams are smart enough to know this. small teams like hull have been able to squeeze th life out of our game nd it won’t end this season. wat wenger needs is to have options in his way of play. remember henry’s days? especially th unbeaten season? it was counter-attacks and no passing around bullshit was evident.
bottom line: it is not adebayor, it is wat wenger tells his boys to play. sorry 4 th long comment
I also forgot to say that wenger has no problem with negativity when it is in his team selection and tactics 
I mean does he not think that these negative selections that he is employing do not transfer to the fans and add to the ait of frustration being felt amongst us ? Does he not think the fact that the manager hasnt enough confidence in his players to take on our rivals toe to toe with our 4-4-2 system tells the fans that we aint good enough and if so does he think that we should all just pay our money and accept that indefinately ? Bollox to that arsene - if you want the fans to be more positive then send your team out more positively
I mean does he not think that these negative selections that he is employing do not transfer to the fans and add to the ait of frustration being felt amongst us ? Does he not think the fact that the manager hasnt enough confidence in his players to take on our rivals toe to toe with our 4-4-2 system tells the fans that we aint good enough and if so does he think that we should all just pay our money and accept that indefinately ? Bollox to that arsene - if you want the fans to be more positive then send your team out more positively
I've been to every home game this season in the league (apart from 2 when I was out of the country and one when I had to attend a wedding), and if you don't recognise that the attitude of some of the supporters affects the players negatively I don't know what to say.
At times (January and February) the players were scared to play the ball forward because they were scared of the reaction they would get from the fans. And no, the groaning and shouting "you useless *word censored*" or similar abuse didn't start after 10 bad passes by a player, but after one or two. And that was long before any "negative tactics" were deployed by Wenger. And even if we did play with only one striker we still went forward and tried to play our game, so those tactics weren't negative as such.
Do you ever wonder why Bendtner (for instance) scores the majority of his goals away from home? If you're being booed before you've even entered the pitch it won't fill you with confidence. We've scored 27 goals at home and 37 away from home this season, that's hardly normal and hardly a coincidence.
He is absolutely spot on with his assessment of our home support. Should he have said it after going out in two semi-finals and finishing the league 4th? Probably not, but it's still true and I don't see why the manager shouldn't be allowed to talk about it in general.
Fans are allowed to voice their opinion, I have nothing against that at all. But at the end of the day you're going to the stadium to support you're team and not to make things more difficult for them. Or at least I would hope so. The amount of money you pay for the pleasure of going there has nothing whatsoever to do with that. If you don't want to support the team stay home and shout at the tele. It's better for everyone.
At times (January and February) the players were scared to play the ball forward because they were scared of the reaction they would get from the fans. And no, the groaning and shouting "you useless *word censored*" or similar abuse didn't start after 10 bad passes by a player, but after one or two. And that was long before any "negative tactics" were deployed by Wenger. And even if we did play with only one striker we still went forward and tried to play our game, so those tactics weren't negative as such.
Do you ever wonder why Bendtner (for instance) scores the majority of his goals away from home? If you're being booed before you've even entered the pitch it won't fill you with confidence. We've scored 27 goals at home and 37 away from home this season, that's hardly normal and hardly a coincidence.
He is absolutely spot on with his assessment of our home support. Should he have said it after going out in two semi-finals and finishing the league 4th? Probably not, but it's still true and I don't see why the manager shouldn't be allowed to talk about it in general.
Fans are allowed to voice their opinion, I have nothing against that at all. But at the end of the day you're going to the stadium to support you're team and not to make things more difficult for them. Or at least I would hope so. The amount of money you pay for the pleasure of going there has nothing whatsoever to do with that. If you don't want to support the team stay home and shout at the tele. It's better for everyone.
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DB10GOONER
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Not having a pop here or taking the piss but can I ask how old you are, mate? You strike me as a (for want of a better word) "younger fan" - maybe early 20's or so?hadareud wrote:I've been to every home game this season in the league (apart from 2 when I was out of the country and one when I had to attend a wedding), and if you don't recognise that the attitude of some of the supporters affects the players negatively I don't know what to say.
At times (January and February) the players were scared to play the ball forward because they were scared of the reaction they would get from the fans. And no, the groaning and shouting "you useless c**t" or similar abuse didn't start after 10 bad passes by a player, but after one or two. And that was long before any "negative tactics" were deployed by Wenger. And even if we did play with only one striker we still went forward and tried to play our game, so those tactics weren't negative as such.
Do you ever wonder why Bendtner (for instance) scores the majority of his goals away from home? If you're being booed before you've even entered the pitch it won't fill you with confidence. We've scored 27 goals at home and 37 away from home this season, that's hardly normal and hardly a coincidence.
He is absolutely spot on with his assessment of our home support. Should he have said it after going out in two semi-finals and finishing the league 4th? Probably not, but it's still true and I don't see why the manager shouldn't be allowed to talk about it in general.
Fans are allowed to voice their opinion, I have nothing against that at all. But at the end of the day you're going to the stadium to support you're team and not to make things more difficult for them. Or at least I would hope so. The amount of money you pay for the pleasure of going there has nothing whatsoever to do with that. If you don't want to support the team stay home and shout at the tele. It's better for everyone.
I say this not to be sarcastic or to patronise you but I just find it interesting that it seems alot of our so called "younger" fans are so uptight about people letting the players know how they feel. I started going to games in the late 80's early 90's on a very regular basis and you wouldn't believe the ammount of abuse regularly hurled at players from their own fans in those days. Honestly it was incredible. Apparently the 1970's was even worse! You cannot say that those people did not love their team. The shit we had to sit through sometimes was shocking.
I suppose it was a diferent era and it's possible that the majority of people abusing the players nowdays are "older" fans that recall those days and feel they have a right to do so...
I'd be interested to know if it is a generation thing...
I'm starting to think it may aslo be a cult of personality thing... Maybe in days gone by (with less superstars and less 15 minute celebrities) support, respect and loyalty was more about the club and nowdays it can tend to be about the player a bit too much...
Just a couple of theories...
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franksav63
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Your right DB10 in the 70's the abuse was alot worse, I loved Rixy and even if he was having a bit of mare he used to run his knackers off, but the crowdd was constantly on his back and never saw this aspect to his game...DB10GOONER wrote:Not having a pop here or taking the piss but can I ask how old you are, mate? You strike me as a (for want of a better word) "younger fan" - maybe early 20's or so?hadareud wrote:I've been to every home game this season in the league (apart from 2 when I was out of the country and one when I had to attend a wedding), and if you don't recognise that the attitude of some of the supporters affects the players negatively I don't know what to say.
At times (January and February) the players were scared to play the ball forward because they were scared of the reaction they would get from the fans. And no, the groaning and shouting "you useless c**t" or similar abuse didn't start after 10 bad passes by a player, but after one or two. And that was long before any "negative tactics" were deployed by Wenger. And even if we did play with only one striker we still went forward and tried to play our game, so those tactics weren't negative as such.
Do you ever wonder why Bendtner (for instance) scores the majority of his goals away from home? If you're being booed before you've even entered the pitch it won't fill you with confidence. We've scored 27 goals at home and 37 away from home this season, that's hardly normal and hardly a coincidence.
He is absolutely spot on with his assessment of our home support. Should he have said it after going out in two semi-finals and finishing the league 4th? Probably not, but it's still true and I don't see why the manager shouldn't be allowed to talk about it in general.
Fans are allowed to voice their opinion, I have nothing against that at all. But at the end of the day you're going to the stadium to support you're team and not to make things more difficult for them. Or at least I would hope so. The amount of money you pay for the pleasure of going there has nothing whatsoever to do with that. If you don't want to support the team stay home and shout at the tele. It's better for everyone.
I say this not to be sarcastic or to patronise you but I just find it interesting that it seems alot of our so called "younger" fans are so uptight about people letting the players know how they feel. I started going to games in the late 80's early 90's on a very regular basis and you wouldn't believe the ammount of abuse regularly hurled at players from their own fans in those days. Honestly it was incredible. Apparently the 1970's was even worse! You cannot say that those people did not love their team. The shit we had to sit through sometimes was shocking.
I suppose it was a diferent era and it's possible that the majority of people abusing the players nowdays are "older" fans that recall those days and feel they have a right to do so...
I'd be interested to know if it is a generation thing...
I'm starting to think it may aslo be a cult of personality thing... Maybe in days gone by (with less superstars and less 15 minute celebrities) support, respect and loyalty was more about the club and nowdays it can tend to be about the player a bit too much...
Just a couple of theories...
I'm 29.
In my opinion respecting and supporting the club also means respecting and supporting the players on the pitch during the game. What you do our say afterwards is up to you.
It's not about not letting the players know how you feel, everyone can do that. But after 15 minutes? Before a player comes on? What the fuck is that about?
It's not like supporters of other clubs haven't noticed this either btw. I've had to take a lot of shit this season for the booing incidents and for our stadium being empty after 89 minutes. That's not something that's occurred on a few occasions when we've played poorly, it happens at 9 out of 10 games.
In my opinion respecting and supporting the club also means respecting and supporting the players on the pitch during the game. What you do our say afterwards is up to you.
It's not about not letting the players know how you feel, everyone can do that. But after 15 minutes? Before a player comes on? What the fuck is that about?
It's not like supporters of other clubs haven't noticed this either btw. I've had to take a lot of shit this season for the booing incidents and for our stadium being empty after 89 minutes. That's not something that's occurred on a few occasions when we've played poorly, it happens at 9 out of 10 games.
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JMascis666
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This is Wenger who last week said 'the fans were really up for the semi against man u and we let them down'. Make your mind up Arsene!
Yes the fans can be negative but its a catch 22 - I've watched some of the worst football at arsenal this year since the mid-nineties and mostly what upset me was lack of effort. There's a reason Clichy, Fab, Walcott and certain others dont feel the wrath of the fans and thats because they generally look like they care and try. Diaby, Adebayor, Bendtner (though he's improved but seemingly cant be bothered to do his kecks up), Eboue...look like they couldnt give a shit half the time.
And not just in his selection of players but Arsenal FC as a whole have to take responsibility for the atmosphere at Ashburton. Does Wenger know how much we pay to be told off by stewards and threatened with being chucked out? The away fans are generally louder wherever you go because they can stand, because they arent going to get dobbed in by a texting service and because there isnt tourists sat with them taking photos all game and asking why Henry isnt playing. And as someone said, it wouldnt hurt the players to acknowledge the fans a lot more home and away.Those who say money shouldnt mater because of what spurs fans pay are deluded - it matters a lot right now (Wenger the economist should know) because it isnt being invested in the club except to fuel the lavish lifestyles of unproved mediocre kids so they can buy their diamonds and pink boots and monochromed car seats while I spend £67 to watch arsenal draw 0-0 with west ham.
The difference at Arsenal is that we criticise the players first and wenger gets away with it. At other grounds the manager is usually the first to cop it. Witness the Eboue booing when really the problem was wengers decision to play an unfit player on the left wing. The worshipping of Wenger means that his players get the flack he should be facing.
Whoever said Toure doesnt give up must have missed him giving up on a ball that went to corner against chelsea. He has been captain for most of this season and was largely ineffectual. This team has no leadership whatsoever. Can anyone imagine any of these players shouting at the others and getting them pumped up for the game the way adams, keown or vieira would have done? No, they walk into the ground with their earphones on and their windows blacked out and then shout about how they want to leabe when we dont win all the time.
Wenger's defense of Adebayor is tiring too - regardless of what he is like on the pitch, only last week he said he talks regularly with Milan who are like 'Beyonce' and that losing Flamini and Hleb has set arsenal backwards. Just who are you defending Wenger because these players certainly dont have your back? And dont get me started on his defense of Sylvestre...
I really hope the 1-2 year thing is a misquote because his own players he loves so dearly are crying out for change and stalling over contracts becuase of his experiment.
Rant over
Yes the fans can be negative but its a catch 22 - I've watched some of the worst football at arsenal this year since the mid-nineties and mostly what upset me was lack of effort. There's a reason Clichy, Fab, Walcott and certain others dont feel the wrath of the fans and thats because they generally look like they care and try. Diaby, Adebayor, Bendtner (though he's improved but seemingly cant be bothered to do his kecks up), Eboue...look like they couldnt give a shit half the time.
And not just in his selection of players but Arsenal FC as a whole have to take responsibility for the atmosphere at Ashburton. Does Wenger know how much we pay to be told off by stewards and threatened with being chucked out? The away fans are generally louder wherever you go because they can stand, because they arent going to get dobbed in by a texting service and because there isnt tourists sat with them taking photos all game and asking why Henry isnt playing. And as someone said, it wouldnt hurt the players to acknowledge the fans a lot more home and away.Those who say money shouldnt mater because of what spurs fans pay are deluded - it matters a lot right now (Wenger the economist should know) because it isnt being invested in the club except to fuel the lavish lifestyles of unproved mediocre kids so they can buy their diamonds and pink boots and monochromed car seats while I spend £67 to watch arsenal draw 0-0 with west ham.
The difference at Arsenal is that we criticise the players first and wenger gets away with it. At other grounds the manager is usually the first to cop it. Witness the Eboue booing when really the problem was wengers decision to play an unfit player on the left wing. The worshipping of Wenger means that his players get the flack he should be facing.
Whoever said Toure doesnt give up must have missed him giving up on a ball that went to corner against chelsea. He has been captain for most of this season and was largely ineffectual. This team has no leadership whatsoever. Can anyone imagine any of these players shouting at the others and getting them pumped up for the game the way adams, keown or vieira would have done? No, they walk into the ground with their earphones on and their windows blacked out and then shout about how they want to leabe when we dont win all the time.
Wenger's defense of Adebayor is tiring too - regardless of what he is like on the pitch, only last week he said he talks regularly with Milan who are like 'Beyonce' and that losing Flamini and Hleb has set arsenal backwards. Just who are you defending Wenger because these players certainly dont have your back? And dont get me started on his defense of Sylvestre...
I really hope the 1-2 year thing is a misquote because his own players he loves so dearly are crying out for change and stalling over contracts becuase of his experiment.
Rant over
DB10GOONER wrote:I think you are missing the point a bit, mate. Most (accepted, not all but most) people are asking why our ST's are so dear and yet it appears none of that money is being re-invested in better quality players and strengthening a weak squad. A legit question to my mind. Not many people would be actually saying that high ST's should entitle them to trophies...Red Carpet wrote:Its ridiculous comments like this that make me want to hand my season ticket back in as I am ashamed to be associated with them!.n7gooner wrote:
He says judge the team in 2 years does that mean he believes this team cannot win anything untill 2 years time (2010/2011 season) if so why does he expect fans to pay the highest prices in the country with no reward?
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When you pay for your season ticket you are not BUYING silverware, you are making a choice to support your football team.
Will people stop using the price of their season ticket as a stick to beat the manager with !!!.
Anyone got any mates that support Spurs or West Ham ?? ... ask them how much they pay a season.
Listening to comments on this board on occasions sadly reminds me of children moaning at having been denied sweets.
That was the point I was trying to make I don't think the price of tickets entitles you to silverware but when you pay a high price then you expect to see something from that and what I ment was investment in the team.
If you look at spurs they have used the money from season tickets and have invested that back into the team even if all their players are shit.
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Top 4 next season.....n7gooner wrote:DB10GOONER wrote:I think you are missing the point a bit, mate. Most (accepted, not all but most) people are asking why our ST's are so dear and yet it appears none of that money is being re-invested in better quality players and strengthening a weak squad. A legit question to my mind. Not many people would be actually saying that high ST's should entitle them to trophies...Red Carpet wrote:Its ridiculous comments like this that make me want to hand my season ticket back in as I am ashamed to be associated with them!.n7gooner wrote:
He says judge the team in 2 years does that mean he believes this team cannot win anything untill 2 years time (2010/2011 season) if so why does he expect fans to pay the highest prices in the country with no reward?
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When you pay for your season ticket you are not BUYING silverware, you are making a choice to support your football team.
Will people stop using the price of their season ticket as a stick to beat the manager with !!!.
Anyone got any mates that support Spurs or West Ham ?? ... ask them how much they pay a season.
Listening to comments on this board on occasions sadly reminds me of children moaning at having been denied sweets.
That was the point I was trying to make I don't think the price of tickets entitles you to silverware but when you pay a high price then you expect to see something from that and what I ment was investment in the team.
If you look at spurs they have used the money from season tickets and have invested that back into the team even if all their players are shit.
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franksav63
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I think we need to get a row going on down in Slough between those Rose Tinters and The Realists.franksav63 wrote:A Town called Malice....Chippy wrote:And a hundred lonely housewives clutching milk bottles to their hearts.
Hanging out their old love letters on the line to dry.
Has Wenger got it right or has Wenger got it wrong?
As Harry Hill would say:
There's only one way to find out......
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